The Conservative Party New Leader race ELIZABETH TRUSS WINS

[arista]

I dont get why Talk TV lost the feed after 5 mins tho?



I do
Lizz ran over to Kate


She may have banged her head.



It takes time to get a medic there



If Lizz stayed in her position
maybe they could

[Oliver_W]

Liz's reaction is the first time I've been convinced she's actually human.

[arista]

Liz's reaction is the first time I've been convinced she's actually human.



True


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[arista]

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At the Start

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do
Lizz ran over to Kate


She may have banged her head.



It takes time to get a medic there



If Lizz stayed in her position
maybe they could

no the faint was like 30 mins in Talk TV lost feed after 5 mins

[MTVN]

no the faint was like 30 mins in Talk TV lost feed after 5 mins

It was fine for me on freeview until that happened

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was fine for me on freeview until that happened

must have just been their youtube feed

[arista]

Ian Collins Live
Took over

[Zizu]

Liz's reaction is the first time I've been convinced she's actually human.


I thought exactly that !

Although she did glance across to Rishi before she went to check on poor Kate


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[arista]

It was a Loud Bang
maybe she took the Podium down with her


Glad Reports say Kate is now Fine

[arista]

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Another Tweet showing Liz walk over to Kate
who fainted,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Liz, queen of compassion while the snake Sunak was busy on his Nokia checking his share prices

[Zizu]

Liz, queen of compassion while the snake Sunak was busy on his Nokia checking his share prices


She didn’t run straight to her though .. she did glance across to Rishi first for some strange reason


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[UserSince2005]

I thought Rishi had dropped his wallet.
Poor Kate McCann, first maddie disappearing and now fainting on live tv
I must say even with the medical emergency she did a much better job than bbcs sophie and her two nodding dogs.

[Jordan.]

Talk TV producers are gonna be loving this their viewership is about to skyrocket, they might even crack the hundreds.

[Zizu]

Talk TV producers are gonna be loving this their viewership is about to skyrocket, they might even crack the hundreds.


It’s good PR for Katie as well


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[Oliver_W]

Talk TV producers are gonna be loving this their viewership is about to skyrocket, they might even crack the hundreds.

*Dozens

[Oliver_W]

I thought exactly that !

Although she did glance across to Rishi before she went to check on poor Kate


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He might not have mentioned it before, but his mum was a pharmacist. Maybe she thought he might know something?

[The Slim Reaper]

It's hilarious watching tories telling the public how terrible they've been for the last 12 years. :laugh:

[bots]

It's hilarious watching tories telling the public how terrible they've been for the last 12 years. :laugh:

they are just being honest :laugh:

[UserSince2005]

It's hilarious watching tories telling the public how terrible they've been for the last 12 years. :laugh:

Because everyone knows just how much worst labour would have been :joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

they are just being honest :laugh:

It's even funnier knowing they'll vote them straight back in at the earliest opportunity

[Crimson Dynamo]

Talk TV producers are gonna be loving this their viewership is about to skyrocket, they might even crack the hundreds.

https://media.info/radio/stations/talkradio/listening-figures

stop lying m8te

[Oliver_W]

It's hilarious watching tories telling the public how terrible they've been for the last 12 years. :laugh:

Don't tell me they're still on about "the mess they inherited" in 2010 ?!

[Beso]

How rishi dont win.

We need a woman in charge again.

[joeysteele]

Didn't watch it.
I never watch Talk TV.
Can't bear anyone on that channel.

However I do hope Kate is okay.

[Zizu]

Didn't watch it.
I never watch Talk TV.
Can't bear anyone on that channel.

However I do hope Kate is okay.


Petrie is watchable as are James Whale & Ash


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Petrie is watchable as are James Whale & Ash


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Ian Collins at 1 is an excellent well thought out show

[joeysteele]

Petrie is watchable as are James Whale & Ash


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Hmm.
I may give them a look in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hmm.
I may give them a look in.

