Prime Minister : Fined Once /"benefits-to-bricks" pledge

[Zizu]

Well that may make things look all rosy in your eyes for him.
However to those who've lost a loved one or in fact loved ones due to this government's policy and procrastination for a good period of the pandemic.

To them things going seemingly better now, although there's still an average of around 700 people losing their lives each week yet.
However to them, they shouldn't and I hope they don't forget or forgive this creep of a PM nor his hopeless health secretarys and overall Cabinet too.
For the unnecessary losses of their loved ones.

He may succeed in fooling some, he'll never fool those still grieving from the devastation of losing their loved ones before their time.


You really think there would have been far fewer deaths with Starmer in charge ?

Do you also think that Labour would have developed and funded such a wonderfully successful vaccine program ?

I’m not so sure


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[arista]

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[bots]

i will certainly watch question time later today, it should be interesting

[bots]

Teressa May was seen reacting to Boris's dilemma earlier

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[joeysteele]

You really think there would have been far fewer deaths with Starmer in charge ?

Do you also think that Labour would have developed and funded such a wonderfully successful vaccine program ?

I’m not so sure


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You just have an agenda against Labour in my view.
It wouldn't have been Starmer as PM anyhow as Corbyn was leader in 2019.

You equally too cannot say there wouldn't have been less fatalities under Labour.
No one can know that unless they were in.

However what I do believe as a Labour party member myself and you can dismiss it all you wish to.

I know as a member that we'd have expected any government in this pandemic to speak as one voice with all the other 3 Nations of the UK.
Plus to work with other parties to ensure the maximum of everything was done to save people and ensure staff and patients were protected to the full.

Not create the care home disgrace this government allowed to take place.
Or the PPE chaos.

So actually I'd say deaths would have been possibly high still however we wouldn't I think in my view, be the Country with the 7th highest number of deaths.
Where 6 of the Nation's above us have over double our population at least.
Plus I really feel with better protection actioned immediately, far less unnecessary deaths would have resulted under Labour.
Not have an estimated over 20,000 unnecessary losses of loved ones under this Con government.

You may think that's good record, I certainly don't.

However keep bashing Labour all you wish to.
Blame the opposition who aren't in power and credit the disastrous government which is.
However you CANNOT factually say deaths would have been the same or worse under a Labour PM.
As they've been under this PM and government, and still rising in total now by around 700 weekly.

[bots]

Everyone knows what Boris is like. He has been a piece of work for years. The Tony Blair government was corrupt as hell, but this one led by Boris is on an entirely new level.

Like many, i dont care about working lunches etc, but i do draw the line at an organised party when the country was going through its worse crisis since the 2nd world war.


I think the time is right for Boris to move on.

[user104658]

We obviously can’t know for sure although to be quite honest, my overall feeling is that the “general picture” would be more or less the same no matter who was in power. I think the numbers etc. have more to do with other factors and governments frankly have very little control when it comes to Covid - other than ensuring that people are aware to try to be safe (whether or not they actually do it is down to the population) and rolling out vaccines and treatments effectively (the reason we did that quickly is because we have disproportionate economic power to our population size).

Where I do think some lives could have been saved - mostly non-Covid deaths - is if the Tories hadn’t been in power for the decade BEFORE Covid, stripping the health service to bare bones for political ideology/personal gain.

If the NHS had been in better condition, it wouldn’t have had to effectively shut down every other service it offers for Covid.

[user104658]

Everyone knows what Boris is like. He has been a piece of work for years. The Tony Blair government was corrupt as hell, but this one led by Boris is on an entirely new level.

Like many, i dont care about working lunches etc, but i do draw the line at an organised party when the country was going through its worse crisis since the 2nd world war.


I think the time is right for Boris to move on.


I agree in principle but I also know that I’m going to throw up in my mouth when they announce his replacement, who will no doubt be another ****ing gargoyle.

[bots]

the issue is that Boris has filled the cabinet and all senior positions with like minded people so it's going to be very difficult for a relative unknown to pop their head up and win the leadership

[Zizu]

You just have an agenda against Labour in my view.
It wouldn't have been Starmer as PM anyhow as Corbyn was leader in 2019.

You equally too cannot say there wouldn't have been less fatalities under Labour.
No one can know that unless they were in.

However what I do believe as a Labour party member myself and you can dismiss it all you wish to.

I know as a member that we'd have expected any government in this pandemic to speak as one voice with all the other 3 Nations of the UK.
Plus to work with other parties to ensure the maximum of everything was done to save people and ensure staff and patients were protected to the full.

Not create the care home disgrace this government allowed to take place.
Or the PPE chaos.

So actually I'd say deaths would have been possibly high still however we wouldn't I think in my view, be the Country with the 7th highest number of deaths.
Where 6 of the Nation's above us have over double our population at least.
Plus I really feel with better protection actioned immediately, far less unnecessary deaths would have resulted under Labour.
Not have an estimated over 20,000 unnecessary losses of loved ones under this Con government.

You may think that's good record, I certainly don't.

However keep bashing Labour all you wish to.
Blame the opposition who aren't in power and credit the disastrous government which is.
However you CANNOT factually say deaths would have been the same or worse under a Labour PM.
As they've been under this PM and government, and still rising in total now by around 700 weekly.


Starmer would have been in charge for the last 18 months or more ..... so I’ve no idea where you’re going with that idea ..

Anyways, my views have never changed.

I don’t have any political allegiance .. I don’t trust or like any of them ( Boris aside )

I’ve always said that I see something nice in Boris ... I just see him as a good hearted person .

I don’t like ANY other politicians ...

I just see Starmer as a very weak man and totally unsuitable to lead the country .

Corbyn was simply repulsive not least because of the type of people he used to associate with ( probably still does )


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[Zizu]

I agree in principle but I also know that I’m going to throw up in my mouth when they announce his replacement, who will no doubt be another ****ing gargoyle.


Same applies to Labour of course though


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[Zizu]

We obviously can’t know for sure although to be quite honest, my overall feeling is that the “general picture” would be more or less the same no matter who was in power. I think the numbers etc. have more to do with other factors and governments frankly have very little control when it comes to Covid - other than ensuring that people are aware to try to be safe (whether or not they actually do it is down to the population) and rolling out vaccines and treatments effectively (the reason we did that quickly is because we have disproportionate economic power to our population size).

Where I do think some lives could have been saved - mostly non-Covid deaths - is if the Tories hadn’t been in power for the decade BEFORE Covid, stripping the health service to bare bones for political ideology/personal gain.

If the NHS had been in better condition, it wouldn’t have had to effectively shut down every other service it offers for Covid.


A nice well balanced view on things ...


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[Zizu]

Maybe it’s time we did see Labour in charge ..

It will be so amusing to see some of you people trying to defend Labour when all the stories of corruption and ineptitude hit the headlines ... time after time after time

:)


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

I’d remove that last cartoon tbh , bud


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[Oliver_W]

Starmer would have been in charge for the last 18 months or more ..... so I’ve no idea where you’re going with that idea ..
No, he wouldn't. Starmer has never led a party during a General Election.

You really think there would have been far fewer deaths with Starmer in charge ?

Do you also think that Labour would have developed and funded such a wonderfully successful vaccine program ?

Do you really think the relative success the UK has had in facing the pandemic is down to Boris Johnson ('s government) ?

I think it comes down more to the scientists myself, along with a range of factors from luck to circumstance.

Remember that BoJo has been ragging on Labour for "still wanting to be in lockdown", so maybe there would have been fewer deaths!

[joeysteele]

Starmer would have been in charge for the last 18 months or more ..... so I’ve no idea where you’re going with that idea ..

Anyways, my views have never changed.

I don’t have any political allegiance .. I don’t trust or like any of them ( Boris aside )

I’ve always said that I see something nice in Boris ... I just see him as a good hearted person .

I don’t like ANY other politicians ...

I just see Starmer as a very weak man and totally unsuitable to lead the country .

Corbyn was simply repulsive not least because of the type of people he used to associate with ( probably still does )


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No you are wrong.
If Labour had won the December 2019 election the leader was Jeremy Corbyn.
He'd have been the one dealing with this pandemic from February 2020.

Not Starmer at all.

For me it doesn't matter, I believe had Labour or any other party been in power alone or in coalition.
That government would have consulted more across the house on the pandemic.

Unlike this PM who virtually closed near all others out.

It's not my problem if you don't like Starmer because in the main he's a Labour leader.
While asking for congratulations to this Con PM who is at the very least ONLY a master of political deceit.
However at worst, in my view, it won't be in yours, a compulsive political and dangerous liar.

If you think Johnson is a credible politician, while denouncing other leaders of other Parties you don't like.
Well, sorry, I'm pleased I'm not the one with a problem like that.

[arista]

The PM has cleared it up
he only spent 25mins in the Garden.He was thanking the staff at the Working event

Starmer is going on and on and on.

PMQ's Live

[joeysteele]

The PM has cleared it up
he only spent 25mins in the Garden.He was thanking the staff at the Working event

Starmer is going on and on and on.

PMQ's Live

He shouldn't have been there for a second and neither should anyone else there either.

Are you helping re write the rules too that HE put in place.

You're missing the point.
NONE of them should have been there it was AGAINST his and his government laws and rules.

[arista]

He shouldn't have been there for a second and neither should anyone else there either.

Are you helping re write the rules too that HE put in place.

You're missing the point.
NONE of them should have been there it was AGAINST his and his government laws and rules.



No Sue is doing that report

[joeysteele]

No Sue is doing that report


You are learning well from your deceitful leader arista very sadly.

Hiding behind this investigation.

He either obeys his rules or not
He can't do both and if he was present in any context, he broke all his rules.
As did ALL the others there because it shouldn't have taken place at all.

Doesn't need an investigation to work that one out.

[arista]

"Hiding behind this investigation."


Yes its all legit.

Labour failed today

[joeysteele]

"Hiding behind this investigation."


Yes its all legit.

Labour failed today

To you maybe.

Not from what people are e mailing and texting me with.
Who are NOT my Labour contacts either.

Most Cons are thankfully fairer than the ' Johnson hard-line cover up everything for Johnson ' Cons.

[arista]

Sure, some legit anger. Totally Justified.

But Johnson, is moving on.
Running this Nation

Some thought he would give up
and go - they read this, all wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure, some legit anger. Totally Justified.

But Johnson, is moving on.
Running this Nation

Some thought he would give up
and go - they read this, all wrong.

BUT the NEXT LEAK will be the end

and the next leak is cumming very soon

[arista]

BUT the NEXT LEAK will be the end

and the next leak is cumming very soon



Bring it on
Dom.

[arista]

54 letters are needed.
For the Conservative Committee to act

Conservative Roger Gale MP has put a letter in.
Just on SkyNewsHD

Early days.

[arista]

Labour and the SNP
can not make the PM
Resign and they know it.

Today, the Conservatives Backed Johnson
Peston stated on the Lunch Time ITV1HD news.


But Peston, thinks he will not last
for the next Election.


Peston has his show on tonight
10:45PM ITV1HD

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Sure LT
but he did not get that Email

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure LT
but he did not get that Email

irrelevant, if true

[arista]

He went to that Work Event in his garden
thanked the staff
and after 25mins went back to his office

[Crimson Dynamo]

He went to that Work Event in his garden
thanked the staff
and after 25mins went back to his office

going for a drink with work pals after work is called going for a drink, its not called working

[Cherie]

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:joker:

[Cherie]

I suppose the only good thing to come out of it is 100 emails went out but only 29 turned up ...so most people realised it was a rule break

[Crimson Dynamo]

I suppose the only good thing to come out of it is 100 emails went out but only 29 turned up ...so most people realised it was a rule break

I doubt it

More like your boss emails and says "hey lets have some forced fun after work when you are not getting paid and guess what - there is no free booze!"

aye right!

[arista]

going for a drink with work pals after work is called going for a drink, its not called working

You forget He is the UK Leader
so he went out to thank them
25mins.


Just after 6PM
then he went back to his office

[arista]

The SNP can piss off


Labour Bugger off


Its up to the Conservatives alone

[Cherie]

I doubt it

More like your boss emails and says "hey lets have some forced fun after work when you are not getting paid and guess what - there is no free booze!"

aye right!

Oh true enough

[Crimson Dynamo]

You forget He is the UK Leader
so he went out to thank them
25mins.


Just after 6PM
then he went back to his office

25 mins to thank them :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

1922 meeting

[bots]

25 mins to thank them :joker:

if we are talking time measurements, time to scoff 3 G & T's and 4 sausage rolls is probably a more accurate measure :laugh:

[arista]

1922 meeting


Yes ,but they need 54 MP's



Roger Gale MP sent his in
a year ago, it is still valid.

He is talking Live on Times radio.

[arista]

25 mins to thank them :joker:

Yes
29 of them spaced out

[Oliver_W]

1922 meeting

Is there actually?!

The backbenchers have been on the verge of revolt for a while (right?) and that's who makes the bulk of 1922...

[arista]

Is there actually?!

The backbenchers have been on the verge of revolt for a while (right?) and that's who makes the bulk of 1922...


No
they need 54 Letters sent in.

[bots]

there isn't the will to get rid of Boris yet, the apology was all he needed to do.

Whether he is still in position at the next GE is another thing entirely though

[Crimson Dynamo]

The next leak will be the tipping point

[Zizu]

To you maybe.

Not from what people are e mailing and texting me with.
Who are NOT my Labour contacts either.

Most Cons are thankfully fairer than the ' Johnson hard-line cover up everything for Johnson ' Cons.


A staunch Labour voter suggesting that most Conservatives are fair minded .... mmmmmm


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[arista]

The next leak will be the tipping point


Again, Bring it on Dom.

[Zizu]

1922 meeting


They’ve been waiting a long time then ..


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[glib]

He went to that Work Event in his garden
thanked the staff
and after 25mins went back to his office

It was still in his garden and he knew it was taking place and broke rules
Whether he was there for 25 minutes or 250 minutes he’s just as responsible

https://www.stroudlabour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/410/2022/01/garden-party-800x0-c-default.jpg

This is probably the 3/4th time in the past month the conservatives have been exposed as flouting their own rules

I look back at the Sarah Everard case where said victim was deceived into thinking she had broken rules regarding covid

[arista]

They’ve been waiting a long time then ..



But they need 54 MP letters
to act.

[joeysteele]

A staunch Labour voter suggesting that most Conservatives are fair minded .... mmmmmm


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I've said to you several times before.

I know in ALL parties there are the majority of people who are decent and fair minded.
I've also told you several times that MPs of ALL parties.
Do go into politics to hopefully change things for the better and for the right reasons.

I don't know what your possibly sarcastic reference may be.
However it's the Party system that stops most MPs from even just voting with their conscience.

Parliamentary procedure and other elements too.

They are all human.
Plus until I was 18 I was a Con supporter.
I voted Lib Dem to hopefully see a coalition in 2010.
So I can and DO see the good in all parties.
Even though now I've found my more social conscience home In and with Labour.
Although I'm sure I'll have many complaints and strong arguments at times in the party.

However when there's a leader who acts dictatorial and rides over others feelings.
Like when he threw out long standing and more moderate MPs from the party for daring to be against his plans in 2019.

Who then deceives and lies to parliament and the people.
Who was found to have acted unlawfully with power by the 2 highest courts of the UK.
Well such a man wouldn't get my admiration or support.

I don't and never have disliked the Conservative party, I DO dislike intensely all its done and stood for in its heartless policies towards the poorest, weakest, vulnerable, sick and disabled with the Lib Dems and alone since 2010.

I'd have had no similar dislike for the Thatcher or Major governments.
However I was only born in 1992.

You'd actually be possibly surprised if you ever bothered to find out, that many Conservative supporters and members admire too many in the Labour party.

I've canvassed in elections, niggling at Conservative canvassers who did the same with me.
Then we've all gone for coffee afterwards.

You'd be amazed how many Conservative and Labour supporters and members are friends and in some cases close friends.

You slate politicians as awful people.
That's not the case at all.
I know many and I believe most from ALL parties are decent people, unlike your view of politicians.

Most try their very best for little thanks.
It's policies I judge parties on, even my own party.

I detest the policies to the vulnerable,sick and disabled from this present government.
Which is why I slam it more.
Even moreso with this dangerously deceitful and compulsive liar the Cons have inflicted on the Nation as PM.

I hope that may again explain why this Labour member and voter can see good in other parties.
Including the Conservative party !!

[Zizu]

I've said to you several times before.

I know in ALL parties there are the majority of people who are decent and fair minded.
I've also told you several times that MPs of ALL parties.
Do go into politics to hopefully change things for the better and for the right reasons.

I don't know what your possibly sarcastic reference may be.
However it's the Party system that stops most MPs from even just voting with their conscience.

Parliamentary procedure and other elements too.

They are all human.
Plus until I was 18 I was a Con supporter.
I voted Lib Dem to hopefully see a coalition in 2010.
So I can and DO see the good in all parties.
Even though now I've found my more social conscience home In and with Labour.
Although I'm sure I'll have many complaints and strong arguments at times in the party.

However when there's a leader who acts dictatorial and rides over others feelings.
Like when he threw out long standing and more moderate MPs from the party for daring to be against his plans in 2019.

Who then deceives and lies to parliament and the people.
Who was found to have acted unlawfully with power by the 2 highest courts of the UK.
Well such a man wouldn't get my admiration or support.

I don't and never have disliked the Conservative party, I DO dislike intensely all its done and stood for in its heartless policies towards the poorest, weakest, vulnerable, sick and disabled with the Lib Dems and alone since 2010.

I'd have had no similar dislike for the Thatcher or Major governments.
However I was only born in 1992.

You'd actually be possibly surprised if you ever bothered to find out, that many Conservative supporters and members admire too many in the Labour party.

I've canvassed in elections, niggling at Conservative canvassers who did the same with me.
Then we've all gone for coffee afterwards.

You'd be amazed how many Conservative and Labour supporters and members are friends and in some cases close friends.

You slate politicians as awful people.
That's not the case at all.
I know many and I believe most from ALL parties are decent people, unlike your view of politicians.

Most try their very best for little thanks.
It's policies I judge parties on, even my own party.

I detest the policies to the vulnerable,sick and disabled from this present government.
Which is why I slam it more.
Even moreso with this dangerously deceitful and compulsive liar the Cons have inflicted on the Nation as PM.

I hope that may again explain why this Labour member and voter can see good in other parties.
Including the Conservative party !!


You make it sound like past Labour governments never did anything wrong or made any mistakes..