Joey James Whale is not typical right wing, he has cancer and does not hold back, its a really good listen

he rips into the tories every night

worth a listen

brave chap

[joeysteele]

Joey James Whale is not typical right wing, he has cancer and does not hold back, its a really good listen

he rips into the tories every night

worth a listen

brave chap


Thanks LT.

I'll look in on his programme.

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[bots]

Tory leadership hopeful Rishi Sunak has pledged to scrap the 5% VAT rate on household energy bills if prices continue to rise later this year.

The former chancellor, who has not promised tax cuts so far in his campaign, said the plan would help families with rising living costs.

Rival Liz Truss's campaign team described the move as desperate - accusing him of a "screeching U-turn".

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too funny

[Crimson Dynamo]

Apparently Boris was in the audience and missed Sunak with a blowdart

[Gusto Brunt]

I still can't believe Liz Truss is being considered as the leader of our country.:shrug:

Talk TV has apparently adopted her as their own. Mind-boggling. Kevin O'Sullivan almost salivated over her.:hehe:

Talk TV Twitter is also awash with posters who think Liz is just amazing.

Even some of the people who front GB News talk as if Liz is awesome in every way.:joker:

At least some on GB News recognise Liz as the hopeless person she is. Andrew Neil was one who I saw who thinks Liz doesn't know what she's talking about. David Mellor thinks she dross too.

At least there is some sanity regarding the election race.:hee:

[Gusto Brunt]

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I don't understand old guys like him who let their eyebrows grow. It takes nothing to trim them. How old is he? About 68 I think. Not that ancient but he's on the way to becoming like this: :joker:

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[arista]

No Gusto

He is 60 Years old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Lynch_(trade_unionist)

[Gusto Brunt]

No Gusto

He is 60 Years old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Lynch_(trade_unionist)

WT*!!:shocked:

[arista]

GMBHD itv
filmed the reaction
in the spin Room
as Kay fainted, Live 6:31PM

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[Crimson Dynamo]

would it be too much to say whey she fainted

did not eat enough??

why the silence as if its a BIG TABOO SUBJECT

[bots]

would it be too much to say whey she fainted

did not eat enough??

why the silence as if its a BIG TABOO SUBJECT

why do you need to know the cause?

[Crimson Dynamo]

why do you need to know the cause?

why do i not know?

[bots]

because it is someones private health information

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The Online Paper

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[arista]

A Conservative Regional Local Hustings
takes place in Leeds tonight.


I would hope SkyNewsHD will cover it.
A more Crude online edition.

[Gusto Brunt]

At best Truss could have a teaching role at some comprehensive, or maybe a librarian.

But as a Prime Minister, a total joke.

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/

First Hustings about to commence

You can watch on Global Player app too

[arista]

Yes Live On LBC

now in Leeds



Rishi Vs Liz.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The members want Liz and so do the DT and DM

Rishi fatal u-turn on tax is no good

he is toast

[rusticgal]

Still waiting for it to start….

[Crimson Dynamo]

they are late

very annoying

[Crimson Dynamo]

starts now

[arista]

Live on SkyNewsHD

as well.

[rusticgal]

Look at the dickhead on the back row filming it all on his I-phone….kick the idiot out !!!

[arista]

Liz is now Live

Also on SkyNewsHD

[Crimson Dynamo]

Liz knocking it out the park

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rishi getting destroyed tonight

[joeysteele]

Both really cringing.

What a choice from 358 Con MPs.
These are the best they've got.
Chronic.

Sunak answered better.
The alien lookalike was awful.
She's going to look at this, look at that.
Simplify things like the benefit structures too even.

Who on earth does deluded Truss think has more complicated these things over the last 12 YEARS.
Yes, the government SHE has been part of.

Totally hopeless.

I now kind of hope she does win.
Labour has a pretty bad leader but in my view a mannequin from a store window should be able to wipe the floor with Truss.

She's like a weird and warped cross between Mrs May and Jo Swinson as to being deluded too.

The next election is going to be a great one if people want to be put to sleep that is.

Two personality dead leaders of the 2 main Parties.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Kate McCann back at work
but staying seated more.

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[arista]

NewsnightHD BBC2

Was at the event
met the people at Leeds
as the left.
Many remain undecided.

Some prefer Local Liz.


A few prefer Rich Rishi.

[arista]

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[arista]

7:30PM

Ch4HD Andrew Neil Interview's Rishi Sunak

[arista]

Live Now

Ch4HD

[joeysteele]

Andrew Neill is a toughie interviewer.

Is the other ornament going to be interviewed by him too.

[joeysteele]

Andrew Neill is a toughie interviewer.

Is the other ornament going to be interviewed by him too.

[joeysteele]

Oh surprise surprise.
Andrew Neill stated the false as much as anyone can be Truss, has refused to do an Andrew Neill interview.

[joeysteele]

Oh surprise surprise.
Andrew Neill stated the false as much as anyone can be Truss, has refused to do an Andrew Neill interview.

[MTVN]

Sunak got slaughtered

[joeysteele]

Sunak got slaughtered

He did, very much so.

[Alf]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Kemi Live on GBnewsHD
is not declaring who she is backing.

That way she can work
with whoever wins the race
Liz or Rishi

[Alf]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/995C/production/_126106293_thetimes-nc.jpgVardy looks like Buzz Off from He-Man in that picture.

You'd have to know who Buzz Off was to understand.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Now will Kemi follow and bury Sunak?

[arista]

Now will Kemi follow and bury Sunak?

She will not say.
She said that way she can work for which ever one
wins

[arista]

Pathetic Sunak
rushing to try to
please old Conservative voters

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[bots]

Conservative leadership hopeful Rishi Sunak has said he would introduce a £10 fine for patients who repeatedly miss GP or hospital appointments.

Mr Sunak told the Sunday Telegraph he wanted to be "transformational" and "do something brave and... different".

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Yeah, fine people who are already struggling to pay for anything. Great strategy. The problem is in getting an appointment from a chronic shortage of doctors. The solution is to attract more doctors not to fine people

[bots]

Conservative leadership hopeful Rishi Sunak has said he would introduce a £10 fine for patients who repeatedly miss GP or hospital appointments.

Mr Sunak told the Sunday Telegraph he wanted to be "transformational" and "do something brave and... different".

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Yeah, fine people who are already struggling to pay for anything. Great strategy. The problem is in getting an appointment from a chronic shortage of doctors. The solution is to attract more doctors not to fine people

[arista]

Conservative leadership hopeful Rishi Sunak has said he would introduce a £10 fine for patients who repeatedly miss GP or hospital appointments.

Mr Sunak told the Sunday Telegraph he wanted to be "transformational" and "do something brave and... different".

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Yeah, fine people who are already struggling to pay for anything. Great strategy. The problem is in getting an appointment from a chronic shortage of doctors. The solution is to attract more doctors not to fine people



Yes they stated that on GBnewsHD
longer paper review.

Sunak rushing out tricks
to try to win the Leadership,
pathetic,


If you go back a page
your Duplicate post
needs deleting

[joeysteele]

These 2 are near promising,well rather more just saying possibly with no real meaning behind it.
To actually do more in around 2 years than any other PM has done in the previous 5 or more years.

It's like they are sidestepping the cost of living crisis which NO ONE has any idea of where that may be in a year off even.
The Ukraine situation as to effects on the World from that still to come.

Truss is planning a housing revolution
Quite what this false individual means as to that is unclear.
I think every new PM in even just my lifetime has promised a housing shake up.
Yet nothing ever delivered.

Are Con members really this bad that they cannot see the false tripe being spouted by both of these failures already.

Sunak is seen as a backstabber re Johnson.
The only person who stabbed Johnson in the back was Johnson himself, by his lawbreaking, deceit and lies and even trying to cover up an alleged sexual predator.

As for Truss, nothing of the wrong Johnson did would have had her give up her lucrative Ministerial post.
So she'd have allowed and enabled even MORE deceit, lies and wrongdoing.

These 2 honestly are the best the Cons can offer the UK after 2 failed attempts of new leaders already in just the last 3 years.
ALL powers that be then iterally please help the UK with either of these 2 shambolic and desperate candidates.