Politicians and political parties are all as corrupt and inept as each other ... always have been always will be imho


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[jet]

Starmer would have been in charge for the last 18 months or more ..... so I’ve no idea where you’re going with that idea ..

Anyways, my views have never changed.

I don’t have any political allegiance .. I don’t trust or like any of them ( Boris aside )

I’ve always said that I see something nice in Boris ... I just see him as a good hearted person .

I don’t like ANY other politicians ...

I just see Starmer as a very weak man and totally unsuitable to lead the country .

Corbyn was simply repulsive not least because of the type of people he used to associate with ( probably still does )


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I'm with you on this one, especially your view of the repulsive Corbyn. How anyone would even consider preferring someone in power who fraternised with terrorists who murdered hundreds of innocent men, woman and children is beyond belief.

[joeysteele]

You make it sound like past Labour governments never did anything wrong or made any mistakes..

Politicians and political parties are all as corrupt and inept as each other ... always have been always will be imho


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It's just about a waste of my time responding to you.

Where on earth did I say past Labour governments didn't make any mistakes.
I dislike Blair only very slightly less than I dislike this PM.
I was ONLY 15 when Blair left parliament however.

I even stated, I'd be likely having battles in the Labour party as a member now.

However with your view as a general one that all politicians are corrupt.
There's no way I'll even make any more attempts to debate with you.

Just please however don't twist or add to my words to have them say what you want them to, when they clearly don't.

I know there's good and decent people as MPs and I'll stand by my words that it is the vast majority of them too from ALL Parties.

This PM however is no way one of the good and decent individuals, and in my opinion never has been as to his whole career in politics.
Not a chance will I ever think him so.

This issue and his joke of an apology is an insult to all who lost loved ones unnecessarily.
Who couldn't be with loved ones as they died, couldn't have church services, it had to be at graveside with ONLY 10 to 15 mourners permitted.

It may be usually good to say sorry, however sorry doesn't always make things right.
In my view that's definitely so in this case.

[MTVN]

Does anyone in the country or the Tory party really have the appetite for a leadership contest and all the instability of a new PM? There's enough going on right now without all that chaos

Accept the apology, ensure he knows he's in last chance saloon and move on if I'm a Tory MP imo

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[joeysteele]

That Metro one is very appropriate.

Because he's ONLY said a kind of conditional sorry because he's been caught out.

He wouldn't be saying sorry at all if this hadn't been shown to have taken place.

That's why in my view, he should resign.
If he had a shred of decency he would.
However it's clear he hasn't a shred of decency.

[Zizu]

That Metro one is very appropriate.

Because he's ONLY said a kind of conditional sorry because he's been caught out.

He wouldn't be saying sorry at all if this hadn't been shown to have taken place.

That's why in my view, he should resign.
If he had a shred of decency he would.
However it's clear he hasn't a shred of decency.


Given that you are a Labour voter ... on that basis why didn’t all the hundreds of Labour MPs resign after they were caught out thieving in the expenses scandal ??

Didn’t they all just give the money back and incredibly kept their jobs ... oh and no apologies as I recall ..


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[joeysteele]

Given that you are a Labour voter ... on that basis why didn’t all the hundreds of Labour MPs resign after they were caught out thieving in the expenses scandal ??

Didn’t they all just give the money back and incredibly kept their jobs ... oh and no apologies as I recall ..


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Oh good lord.

I can throw straight back at you ALL the MPs found to have been caught up in the expenses scandal.
There were loads of Conservative MPs in that too.

I wasn't a Labour supporter then.
I couldn't even vote!!!!!
I was only 17.

So you possibly think it seems, it's fine to forgive the Conservative party.
Who were as much embroiled in the expenses scandal as Labour and other Parties were.

However the Labour party should never be forgiven.

There are People who couldn't attend their loved ones funerals.
I lost 2 Aunts, My Mother couldn't go to her own Sister's funeral.

I am one of hundreds of thousands who UNLIKE you,are livid that this PM allowed a gathering on his home and work premises which was banned at the time.
When they couldn't even pay their last respects to their loved ones.

You may not care a jot for that, however that's your problem not mine.
Unbelievable!

[Zizu]

Oh good lord.

I can throw straight back at you ALL the MPs found to have been caught up in the expenses scandal.
There were loads of Conservative MPs in that too.

I wasn't a Labour supporter then.
I couldn't even vote!!!!!
I was only 17.

So you possibly think it seems, it's fine to forgive the Conservative party.
Who were as much embroiled in the expenses scandal as Labour and other Parties were.

However the Labour party should never be forgiven.

There are People who couldn't attend their loved ones funerals.
I lost 2 Aunts, My Mother couldn't go to her own Sister's funeral.

I am one of hundreds of thousands who UNLIKE you,are livid that this PM allowed a gathering on his home and work premises which was banned at the time.
When they couldn't even pay their last respects to their loved ones.

You may not care a jot for that, however that's your problem not mine.
Unbelievable!

All the one’s involved in the expenses scandal should have been removed from there positions and banned from politics forever .. and been jailed even


I just mentioned those disgusting Labour politicians as you said you were a Labour voter .. and you have been happily slaughtering Boris for ... attending a party .

Interesting that you have no opinion on their disgraceful behaviour back then ... because you were too young to vote ? LOL

Guess you have no opinion on Adolf either given he was also before your time .


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[Withano]

Lol get him out.

Worst prime minister in history and it’s not even close.

[bots]

Sunak is keeping well away from the proceedings which points to him being the next PM in waiting. I thought after yesterday's apology that Boris would survive but i'm not so certain now. I would imagine if more stuff is out there it will come out now

[Zizu]

Lol get him out.

Worst prime minister in history and it’s not even close.


How old are you ?

We’ve had some proper demicks in the last 50 years or so


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[user104658]

How old are you ?

We’ve had some proper demicks in the last 50 years or so


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To be fair while we've had some that have made some horrendous decisions, certainly, I don't think we've had one who so freely tells the most ridiculous lies and comes out with the excuses that a 5 year old would use and expects that to be just accepted... "I didn't know it was a party tho" must be up there with the most ludicrous ways to avoid accepting responsibility I've ever heard from anyone over the age of 12.

If we're talking "worst" in terms of actual effect though, no, he's not the literal worst. Thatcher's politics are still the absolute worst and she will be near-impossible to beat.

And Mr Cameron is up there too with A) Mishandling the Brexit vote through over-confidence and B) running away afterwards.

Not going to lie though Zizu, you have to admit that Boris probably makes the top 5 if you factor in various things.

[arista]

Lol get him out.

Worst prime minister in history and it’s not even close.


No Rush

[joeysteele]

All the one’s involved in the expenses scandal should have been removed from there positions and banned from politics forever .. and been jailed even


I just mentioned those disgusting Labour politicians as you said you were a Labour voter .. and you have been happily slaughtering Boris for ... attending a party .

Interesting that you have no opinion on their disgraceful behaviour back then ... because you were too young to vote ? LOL

Guess you have no opinion on Adolf either given he was also before your time .


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I've made many posts on here over the years.
On Hitler.
On all Parties
On near all political issues.

I condemn ALL these involved in the expenses scandal from ALL Parties.

I won't condemn just one Party's MPs as you have in this thread.

All you're seeming to be doing is detracting from the issue of Johnson breaking his own laws and rules.
You dismiss by making no reference to, those thousands upon thousands of people left grieving who obeyed his laws and rules, even as to not being able to pay last respects to lost loved ones

You're banging on about the past.
To help defend Johnson most likely.
Since you avoid the wrongs of the Cons while only highlighting others.

I'm talking about this issue now which is what this thread is about.

I'll throw another to you HOWEVER, what about the Con sleaze in the 90s too.

All Parties do wrong and in the expenses scandal revealed around 2008/9.
Indeed ALL Parties MPs were involved in the scandal.

So again I say, I condemn ALL MPS of all parties who abused expenses and committed illegal acts.

Now I've a answered your questioning and ridiculous nitpicking at myself personally just because I'm a Labour member and supporter.
So from now find someone else to question as I've made my position clear.
I've said I condemn all MPs of all parties who acted illegally in the expenses scandal.
All parties, not just Labours as you do.

I'm absolutely sick of the nitpicking on here.

The only people I'll defend in this saga with this disgraceful PM, are the families like my own, who have lost loved ones unnecessarily and not been ABLE to be with them while they were dying, nor able to be at their funerals.
Because we and they obeyed the laws and rules this PM ordered us all to.

My, and their anger at him laughing in our faces, and only apologising once he was caught out, as he and his Cabinet and staff broke those rules, will only get stronger and stronger.
In my view, rightly so too

You may not care at all about those people grieving.
Well, that's not my problem.
However it says nothing about me thankfully.

[arista]

Johnson
has a member in his family that has covid.

So he has cancelled his Health Hospital Visit



https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-cancels-visit-after-family-member-tests-positive-for-covid-12514781

[Oliver_W]

And Mr Cameron is up there too with A) Mishandling the Brexit vote through over-confidence and B) running away afterwards.


It comes to something when he's the best PM we've had in ages... but ehh, while I'm not th biggest Tory fan that's not quite fair, he wasn't abysmal ...

If he'd have stayed after the Brexit vote and tried to make the best of it, who knows where we'd be now...

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[joeysteele]

It comes to something when he's the best PM we've had in ages... but ehh, while I'm not th biggest Tory fan that's not quite fair, he wasn't abysmal ...

If he'd have stayed after the Brexit vote and tried to make the best of it, who knows where we'd be now...

All I'll say on David Cameron was he didn't believe in Brexit.

He really in my view didn't think he'd ever have to hold a referendum.
As in the election of 2015 he stressed all the time, IF the Conservatives got an overall majority he would hold an EU referendum.

No poll indicated anything other than another hung parliament.
So he thought he'd be a minority government or still needing the Lib Dems to govern.
So he would be ABLE to say he didn't get an overall majority so the EU referendum wouldn't get passed.

However he got an overall majority and he had to hold one with UKIP biting at his heels.

I personally wish he'd stayed in place however, he knew behind him on the backbenches, the really extreme anti EU elements of his party.
His nemesis, Johnson had been high profile against him in the referendum campaign.

His heart wasn't in delivering something he'd hoped to avoid.

So while some see it as an abandonment of duty to see his policy through, regardless of the result.
I can understand him not wanting to.

I have reservations of David Cameron but overall I liked him.
It was his attacks on the poorest, vulnerable,sick and disabled plus the massive top down NHS re- organisation which made it impossible for me to vote for him.

However for me, he's the best Conservative PM of the last 3.
Theresa May who I've never liked, her premiership highlighted the chaos Cameron would have faced from the hard Brexit elements of the Conservative party.

She never really had a chance.
I do think she was like a stopgap for a short time only in order to pave the way for those hardliners to get Johnson finally in place.
Johnson, even in her Cabinet often publicly worked against her.

Such is politics however, it can be extremely brutal.

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Yes LT its a Work Event.

[Beso]

I'm treating my staff for their hard work....bring your own drinks though....tight sod

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris Johnson has pulled out of a planned visit to Lancashire this morning "due to a family member testing positive for coronavirus", Downing Street said.


A family member who lives in 10 Downing Street?

more lies

[arista]

Poor Old Victoria Derbyshire
is outside in the cold
10 Downing Street.
BBC news


Thats stupid
as Johnson is staying put
as a member of his family has Covid.


No need to look Rough outside 10 Downing St.

[bots]

Boris Johnson has pulled out of a planned visit to Lancashire this morning "due to a family member testing positive for coronavirus", Downing Street said.


A family member who lives in 10 Downing Street?

more lies


The truth is he is keeping his head down, it must be good odds that he will be gone within the week

[arista]

Boris Johnson has pulled out of a planned visit to Lancashire this morning "due to a family member testing positive for coronavirus", Downing Street said.


A family member who lives in 10 Downing Street?

more lies



Yes I posted that with a Link

[arista]

Johnson
has a member in his family that has covid.

So he has cancelled his Health Hospital Visit



https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-cancels-visit-after-family-member-tests-positive-for-covid-12514781


Yes no need for the BBC Victoria being outside his door.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I posted that with a Link

so they only member of his family at no 10 is his wife?

[Livia]

The Chinese and Taiwan are facing a gathering conflict, China already have Tibet by the throat and they're murdering Uyghur Muslims in their thousands; the word 'genocide' is often used in connection with them. North Korea is as unstable and unpredictable as ever and possess nuclear weapons. The Middle East is burning, how long before Israel bombs Iran into a car park? The rain forests are disappearing despite the warnings and the seas are rising. Not far away from us. Russia is massing 100,000 troops on the borders of Ukraine.

So the burning question of the day is, Did Boris go to a party, or....not?

[joeysteele]

The Chinese and Taiwan are facing a gathering conflict, China already have Tibet by the throat and they're murdering Uyghur Muslims in their thousands; the word 'genocide' is often used in connection with them. North Korea is as unstable and unpredictable as ever and possess nuclear weapons. The Middle East is burning, how long before Israel bombs Iran into a car park? The rain forests are disappearing despite the warnings and the seas are rising. Not far away from us. Russia is massing 100,000 troops on the borders of Ukraine.

So the burning question of the day is, Did Boris go to a party, or....not?

No.
The question is about breaking the laws with penalties and rules he dictated and made for everyone else, being broken by him.
At something that shouldn't have even been taking place!.

When people couldn't be with loved ones dying, or have church services for those lost loved ones and couldn't travel to or go to their funerals either.
Because they were obeying his and those rules.

That may not matter to you but it does to myself,my family and hundreds of thousands at least of others still left devastated and grieving for lost loved ones.

[arista]

so they only member of his family at no 10 is his wife?


Could be

[arista]

The Chinese and Taiwan are facing a gathering conflict, China already have Tibet by the throat and they're murdering Uyghur Muslims in their thousands; the word 'genocide' is often used in connection with them. North Korea is as unstable and unpredictable as ever and possess nuclear weapons. The Middle East is burning, how long before Israel bombs Iran into a car park? The rain forests are disappearing despite the warnings and the seas are rising. Not far away from us. Russia is massing 100,000 troops on the borders of Ukraine.

So the burning question of the day is, Did Boris go to a party, or....not?


Yes Shocking all these International battles
about to start


And a Work Event A/K/A party downing st. big garden

[Livia]

No.
The question is about breaking the laws with penalties and rules he dictated and made for everyone else, being broken by him.
At something that shouldn't have even been taking place!.

When people couldn't be with loved ones dying, or have church services for those lost loved ones and couldn't travel to or go to their funerals either.
Because they were obeying his and those rules.

That may not matter to you but it does to myself,my family and hundreds of thousands at least of others still left devastated and grieving for lost loved ones.

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.

[Nicky91]

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.

aww that's so sad to hear :(

[Livia]

aww that's so sad to hear :(

Thanks Nicky xxx

[Cherie]

Maybe Wilfred picked it up at nursery :fist:

[joeysteele]

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.

I lost 2 Aunt's and 2 friends, one a Nurse.

I have no time for Angela Raynor actually.
I may be Labour but I will criticise anyone anytime for wrong.

She too had to apologise, however it took her too long to do it too.
I'd frankly rather have a different deputy of the Labour party.

She didn't however break any of her own laws and rules she'd dictated to everyone else in the country to obey.

I said earlier politics can be brutal which you well know.

It's not aggression Livia it's anger that a man who is in the highest office of the land can dictate laws and rules to others but not have to obey them himself.

He has insisted for weeks, months in fact, no rules were broken.
Yet he was at something he had banned everywhere else for everyone else.
Only apologising when fully caught out.

I extend an apology to you for saying it may not matter to you.
Plus I'm extremely sad to learn of your great loss too.

My anger is at any or perceived defence of this and I'm sorry for my terminology here, this creep, who really does in my view think he can make laws and rules that everyone else must obey.
However which he goes about as if they shouldn't and don't apply to him too.
Sorry but for me, that's unacceptable.

Anyhow, have a good day Livia.

[Cherie]

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.


aw that is tough, sorry for your loss Liv xx

[Zizu]

To be fair while we've had some that have made some horrendous decisions, certainly, I don't think we've had one who so freely tells the most ridiculous lies and comes out with the excuses that a 5 year old would use and expects that to be just accepted... "I didn't know it was a party tho" must be up there with the most ludicrous ways to avoid accepting responsibility I've ever heard from anyone over the age of 12.

If we're talking "worst" in terms of actual effect though, no, he's not the literal worst. Thatcher's politics are still the absolute worst and she will be near-impossible to beat.

And Mr Cameron is up there too with A) Mishandling the Brexit vote through over-confidence and B) running away afterwards.

Not going to lie though Zizu, you have to admit that Boris probably makes the top 5 if you factor in various things.


I just think that Boris has a good heart and I’ve always felt that way .. I don’t see that in anyone else aside from maybe Chris Whitty who’s not a politician.


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[Zizu]

You may not care at all about those people grieving.
Well, that's not my problem.
However it says nothing about me thankfully.


I care about everybody and everything .. that’s my downfall and why probably why my mental state is so very fragile ...

As regards your other rantings ... I called you out on your attack on Boris as I don’t feel that anyone else on the political scene could have done any better - you made it a political thing as you vote Labour and were critical of the Tories ..

Maybe we should now bury the hatchet ..
agree to disagree or put me on ignore ..

I wish you no harm or malice and never meant to get you so riled .

Apologies

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[Zizu]

Johnson
has a member in his family that has covid.

So he has cancelled his Health Hospital Visit



https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-cancels-visit-after-family-member-tests-positive-for-covid-12514781


He’ll probably get slagged off in here for cancelling his hospital visit


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[Crimson Dynamo]

He’ll probably get slagged off in here for cancelling his hospital visit


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He will because he does not need to isolate

He has done this to avoid questions and the embarrassment of a visit to a hospiutal following yesterday

So again - its me, me,me and lies

[Zizu]

He will because he does not need to isolate

He has done this to avoid questions and the embarrassment of a visit to a hospiutal following yesterday

So again - its me, me,me and lies


We don’t know that for sure though .. you’re just going to the worst case scenario to suit your argument.

Maybe he’s being ultra , ultra careful in what he does given he’s under such unbelievable scrutiny


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[AnnieK]

Nice that you're talking to me joey, but there's no need to be so aggressive. "that may not matter to you...". You have no idea what matters to me.

I lost my beloved grandmother before Christmas. I know how it feels to suffer loss.

What makes me most angry about this whole thing is Angela Rayner's bitter face showing people how outraged she is. The same woman who referred to Tory MPs as "scum" two weeks before one was stabbed to death. Imagine if a Tory had said Labour were "scum" two weeks before Jo Cox. There was a discussion about the violent language they use to each other but Angela never got the memo.