[joeysteele]

As for charging patients missing GP appointments.

It's not that easy to get GP appointments anyhow lately.
It's not often I've gone to one but times I have it's been anything up to and even over 45 minutes past the appointment time where I've eventually been seen.
So will a payment be made for GPs not seeing patients on time.

I think it wrong to be missing appointments obviously, I'm not sure however that fining patients is going to create a warm climate between Doctors and patients however.

[arista]

Back a page the Sunday Mirror Front page
Sums up Rich Rishi.


His new Heated Pool in one of his homes
is just being finished
but the nearby Public Swimming Pool
is soon to close.

[bots]

for things to change in any meaningful way, there needs to be a fundamentally different approach to many aspects of life and that applies to all political parties. To do that, it needs money which the country just doesn't have, so everything we hear now is quite frankly nonsense

[bots]

Ministers have criticised Nadine Dorries for sharing a doctored image of Rishi Sunak wielding a knife behind Boris Johnson's back.

The culture secretary retweeted an image of the PM depicted as Julius Caesar about to be stabbed in the back by Mr Sunak, in the role of Brutus.

Greg Hands said it was "dangerous", while Sir Robert Buckland said it was "not just incendiary - it's wrong".

An ally of Ms Dorries said it was "obviously a satirical image".

Shortly before sharing the picture that was posted by another account on Twitter, Ms Dorries also wrote that Mr Sunak had "stabbed Boris Johnson in the back".

Mr Hands said he was sure Foreign Secretary Liz Truss - who is being backed by Ms Dorries - would "disown this kind of behaviour".

The business minister, who is a supporter of Mr Sunak said: "It's not even a year since the stabbing of Sir David Amess at his Southend constituency surgery. It is very, very bad taste - dangerous even.

"I do find it distasteful and less than a year after the stabbing."

Fellow Conservative MP Sir David was stabbed to death by Islamic State fanatic Ali Harbi Ali in Essex in October last year. Ali has since been jailed for life for the murder.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62369858

Seriously bad taste after the mp murders we have had

[Liam-]

Nadine Dories is very obviously unwell and needs some serious help, not only is she just generally very bad at her job, but she appears to be under the influence of something in most of her tv appearances these days, she is severely unfit for public office

[arista]

Nadine Dories is very obviously unwell and needs some serious help, not only is she just generally very bad at her job, but she appears to be under the influence of something in most of her tv appearances these days, she is severely unfit for public office


Not a problem
Sept the 6th
New Cabinet

[joeysteele]

Dorries is unbelievably pathetic.
Deluded and frankly she doesn't seem right.

Frightening that people like her even get elected never mind be trusted with being a Minister.

[arista]

BBC Text:
[The paper reports on Tory leadership
hopeful Rishi Sunak's pledge to cut
income tax to its lowest level in 30 years,
as he vows to cut the basic rate
from 20% to 16% if he gets the keys to No 10.
The move has been branded a tactical "flip-flop"
by a source in Liz Truss' camp, according to the paper.]


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[arista]

BBC Text :
[It reports on Mr Sunak's 4% tax cut.
Conservative MPs have told the paper that
Mr Sunak and Ms Truss must stop trashing their
own party's record in government.]

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[arista]

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Great Remix

I hope GMBHD itv
show this.


BBC AM to scared?


GBnewsHD debated it
in depth on the great one hour
Headliners. 11PM Every Night
repeated at 5AM.

[bots]

they are both completely blinded by ambition

[arista]

Sure
but a Winner could come sooner
if Rich Rishi buggered off

[arista]

Kate McCann of TalkTV HD

Is walking to be seated
on GMBHD itv

To talk to them.


She is Fine
the medic kept asking her
what age she was.
A check they do.

She is fine
sticking with being a seated presenter

[arista]

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[arista]

Exeter Regional Hustings today

I hope SkyNewsHD play the Online feed

Good on GMBHD itv
sending a reporter down there.