Sorry for your loss x

[arista]

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[bots]

A senior UK government minister has dismissed the Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross as a "lightweight" within the party, after he called for the prime minister's resignation.

Mr Ross said Boris Johnson should step down after he admitted attending a Downing Street party during lockdown.

Jacob Rees-Mogg said Mr Ross was a "lightweight figure", and the PM had the support of more "important" MPs.

He said this included the Scottish secretary, Alister Jack.

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Implosion pending

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Scotland is being treated with "utter contempt" by Westminster, Nicola
Sturgeon has said amid a row over comments made by Jacob Rees-Mogg
over 'Partygate'.

Ms Sturgeon told First Minister's Questions at Holyrood she had "big political
differences with Douglas Ross, but even I am not as derogatory about him as
his own Tory colleagues are being".

"'Not a big figure', 'lightweight' - these might be personal insults directed at
the leader of the Scottish Conservatives but actually they say something
much deeper about the Westminster establishment's utter contempt for
Scotland," she said.

"Independence is fundamentally about empowerment and aspiration but, you
know what, an added benefit of being independent is it will no longer have
to put up with being treated like something on the sole of Westminster's
shoe."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-mocks-douglas-ross-25936028

[bots]

thats wiped out tory support in scotland completely

[Crimson Dynamo]

20 working police officers in and around number 10 when that party was going on

:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Panini football card amendment...

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5328&stc=1&d=1642091225

[arista]

A senior UK government minister has dismissed the Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross as a "lightweight" within the party, after he called for the prime minister's resignation.

Mr Ross said Boris Johnson should step down after he admitted attending a Downing Street party during lockdown.

Jacob Rees-Mogg said Mr Ross was a "lightweight figure", and the PM had the support of more "important" MPs.

He said this included the Scottish secretary, Alister Jack.

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Implosion pending



Yes ,
Jacob repeated it on NewsnightHD BBC2
last night.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish independence takes a huge leap forward this week

[LaLaLand]

Two Downing Street parties held evening before Prince Philip’s funeral

Staff inside Downing Street held two staff leaving events featuring alcohol, and one with loud music, on the evening before Prince Philip’s funeral in April last year, when such social contact remained banned, according to new allegations reported on Thursday.

Eyewitnesses told the Daily Telegraph that a combined total of about 30 people took part in what appeared to be social events in different parts of Downing Street, before both gatherings combined in the garden.

According to one attender, a staff member was sent with a suitcase to the Co-op on the Strand, a short walk away, returning with the case filled with bottles of wine.

Philip’s funeral took place in the private chapel at Windsor Castle the next day, Saturday 17 April, with the Queen sitting alone to maintain social distancing.

Boris Johnson was not at Downing Street that evening, having gone to the prime ministerial country retreat, Chequers, on the Thursday evening and remaining into the weekend.

At the time, England was in stage two of the government’s gradual relaxation from lockdown. Up to six people or two families could meet outside, while indoors, people could only socialise with their household or support bubble.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/13/two-downing-street-parties-held-evening-before-prince-philips-funeral-reports

Even THE QUEEN stuck to the rules at her own husband's funeral mere hours after one of these parties. Shocking. I have no words for them, it's just disgusting.

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[LaLaLand]

(Elaborating on above post)

Tony Diver from The Telegraph tweets (Link (https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1481741337951195136?s=20)):

We have spoken to eyewitnesses. At a leaving do for a No10 photographer it’s alleged:

- Staff partied in the basement of No10, to music DJd by a special adviser.

- One broke Wilf Johnson’s swing in the No10 garden.

- Another was sent to the Co-op with a suitcase to buy booze.

Another event held to mark the departure of James Slack, Mr Johnson’s chief spinner, saw:

- Staff gathered for a speech from Slack, with others dialling in via Zoom.

- Booze drunk and attendees spilling into the garden.

- Chatting and drinking into the early hours.

At the time Britain was in Step 2 of lockdown easing - which banned indoor gatherings and imposed the rule of six outside.

But the celebrations in No10 meant around 30 people were gathered for what a source declares were definitely parties.

[bots]

you have to ask, if they had this many parties during a time when everything is locked down, how many do they usually have :laugh:

I think there have just been too many occasions now where rules were broken. If it had been a one off and a misunderstanding, it could probably have been recoverable, but not now. These events wouldnt have happened if Boris had set the right tone for his staff, and it's obvious he just didn't

These last 2 events. It was on the news every day for the previous week how the queen was only able to have a couple of family attend Philips funeral, no-one could have missed it. No one could have missed the fact that the queen was going to have to sit alone .... and yet number 10 thought it was ok to hold a couple of parties with a suitcase of booze. Even the use of a suitcase shows they knew they were doing wrong and trying to hide it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Like most things in business and Government all the faux concerns about the nations health is really just the fear of blame. So far not one person has lost a job for too many restrictions. The restrictions and lockdowns imposed were to do with avoiding blame and so the people who imposed them did not really think they were really needed so they did not really bother about them.

I think its really that sad and simple

[joeysteele]

I am now in my life after going through political searching an unashamed Labour member and supporter.
So no matter the personal inferences and attacks I've had on here since I changed my political leaning.
I stand happily with it.

I rarely intensely dislike anyone I've NEVER met.
I have however for some reason always disliked Johnson, never saw him as trustworthy or anyone who should hold high office.

He stated no rules had been broken ages ago now it seems in parliament.
Here we are seeing with facts, from himself too that they were and more than once obviously too.

With what's been revealed already, even today and the admission after being caught out by Johnson's Director of Communications, of more rule breaks last year now too.

Quite what this inquiry by someone of whom Johnson is in effect her BOSS, can reveal is puzzling.
She was assigned to see if there was truth in these parties being held.
We already know definitely they were.
She can't assign blame or recommend action against anyone either it seems.
So the whole inquiry now has been almost made void by the revelations and admissions since.

Plus, as was said on Question Time last night.
When has Johnson stood by an inquiry which he didn't personally accept.
The answer is he doesn't normally.

So where can this inquiry he and his Ministers are hiding behind now really take us.

The end result is, Johnson was chosen by the Conservative party to lead it and be their Prime Minister too.
43% of voters entrusted him with the high office and responsibility of running and controlling all his government for the supposed good of ALL the Nation.

Number 10 is both HIS workplace, political base and also his home too.
It is then to me, and I think to most others now, inconceivable that he should not and did not, know what was happening in his workplace and his home in effect.

His presence not needed for these parties but his authority to permit definitely a factor.

All these admissions and only now apologies, are from being caught out.
There'd have been none of either, if these had been able to be covered up completely.
Not a chance.

It is beyond belief the police have not acted.
However have pounced on people where only 3 or 4 others were involved.

IF, the backbenchers allow this man to stay as PM, that will be a sad day for the Conservative party in my view.
His Cabinet of course say they support him.
They have larger salaries and more political status being selected to be in his Cabinet.

However for all the misleading alone, never mind lies as he KNEW he was at one at least.
He should be made to go.

From my political hope being in the Labour party it could be more advantageous him staying in place to the next election now.
Because as with Jo Swinson in the 2019 election, as leader of the Lib Dems, she was hammered for all she had supported in the coalition period.
Which she and her party couldn't get past.

In the next election, if Johnson stays in place, then this scandal and total mess, will also be likely played on heavily, which will make for difficulties in the campaign.

That may well be now of benefit to the party I now support.
However I care more for the Country.
This compulsive political deceiver and liar Johnson is not competent or decent enough to be still Prime Minister.
He never was as I'm biased against him, in my opinion.

In any crisis now however, he could never be believed as to his word.
It's all misleading, deceit and lies he delivers.
Really shameful in my view.

[arista]

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

As there Boss it very much matters and it does change a lot - this will be the thing that will trigger his sacking

[bots]

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

that's not true, whether he was there or not is irrelevant. He sets the rules and behaviour of his staff. It's obvious he told them it was fine to have these events.

He has to go, and he will be forced out. The inquiry is meaningless now

[arista]

that's not true, whether he was there or not is irrelevant. He sets the rules and behaviour of his staff. It's obvious he told them it was fine to have these events.

He has to go, and he will be forced out. The inquiry is meaningless now


Yes, if they can get the big 54 total of MP's
he will go.

[joeysteele]

Does not change much on the PM,
as he was not at these 2 events

I'm actually really personally surprised at you saying that.
Still, there it is I guess.

You DON'T have to be at something to know it's happening.
A PM who unbelievably and inconceivably hasn't a clue what is taking place in his workplace and his home too, doesn't send any positive signals as to his governance of government and Country.

[arista]

Joey that week May 2020
loads broke Covid rules
on Beaches and Parks

To many for the Police

[bots]

Joey that week May 2020
loads broke Covid rules
on Beaches and Parks

To many for the Police

this was the government, not "people"

[arista]

Downing St has apologised Buckingham Palace.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/14/no-10-apologises-palace-parties-eve-prince-philip-funeral-queen-covid

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Star Wars has gone downhill since I last watched it<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/12DZ2PznPf">pic.twitter.com/12DZ2PznPf</a></p>&mdash; FPL Partridge (@FPL_Partridge) <a href="https://twitter.com/FPL_Partridge/status/1481910495586263042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[arista]

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[user104658]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Star Wars has gone downhill since I last watched it<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/12DZ2PznPf">pic.twitter.com/12DZ2PznPf</a></p>&mdash; FPL Partridge (@FPL_Partridge) <a href="https://twitter.com/FPL_Partridge/status/1481910495586263042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There are just no words.