[arista]

Exeter Husting Live on SkyNewsHD


Penny Mordaunt, Introducing Liz


SkyNews will go back
when Liz and Rishi Speak

[joeysteele]

Even some of my own Con contacts are fed up of this.
Plus don't think either of these have anything about them.

I hope Truss wins, she will be a likely nightmare in an election campaign.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[MTVN]

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[arista]

Cheers for the Live link LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh it stopped

[Crimson Dynamo]

new

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

hopefully he will talk about his mum as a pharmacist

[Crimson Dynamo]

check

[arista]

Good on the Sun

For showing the Live Hustings

[bots]

Politics is so fickle (faecal) that it's anyone's guess who will win a GE. The tories will pick the time that best suits them so we will see

[arista]

Liz Live now

[Crimson Dynamo]

here comes Liz
Penny says yes

[arista]

Rishi is rushing through it.


The hustings has ended


Cardiff Live on Weds

[joeysteele]

Politics is so fickle (faecal) that it's anyone's guess who will win a GE. The tories will pick the time that best suits them so we will see

I think it's a safe bet that the next election is closed in on at the earliest Autumn next year or Spring to Summer 2024.

They are sort of boxed in to that.

So much going on, the cost of living crisis to hit in October then possibly worse again to March and April bills next year.
Isn't going to reflect well for any election before the Autumn of 2023.
That's when the new proposed boundary changes will be in place.
Giving a probable 10 more seats to the Cons and taking 4 off Labour.

The public independent inquiry into the pandemic starts next year and the likely leakage from the early part of the pandemic will be far from good for the Cons.
Especially when the bereaved families get their say at said inquiry.

Plus Ukraine, what further drain will that conflict continue to take from the UK resources.
Both these candidates are bound to continue all help financial and otherwise needed there.

I've no doubt the Cons can pull any lead back BUT they now not only have to reverse an average 7/8 point lead Labour has had for ages now.
They have to get at least 4% ahead to just get the barest majority.

Even if both parties were more level in percentages.
That, with all the anti Con votes from the other parties in parliament would see the Cons out.

So there seems only 18 months at best before they'll need to be thinking of a general election.
With all the obstacles of uncertainty of cost of living, Ukraine and anything else unexpected arising.

With either Sunak or Truss as PM of which neither could even get the votes of only HALF of their own MPs in a series of ballots, never mind convince really fed up voters who wanted to see real change.
Only seeing a continuance of possible deceit and only jam tomorrow, sometime.

If Labour don't see these incompetents off, then Labour deserve to stay in the doldrums.
These 2 candidates are absolutely pathetic.

Again I hope Truss wins.
She's a Mrs May type campaigner and seems as delusional as Jo Swinson of the Lib Dems.

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[arista]

[Liz Truss U-turns on public sector pay plan
after backlash from Conservatives

The leadership hopeful rules out introducing
regional pay boards to set wages less than
24 hours after announcing her latest pitch
to party members.]


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[The Slim Reaper]

Tories are cancer

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[bots]

it can either be described as a lie or a U-turn, whichever takes your fancy

[Cherie]

Apparently she said last night the government should just ignore Nicola Sturgeon, I mean what kind of diplomatic is she, even Bojo managed to be civil, that doesn't sound very prime minsterial to me

[bots]

Apparently she said last night the government should just ignore Nicola Sturgeon, I mean what kind of diplomatic is she, even Bojo managed to be civil, that doesn't sound very prime minsterial to me

it's the type of attitude that will make independence more likely

[The Slim Reaper]

Tories fcuked us out of Europe, so might as well destroy the union whilst they still have the chance. :laugh:

[joeysteele]

She's just spouting out any tripe without thinking or explaining anything.

She's like Mrs May and her badly planned so called dementia tax.
Honestly Truss is really deluded.

As to her comment on Nicola Sturgeon, what a gross insult to the voters of Scotland who elect Sturgeon.
For goodness sake Truss is supposed to be Foreign Secretary.

This really is the best the Cons can now present to the whole of the UK.
Farcical.

[The Slim Reaper]

She's just spouting out any tripe without thinking or explaining anything.

She's like Mrs May and her badly planned so called dementia tax.
Honestly Truss is really deluded.

As to her comment on Nicola Sturgeon, what a gross insult to the voters of Scotland who elect Sturgeon.
For goodness sake Truss is supposed to be Foreign Secretary.

This really is the best the Cons can now present to the whole of the UK.
Farcical.

Boris purged the tory party of anyone capable of common sense in 2019

[joeysteele]

Boris purged the tory party of anyone capable of common sense in 2019

While that's true Slim.
This election was SUPPOSED to be about cleaning up and having a REAL fresh start.

It's starting to look more like a desperate race for more of the same.
Courtesy of Con members.

This isn't from a Party in opposition it's from the Party in government .
Who are looking as only being masters of gross incompetence and not even trying to cover it up now even as to its incompetence.

[arista]

While that's true Slim.
This election was SUPPOSED to be about cleaning up and having a REAL fresh start.

It's starting to look more like a desperate race for more of the same.
Courtesy of Con members.

This isn't from a Party in opposition it's from the Party in government .
Who are looking as only being masters of gross incompetence and not even trying to cover it up now even as to its incompetence.


Joey
China's Covid-19
arrived at that election time
Everything is on hold.



NEVER skip that

[joeysteele]

Joey
China's Covid-19
arrived at that election time
Everything is on hold.



NEVER skip that

I was referring to this leadership election arista not the general election.

[bots]

when boris removed the whip on the competent tories and had them deselected at the last election it resulted in a parliamentary tory party that were only interested in feathering their own nests. I don't think that all of them are stupid (although many seem to be) but they don't give a fig about the people, they care about their latest back hander

[arista]

I was referring to this leadership election arista not the general election.



OK


Sorry.

[joeysteele]

OK


Sorry.

:joker: no need for sorry.
I maybe should have stated this leadership election in my post.

[hijaxers]

Just heard on Talk tv that party members have been getting letters saying that they can only vote once ! it is illegal to vote again ? Is there something really underhand going on here ???

[arista]

Just heard on Talk tv that party members have been getting letters saying that they can only vote once ! it is illegal to vote again ? Is there something really underhand going on here ???


Yes Hackers,

[arista]

BBCText :
[Voting in the Tory leadership election has
been delayed over warnings that hackers
could change people's ballots.
It says the concerns mean that plans to
allow members to change their vote up
until the final deadline have been scrapped as a result.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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For Joey

Political Scientist Prof Sir John Curtice
showing why any voting changes
are not wanted

[arista]

Another Local Hustings tonight
in Cardiff Live

I hope again SkyNewsHD shows it

GMBHD itv have their Lady Reporter there now
in the rain

[arista]

Only One Vote now.

A week for the postal one to arrive
for those old conservatives members that do not do online
or want to do it, online voting


GMBHD itv.

[joeysteele]

1554518861441077248


For Joey

Political Scientist Prof Sir John Curtice
showing why any voting changes
are not wanted


Not for me arista
Curtice has his own agenda.

Voting changes are wanted.
By voters, by all other Parties except the Cons.

I will push all I can to persuade Labour to adopt PR.
It would win an election I believe and have the support of every Party elected to Westminster.
Obviously not the Cons who don't believe in fairer voting and only want absolute power for their own extreme policy implementation.

It needs one of the 2 main Parties to accept PR.
Only Labour could be likely to.
PR in part is used in ALL other elections across the UK, except still for local and general elections.

I don't expect Cons to embrace it.
The only Party of all Parties not to want it.
Over 80% of Labour members want it.
Voters of Labour and other Parties too, ( not the Cons obviously).
Plus all other Parties.
Crikey even likely the DUP in N Ireland.

Curtice has his own agenda on things but I wholly disagree with him on this.

It has to be stopped that Parties can take really large overall majorities and govern with only around the support of 4 (+) of every 10 voters.
Thereby riding over the wishes and votes of the majority of voters.
That is now NOT the right kind of democracy.