[joeysteele]

Downing St has apologised Buckingham Palace.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/14/no-10-apologises-palace-parties-eve-prince-philip-funeral-queen-covid

Now they've been caught out ONLY.

None would have been made, nor anything admitted if it hadn't been revealed publicly.

Sorry doesn't always make things right.

[Cherie]

he can't survive this, the disrespect of holding a party on the eve of Philips funeral is just beyond words, even those who hate the Monarchy must have felt a pang when the Queen was sat alone .... you think it can't get any worse than it just does :facepalm:

[arista]

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[Zizu]

he can't survive this, the disrespect of holding a party on the eve of Philips funeral is just beyond words, even those who hate the Monarchy must have felt a pang when the Queen was sat alone .... you think it can't get any worse than it just does :facepalm:


Is this the one he attended or the one he didn’t ?

It’s all so confusing


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[Cherie]

Is this the one he attended or the one he didn’t ?

It’s all so confusing


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no idea at this stage, even if he didnt attend the fact that he knew they were going on....maybe it was a wake for Philip

oh in the OP it says he was at Chequers

[Cherie]

Like most things in business and Government all the faux concerns about the nations health is really just the fear of blame. So far not one person has lost a job for too many restrictions. The restrictions and lockdowns imposed were to do with avoiding blame and so the people who imposed them did not really think they were really needed so they did not really bother about them.

I think its really that sad and simple

did you see Rees Mogg yestereday saying they need to look at the restrictions at the time to see if they were proportionate :facepalm:

[arista]

Getting 54 MP's letters
takes time.

If it does not reach 54
he is staying put.


Sign Of The Times

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Getting 54 MP's letters
takes time.

If it does not reach 54
he is staying put.


Sign Of The Times

For these parties, whether he had been at one or all.
He should have the decency to accept fully responsibility and resign as PM.

I say that too as to any leader.
The leading has to be done by example.
If any Leader hasn't obeyed the rules the same applies in my view.

However too, even worse in Johnson's case because HE made the rules he demanded everyone else obey.
So his breaking one, or more or all.

Well he should just do politics a favour and clear off.
Probably now his party too a favour as well.

It seems now to be the growing view and strengthening all the time.
That people now don't believe at all that he didn't know all this was going on in his home and workplace.

I certainly cannot accept that they took place without his knowledge.
I'd like to think a lot more than 54 backbenchers will decide enough is enough as to this creep now.

[bots]

the public will never listen to another word he says. He has no credibility. If I had been fined during lockdown, i would be demanding a refund right now

[bots]

Breaking news : Former head of Cabinet Office Covid taskforce Kate Josephs apologises for having leaving drinks during Covid restrictions


couldn't make it up :joker:

[user104658]

I just couldn't care less. I feel like it's only possible to care about this is you find it in ANY way surprising, which it just isn't.

[arista]

"I'd like to think a lot more than 54 backbenchers will decide enough is enough"

Of Course Joey
as soon as we see Sir Graham Brady
Chairman of the 1922 Committee
go Live on all 3 TV news,
it will all be over

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Official_portrait_of_Sir_Graham_Brady_MP_crop_2.jp g/440px-Official_portrait_of_Sir_Graham_Brady_MP_crop_2.jp g

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Brady


So far, 5 MP's have officially put a letter in.
(Ch5HDNews stated)
Of course not every MP will tell the media.

Sir Roger Gale MP
Douglas Ross MP
Andrew Bridgen MP
Carloline Nokes MP
William Wragg MP

[Cherie]

Breaking news : Former head of Cabinet Office Covid taskforce Kate Josephs apologises for having leaving drinks during Covid restrictions


couldn't make it up :joker:

:joker:

I see Keir has also been photographed having drinks in his constituency office

drinks all round it seems :laugh:

[bots]

:joker:

I see Keir has also been photographed having drinks in his constituency office

drinks all round it seems :laugh:

labour need to be squeaky clean when they are shouting resignation etc

[joeysteele]

labour need to be squeaky clean when they are shouting resignation etc

Oh I agree.
I've already stated I'd have no hesitation in expecting consequences for any leader.

However I will take issue with your generalised Labour point.

Labour is over 200 MPs, 400,000+ members.
Cherie has rightly mentioned only Starmer, not the whole of Labour.

I am not saying the Conservative party as a whole are guilty or have been of breaking the rules and laws.

I hope the Conservative party sees off their leader for his deceit and lies.

This is for me down to Johnson and any of his MPs or staff who have broken the rules.

It is only Starmer and any other Labour MP who would need to be squeaky clean as you put it, to criticise.
Labour is not just one man.

Just as the Conservative party is not just one man either.

[bots]

I'm thinking Angela and Keir in particular. If any of their staff were found in a similar position it would be very damaging

[arista]

I'm thinking Angela and Keir in particular. If any of their staff were found in a similar position it would be very damaging


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/14/14/52931699-10403057-image-a-9_1642171508100.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403057/Tories-accuse-Keir-Starmer-hypocrite-party-row.html

April 2021



I hope it Goes Front Page

[bots]

thats definitely a party, they are eating and drinking in a party setting :joker:

[joeysteele]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/14/14/52931699-10403057-image-a-9_1642171508100.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403057/Tories-accuse-Keir-Starmer-hypocrite-party-row.html

May 2021



I hope it Goes Front Page

With the Daily Mail or one like it I'm sure it will.
Plus it should too.

I've moved heaven and earth to keep myself and mainly my Mother safe.
I've no time for anyone breaking these rules.
No matter who they are.

[bots]

It does look like a hefty dose of hypocrisy. It still doesn't excuse Boris though

[Crimson Dynamo]

they are all at it

utter wankers

If they think anyone will listen to any more restrictions they are living in cloud cukoo land

f them all

[joeysteele]

Well I'd count it a bonus if both leaders ended up going.
I don't like either of them.

I just get more mad thinking of protecting myself and much moreso my Mum.
In rules laid down to do so, while leaders do whatever they like.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I'd count it a bonus if both leaders ended up going.
I don't like either of them.

I just get more mad thinking of protecting myself and much moreso my Mum.
In rules laid down to do so, while leaders do whatever they like.

i think 99.99% of the GBP share that view

[bots]

99.995432879%:hee:

[Zizu]

On a side note ... it’s kinda sad how strong a grip Alcohol has on the majority of people these days ... all these scandals have alcohol at their centre .

I’m probably the only one at work who’s evening / weekend , days out and holidays aren’t based solely around how much alcohol will be drunk or will be available

Some travel thousands of miles and never stray away from the pool bar .

Then we have our young people who are getting tipsy BEFORE they even go out for the night ( of more drinking)

So many older ones will readily admit to drinking far too much wine each evening ...


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[smudgie]

Well I'd count it a bonus if both leaders ended up going.
I don't like either of them.

I just get more mad thinking of protecting myself and much moreso my Mum.
In rules laid down to do so, while leaders do whatever they like.

Don’t get mad Joey.
Just remember you have kept your mum safe, that’s what counts, not what irresponsible idiots have been doing.

[Zizu]

Now footage emerges of Sir Keir Starmer drinking a beer with staff last year when Covid rules were still in place: Tories accuse him of hypocrisy

May 2021

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[Zizu]

Now footage emerges of Sir Keir Starmer drinking a beer with staff last year when Covid rules were still in place: Tories accuse him of hypocrisy

May 2021

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Presumably he will have to come forward and explain himself ??


Or is it one rule for one and ...

;)


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[arista]

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[arista]

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That Couple at the top of the Paper
that say Dogs are better than kids
are Freaks

[arista]

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[arista]

Posted on the Starmer thread, as well.

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[Zizu]

Posted on the Starmer thread, as well.

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We shouldn’t trust any politicians to make the important decisions for the country ..
Let them control the roads and highways etc


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[LaLaLand]

That Starmer thing was going around last year iirc and was proven to have been all above board rules-wise? (Unlike Downing Street's rave ups).

See dates (found on Twitter):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJHeV2aWYAEktal?format=jpg&name=large

[UserSince2005]

Ratty Starman is the biggest hipocrite of them all.

[Zizu]

Final nail in the political coffin surely?

1472646544524460040

I’m ****ing fuming.


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[Zizu]

The table nearest to the camera is Boris, Dominic Cummings (left) and what looks like, based on the hair, could be Allegra Stratton holding a dog/cat? Man with glasses and arms in the air I don’t recognise.

Unbelievable.


Who do you recognise in the Starmer photo , Sherlock ?


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[joeysteele]

That Starmer thing was going around last year iirc and was proven to have been all above board rules-wise? (Unlike Downing Street's rave ups).

See dates (found on Twitter):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJHeV2aWYAEktal?format=jpg&name=large



Yes it was reported on last year.
I knew I'd seen and heard about it previously.

Apparently it was during the campaign for the by election in Hartlepool.

It's quite odd the media couldn't make a major issue of it at that time.
Accepted the explanation and now are re- reporting it now.

It still irritates me, that any leaders or MPs were engaging in drinks etc in any scenarios, no matter who they are.

However, it's interesting to see hard-line Cons and closet hardline Cons, really hammering now, this instance.
While some of them are sidestepping the now endless list of rule breaking allegations on some, while others are proven and admitted, after being caught out as to Downing Street and other notable Conservative premises.

Plus too, the email of bring your own booze, well there's full intent shown to break the rules.
That's also the one Johnson himself appeared at and DIDN'T bring it to an end.
However stayed present at it for 25 minutes.

We need much better leadership in the Country for sure and certainly there's no national party who has a really good leader.

However there's one who has shown himself a disgrace in power and that's Johnson.
A man who is Prime Minister and should control his government and protect the Country.
Who then hasn't a clue he claims as to what is happening in his base and workplace, which is also his home.
Who cannot tell the difference between a party and people working.
Well he is either just as usual politically lying and being deceitful or needs medical help.

For me it's the former and surely in my view, those patriotic Conservative backbenchers who have a strong sense of fair play.
For them now the April eve of the funeral of Prince Philip where the Queen herself obeyed the rules, couldn't even have one of her attendants at her side during the funeral.
With that covered up until being revealed 2 days ago.

Surely that must make them think more to get rid of this habitual politically deceitful lying creep Johnson.

It's beyond common sense never mind anything else to have to believe all that's gone in at Downing Street, the heart of government, could do so without his knowledge.

The list seems ever growing.
I repeat the admissions and apologies only coming because they've been CAUGHT OUT.
Otherwise no one would have known anything.
So hollow apologies all round.

[LaLaLand]

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See above, Sherlock. ;)

[Zizu]

See above, Sherlock. ;)


I was hoping for names as you’d named everyone in the garden party photo ..


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[arista]

BBC Text:
[Fallout from the Downing Street parties
which took place during coronavirus restrictions continues
to dominate the front pages.
The Sunday Times says Boris Johnson is planning a
raft of "populist" announcements and a clearout of No 10
in a bid to hold onto his premiership.
The paper says the PM is refusing to take responsibility
for the crisis engulfing Downing Street.
A senior government source is quoted as
telling the paper: "Boris's view is that he is not to blame.
That everyone else is to blame."]

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[arista]

BBC Text:
[But the Observer has spoken with Conservative MPs who,
the paper says, are poised to force
Mr Johnson out of No 10 if he tries to dodge responsibility.
Furious voter reaction has persuaded Tory MPs
to act against Mr Johnson if Sue Gray's investigation
is critical of him or his Downing Street operation,
the paper adds.
Meanwhile, the main image on the front page is
of the moment the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Haʻapai volcano
in the South Pacific erupted on Saturday,
leading to warnings from the US and Japan of tsunami waves.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

BBC Text :
[Downing Street comes as the
government is planning to tax party supplies,
introducing a levy on plastic glasses,
cutlery and balloons.]
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[arista]

1482338167604846598

[Zizu]

BBC Text :
[Downing Street comes as the
government is planning to tax party supplies,
introducing a levy on plastic glasses,
cutlery and balloons.]
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So if he doesn’t sack the incompetent individuals he’s in the wrong yet if he DOES sack the incompetent individuals then he’s in the wrong ?!?


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[Cherie]

1482338167604846598

Class :joker:

[joeysteele]

BBC Text:
[Fallout from the Downing Street parties
which took place during coronavirus restrictions continues
to dominate the front pages.
The Sunday Times says Boris Johnson is planning a
raft of "populist" announcements and a clearout of No 10
in a bid to hold onto his premiership.
The paper says the PM is refusing to take responsibility
for the crisis engulfing Downing Street.
A senior government source is quoted as
telling the paper: "Boris's view is that he is not to blame.
That everyone else is to blame."]

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He should begin then with himself.
Not try to mislead and deceive again.

He's a disgrace to the office of Prime Minister.
He makes Theresa May look like a competent breath of fresh air.

[Zizu]

He should begin then with himself.
Not try to mislead and deceive again.

He's a disgrace to the office of Prime Minister.
He makes Theresa May look like a competent breath of fresh air.


To be fair ‘most’ Labour politicians and voters simply want Boris out as they know that when it comes to the debating and voting Boris always does well so if they can get him out they have a better chance in the polls .

It’s only Labour and the media who are hounding him now .. and the media are just out to find ( and create ) news stories and get views and clicks - all the ones who liked or voted for Boris haven’t turned against him .

You get him out and the new PM gets all the adulation then in a month or do when the news is quiet ... the media will turn on the new person and start looking for the negatives and digging for the dirt on them .

It’s all so bladdy predictable and it’s been like this for over 50 years !!


I guess the only thing different is that millions of people ( including many non voters ) genuinely LIKE Boris as a person .. quite a rarity in politics .


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[joeysteele]

To be fair ‘most’ Labour politicians and voters simply want Boris out as they know that when it comes to the debating and voting Boris always does well so if they can get him out they have a better chance in the polls .

It’s only Labour and the media who are hounding him now .. and the media are just out to find ( and create ) news stories and get views and clicks - all the ones who liked or voted for Boris haven’t turned against him .

You get him out and the new PM gets all the adulation then in a month or do when the news is quiet ... the media will turn on the new person and start looking for the negatives and digging for the dirt on them .

It’s all so bladdy predictable and it’s been like this for over 50 years !!


I guess the only thing different is that millions of people ( including many non voters ) genuinely LIKE Boris as a person .. quite a rarity in politics .


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You are incorrect.

I think Johnson should resign but I believe it's now a likely asset to Labour and other opposition parties if he stayed.

For his habitual deceit and misleading he shouldn't stay though.
Plus there's Labour MPs who think him still in place would further be beneficial to the opposition.

Any election campaign with him as leader will have all this scandal of parties hounding the Cons campaign.

A new leader, not tarnished by the partying scandals would likely do much better.
With less reminding of it and the PM it happened under.

I just don't think this habitual deceiver and blatant liar should ever have been PM.
He's an insult to the previous Con PMs there have been.

Even the 2 before him.
That's why I think he should go or be got rid of by his Party.
Even though I believe he'd be now more a liability to the Cons in an election.
More than another leader would be.

[Zizu]

You are incorrect.

I think Johnson should resign but I believe it's now a likely asset to Labour and other opposition parties if he stayed.

For his habitual deceit and misleading he shouldn't stay though.
Plus there's Labour MPs who think him still in place would further be beneficial to the opposition.

Any election campaign with him as leader will have all this scandal of parties hounding the Cons campaign.

A new leader, not tarnished by the partying scandals would likely do much better.
With less reminding of it and the PM it happened under.

I just don't think this habitual deceiver and blatant liar should ever have been PM.
He's an insult to the previous Con PMs there have been.

Even the 2 before him.
That's why I think he should go or be got rid of by his Party.
Even though I believe he'd be now more a liability to the Cons in an election.
More than another leader would be.


Guess we will have to continually disagree on most things


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[LaLaLand]

Another one!

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[bots]

i just want him gone now, like millions of others i think

[Zizu]

i just want him gone now, like millions of others i think


Who will be better ??

Rishi seems like a clever and lovely guy but he looks to be scared of his own shadow ..


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[arista]

Newspapers are claiming 20 to 35 letters have gone in,
against the PM


54 to reach

[bots]

Who will be better ??

Rishi seems like a clever and lovely guy but he looks to be scared of his own shadow ..


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someone who isn't a lazy, corrupt, liar would be a good start :laugh:

[MTVN]

someone who isn't a lazy, corrupt, liar would be a good start :laugh:

Now come on you're setting the bar a bit high there

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you ever wondered why these pics and leaks did not come out when we were in Lockdown when the effect would have been huge?

[arista]

Have you ever wondered why these pics and leaks did not come out when we were in Lockdown when the effect would have been huge?


Could be Don Cummings
who is bitter

[arista]

Posting again
from Saturday Dom on the Front page

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[arista]

On BBCnewsHD
before 11AM

Victoria Derbyshire
went to a 4 screen set up
her and 3 Voters


All giving their troubles
with the Lockdown.


One refused to vote Conservative, again.

But the Other 2 said they would Vote Conservative.



Victoria should do that again.


Sign Of The Times

[Zizu]

someone who isn't a lazy, corrupt, liar would be a good start :laugh:


Can’t be many of those around tbh


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[Zizu]

Have you ever wondered why these pics and leaks did not come out when we were in Lockdown when the effect would have been huge?


Political chess ... none of them care about anything other than themselves
.


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[Zizu]

Posting again
from Saturday Dom on the Front page

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Liz Truss !!

The media would have a field day .. what with ‘the affair’ and her surname . I can practically visualise the cartoons..



Whilst I really , really like Rishi Sunak ... he seems too reserved and nervous imho

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[Zizu]

Newspapers are claiming 20 to 35 letters have gone in,
against the PM


54 to reach


Sounds like pure speculation ...

20 or 21 maybe ...

20 to 35 looks like the news desk was quiet this morning ..


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[Zizu]

Could be Don Cummings
who is bitter


If the government were sooooo corrupt why haven’t they paid him off or frightened him away ??


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[bots]

If the government were sooooo corrupt why haven’t they paid him off or frightened him away ??


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they don't pay out money, they just take it, and they really don't care what anyone says because an inquiry can easily be thrown away and they can lie when needed

[Zizu]

they don't pay out money, they just take it, and they really don't care what anyone says because an inquiry can easily be thrown away and they can lie when needed


What about all the supposed bribery that goes on continually... lucrative contracts handed out etc etc


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[bots]

What about all the supposed bribery that goes on continually... lucrative contracts handed out etc etc


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it's the mp's that get bribe handouts though, never the other way round

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[glib]

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According to the BBC some of her highlights (no pun) are her husband is a ‘country singer’ and she once ‘ran a pub’ in NI.