Up to a quarter of voters now rarely support either of the 2 main Parties.
Their votes counting for nothing.
That's NOT a fair democracy any longer.

[arista]

"Curtice has his own agenda on things"


Good job the Professor
is not on this forum

[joeysteele]

"Curtice has his own agenda on things"


Good job the Professor
is not on this forum


I couldn't care one.bit if he was arista.
I'd tell him my view which is long held now.

It is wholly right that for to govern absolutely overall majorities that it should be you need 50% + of the votes cast.

In 2005 Labour governed with a 68 overall majority getting less than 36% of the votes.
That's obscene in a so called democracy.

The last election for only 43% of the votes put this extreme government in with an 80 overall majority.

The wishes of 55+% of voters meaningless.
All those voters with NO representation in or to government

Curtice likely doesn't like PR.
I find I don't agree with a lot of his own findings.

This now derided and tarnished political electoral system of government cannot be fixed or restore trust in by retaining this antiquated first past the post system.

Of course Cons would be screaming and panicking if PR was to become more a reality.
Not all Cons, I do know of Cons who now also support PR in some form.

[arista]

New

Wednesday 10 August

The People's Forum 5PM

GBnewsHD


Liz Truss Live


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZK7MhNWQA0tgUI?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Rishi Sunak will be Live Saturday 6 August

with Alistair Stewart

GBnewsHD

[Oliver_W]

Not for me arista
Curtice has his own agenda.

Voting changes are wanted.
By voters, by all other Parties except the Cons.

I will push all I can to persuade Labour to adopt PR.
It would win an election I believe and have the support of every Party elected to Westminster.
Obviously not the Cons who don't believe in fairer voting and only want absolute power for their own extreme policy implementation.

It needs one of the 2 main Parties to accept PR.
Only Labour could be likely to.
PR in part is used in ALL other elections across the UK, except still for local and general elections.

I don't expect Cons to embrace it.
The only Party of all Parties not to want it.
Over 80% of Labour members want it.
Voters of Labour and other Parties too, ( not the Cons obviously).
Plus all other Parties.
Crikey even likely the DUP in N Ireland.

Curtice has his own agenda on things but I wholly disagree with him on this.

It has to be stopped that Parties can take really large overall majorities and govern with only around the support of 4 (+) of every 10 voters.
Thereby riding over the wishes and votes of the majority of voters.
That is now NOT the right kind of democracy.

Up to a quarter of voters now rarely support either of the 2 main Parties.
Their votes counting for nothing.
That's NOT a fair democracy any longer.

The thing with PR though is that it wouldn't work with the current parliamentary system. We don't vote for the PM, or even the government - we vote for who we want to represent our constituency in the House of Commons. A PR system wouldn't be voting for a local MP.

[bots]

the only people that ever want to change the electoral system are those who are unhappy with the result. That's a fact. They are unable to accept democracy

[Nicky91]

on second thought Liz would be a horror option, since she is also partially responsible for adding more fuel to the fire in xenophobic hatred towards Russia

[joeysteele]

The thing with PR though is that it wouldn't work with the current parliamentary system. We don't vote for the PM, or even the government - we vote for who we want to represent our constituency in the House of Commons. A PR system wouldn't be voting for a local MP.

Oliver hi.

There's a great number of people in constituencies who haven't a clue who their MP currently is.

There are systems which can keep in the main constituency MP representation.

If things continue as they are then divisions across the UK will only widen.

Why can we have PR for the N Ireland elections, Welsh and Scottish elections.
Plus police and crime commissioner elections and also for ALL Mayoral elections.
However not for council and general elections.

We even had PR for the European elections too.

This system was fine when 2 Parties were taking 80+ to over 90+% of the votes cast.
Not now when they take massive overall majority power with around 40% of the votes only.
Against the votes of we'll over half of those who vote.

[joeysteele]

the only people that ever want to change the electoral system are those who are unhappy with the result. That's a fact. They are unable to accept democracy

No way.

I'd have wanted PR long before now.

The only ones who actually DON'T want PR and never will are those happy to see the votes of the majority dismissed for year after year in all elections as their Part gets absolute unfettered power to do whatever they like.