[rusticgal]

Could be Don Cummings
who is bitter


Christ Dominic Cummings really is a bitter little man….to think it was Boris who supported him through all of his transparent lies…

[bots]

Christ Dominic Cummings really is a bitter little man….to think it was Boris who supported him through all of his transparent lies…

that was obviously because cummings had a load of crap on boris :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

According to the BBC some of her highlights (no pun) are her husband is a ‘country singer’ and she once ‘ran a pub’ in NI.

And noone knows her age

[Zizu]

that was obviously because cummings had a load of crap on boris :laugh:


It is rather interesting that nobody believed a damn word Cummings said last year ( when it suited them ) but now suddenly the same people .. Labour MPs , media outlets and a few in here are suddenly hanging on his every word

:)


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[bots]

The prime minister's former top aide Dominic Cummings has said Boris Johnson was warned about No 10 holding a drinks party during lockdown.

Mr Cummings - who has been strongly critical of Mr Johnson since he left No 10 - says the PM "waved aside" concerns about the gathering.

Mr Johnson has admitted he attended the event on 20 May 2020, but says he believed it was work-related.

No 10 said it was "untrue" to say Mr Johnson was "warned about the event".

A Downing Street spokesman added: "As he said earlier this week, he believed implicitly that this was a work event. He has apologised to the House and is committed to making a further statement once the investigation concludes."

Last week, Mr Johnson said he went to the gathering in the Downing Street garden and stayed at the drinks for 25 minutes to thank staff for their hard work.

However Mr Cummings, who worked in No 10 at the time of the party, has insisted Mr Johnson "knew he was at a drinks party cos he was told it was a drinks party and it was actually a drinks party".

Writing in his blog, Mr Cummings added further detail about his account of the discussions leading up to the party on 20 May.

The former advisor wrote that the day in 2020 was a "particularly intense shambles" of a day.

He alleged that Mr Johnson's principal private secretary (PPS), Martin Reynolds, had sent out the email inviting 100 staff to "socially distanced drinks in the No 10 garden", but "a very senior official replied by email saying the invite broke the rules".

"The PPS went to the official's office where they discussed it. The PPS declined to withdraw the invite. I told the PPS the invite broke the rules."

After discussing it, Mr Cummings claimed the PPS said he would "check with the PM if he's happy for it to go ahead", adding: "I am sure he did check with the PM."

Mr Cummings said he then challenged Mr Johnson himself. "I said to the PM something like, 'Martin's invited the building to a drinks party, this is what I'm talking about, you've got to grip this madhouse'."

But he added: "The PM waved it aside."

He said his account showed that "the PM lied to Parliament about parties".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60028895

Cummings is really bitter :joker:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

So why is nobody in the media referring to the fact that Cummings was regarded as no more than a laughing stock after his infamous, embarrassing live interview ??

Yet now he’s suddenly being taken seriously when it’s clear that he’s got an axe to grind ?


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[LaLaLand]

Oh look, once again something monumentally bad has come out about him and he’s out in his colourful shorts and hat running around acting the clown.

Honestly so transparent, he does this time and time again. He always does this. Deflection tactics.

[Zizu]

Oh look, once again something monumentally bad has come out about him and he’s out in his colourful shorts and hat running around acting the clown.

Honestly so transparent, he does this time and time again. He always does this. Deflection tactics.


Looks like he’s on a run and has his dawg with him .. can’t think of anything odd about that at all


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[Oliver_W]

So why is nobody in the media referring to the fact that Cummings was regarded as no more than a laughing stock after his infamous, embarrassing live interview ??

Yet now he’s suddenly being taken seriously when it’s clear that he’s got an axe to grind ?


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Two things can be true at once - one of the horrid creatures who formerly danced to BoJo's tune can be a laughing stock, AND he can have things to say about his time in the madhouse.

[Zizu]

Two things can be true at once - one of the horrid creatures who formerly danced to BoJo's tune can be a laughing stock, AND he can have things to say about his time in the madhouse.


Only fools would believe a proven liar

There are people in here quoting Cummings as gospel yet when he claimed last year that he drove 30 miles to test his vision - they doubted his word


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[bots]

it's obviously been a cultural thing at number 10. What Boris thinks is a work event is irrelevant if the majority of voters don't believe it is

I believe that they all knew it was pushing the rules and they just didn't care, it was a case of do as i say, not as i do.

Boris is responsible for it, it was his staff, working under his direction. He can protest all he likes but he is a dead man walking.

It's a case of when not if he resigns.

[Zizu]

it's obviously been a cultural thing at number 10. What Boris thinks is a work event is irrelevant if the majority of voters don't believe it is

I believe that they all knew it was pushing the rules and they just didn't care, it was a case of do as i say, not as i do.

Boris is responsible for it, it was his staff, working under his direction. He can protest all he likes but he is a dead man walking.

It's a case of when not if he resigns.


I think this will all pass ... Labour just chancing their arm trying to get lucky at a difficult time for Boris .


I bet they’re working on the next scandal as we speak ...

Breaking News ... Boris doesn’t write his own Christmas cards .. he must resign NOW

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[bots]

Boris has been sailing close to the wind for years. I never liked him, never trusted him. What we are seeing is a symptom of him. Just the person that he is.

I can only speak for me and say i would prefer someone else in charge. Who that could be, i have no idea as they are all a shower and that includes all parties.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Essentially Cummings (a woman-hater) took massive Umbridge when Carrie arrived and his nose is firmly out of joint and this is the result

[AnnieK]

Only fools would believe a proven liar

There are people in here quoting Cummings as gospel yet when he claimed last year that he drove 30 miles to test his vision - they doubted his word


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Come on Zizu....ALL politicians are proven liars. You are looking at Boris through some seriously rose tinted glasses if you think anything else. £350million to the NHS...anyone???

[rusticgal]

So why is nobody in the media referring to the fact that Cummings was regarded as no more than a laughing stock after his infamous, embarrassing live interview ??

Yet now he’s suddenly being taken seriously when it’s clear that he’s got an axe to grind ?


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I know right...he has turned into a right little weasel...considering Boris supported all his pathetic lies.
This whole story is just embarressing....so much going on in the world and all we can focus on is a party at No.10.....

[bots]

in many, many cases, you use people down the chain to pin the responsibility on the people at the top. It is how mafia bosses have been prosecuted, it is how whistle blowing came about. No one suggests these lower down the chain are innocent, it's a means of getting to the people responsible.

I don't think the public would have been aware of the bring your own booze party if Cummings hadn't spilt the beans

[Zizu]

Boris has been sailing close to the wind for years. I never liked him, never trusted him. What we are seeing is a symptom of him. Just the person that he is.

I can only speak for me and say i would prefer someone else in charge. Who that could be, i have no idea as they are all a shower and that includes all parties.


I’ve a similar stance on the other options . . be careful what you wish for


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[Zizu]

Come on Zizu....ALL politicians are proven liars. You are looking at Boris through some seriously rose tinted glasses if you think anything else. £350million to the NHS...anyone???


I’ve said all along that I wouldn’t trust any politician but there’s something likeable and different about Boris as millions of Brits will testify


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[AnnieK]

I’ve said all along that I wouldn’t trust any politician but there’s something likeable and different about Boris as millions of Brits will testify


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Oh if he's likeable that's ok then? I, and millions of others, don't buy the loveable buffoon act. He is a proven liar, over and again about the pandemic and Brexit. Being likeable doesn't change excuse his lies. Cummings is a weasel but they were as thick as thieves once covering each others lies. Both are politically dangerous men.

[Zizu]

Oh if he's likeable that's ok then? I, and millions of others, don't buy the loveable buffoon act. He is a proven liar, over and again about the pandemic and Brexit. Being likeable doesn't change excuse his lies. Cummings is a weasel but they were as thick as thieves once covering each others lies. Both are politically dangerous men.


Well I agree that he ‘plays’ the fool/ buffoon as he’s a very , very intelligent guy .

So many seem to think he’s a complete idiot but maybe they’re just easily fooled ?


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[arista]

Johnson is at a Hospital Finchley Hospital, North London

Taking questions from Beth


SkyNewsHD



He says nobody told him.
Cummings has it wrong.

[Zizu]

Johnson is at a Hospital

Taking questions from Beth


SkyNewsHD


Beth is such a cheeky b*tch ... calling the Prime Minister out on live TV for supposedly breaking Covid rules when SHE herself was suspended for three months for attending Kay Burley’s illegal party !!


Does she really think that he reads his own emails ffs :)

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Sky News political editor Beth Rigby is back on air after being suspended over Kay Burley's Covid rule-breaching 60th birthday bash


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[Zizu]

Boris should say that he will resign if Beth resigns :)


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[arista]

Yes she keeps repeating so much.


"let me try one day time"

No Beth - Shut it.


He will not resign

Wait for the report.

[Zizu]

Yes she keeps repeating so much.


"let me try one day time"

No Beth - Shut it.


He will not resign

Wait for the report.


I wish he would turn the tables on Beth and demand that she explains why she attended that illegal party ..

Maybe he’s just too nice as I’ve said before


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