That's only the Cons.
Not all of them thankfully, some are seeing the light.

Those who want PR actually want all votes to count, properly representative of votes cast in elections .
Not overridden by a failing electoral system.

Which gave absolute power to someone like Johnson who then abused that power and trust too

PR would mean all votes coming to mean something and all votes to really count and make a difference.
It's no surprise to me however that PR would have Cons screeching and shaking in their boots.

It should never be in any democracy that around 40% of the votes can just dismiss and ignore the votes of way over 50% of the votes against.
By having absolute power.
No matter the Party in power.

50% of the seats for 50% of the votes.
That's true and real fair vote democracy.

[Oliver_W]

Those who want PR actually want all votes to count, properly representative of votes cast in elections .


Every vote does count, as we elect local MPs.

Would you want an American voting system?

[joeysteele]

Every vote does count, as we elect local MPs.

Would you want an American voting system?

I'd want no candidate elected who didn't get 50% of the votes cast.

A government given total power for only around 40% of the votes cast.
With anything from 25% to 30% not even bothering to vote even.
Is wrong now in my view.

So I support PR.
I believe over the first past the post system now more voters would prefer PR.

Certainly not however the more hard-line Con voters.
No surprise to me is that whatsoever.

It would mean for them and for my Party too that NO Party could govern alone in future and not get ridiculous overall majorities.
My hope would be that would move to a more consensus in both government and politics.

I'd love to see any polling on PR with ALL voters actually.
Not just the Con view of it's only losers who want it.

[The Slim Reaper]

1554735847781666817

Me being taken away

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o6MbbdcmK4FPrzUnm/200.gif

[Liam-]

And of course the free speech warriors will be ecstatic at that idea

[arista]

1554735847781666817

Me being taken away

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o6MbbdcmK4FPrzUnm/200.gif



Yes Slim getting Locked up
with a laptop.

[bots]

not at all similar to Russia and it's enforcement of the term "special operation" no no no

[Oliver_W]

1554735847781666817

Me being taken away

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That's ridiculous!

Hate preachers encouraging violence is one thing, but random nutters should be free to criticise the UK and especially her government.

[arista]

Back in 2014

0YxhIq6t6Fk

[arista]

Now it is One Vote only.

When the Ballot paper arrives in the post
in a week or so
they have a number
they can post back
or do online.


Ref: ITN

[joeysteele]

Back in 2014

0YxhIq6t6Fk

All powers that be, she's absolutely pathetic.

[bots]

All powers that be, she's absolutely pathetic.

i think you are being a bit generous there joey :laugh:

[joeysteele]

i think you are being a bit generous there joey :laugh:

Do you think so bots.
Maybe I need to rethink it :joker:

[arista]

We soon go Live in the next
Local Hustings, in Cardiff

Rishi Vs Liz.


[Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak met by protesters
as they arrive in Cardiff for leadership hustings]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-rishi-sunak-go-24658133

[arista]

LIVE FEED.


ULcLuRx__nI

[arista]

Introductions taking place


Finally Local Hustings is in London 31 August 2022

[arista]

Hannah Vaughan Jones
is presenting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Vaughan_Jones

First is Sunak.


Bossy Michael Howard Lord now talking
as an introduction to Sunak.

[arista]

Sunak now Live


Going through his start-up

[GoldHeart]

Can't stand this Government

[arista]

Liz signs
Live for the Leader, are all over the place.

MP David Jones
introduces Liz Truss

[arista]

Can't stand this Government



Nothing wrong with that view

[arista]

Liz Truss now Live.

[arista]

Now Hannah (who was a sky news presenter)
interviews Sunak.

[arista]

Now Live on SkyNewsHD as well.


That has now halted.

[arista]

Liz Truss taking Questions now,

[bots]

Someone should ask her when she last lied to the GBP

[Crimson Dynamo]

Her comments about our FM have NOT gone down well in Scotland. People talking about it too tonight at the auction - very cross.

[arista]

Live SkyNewsHD


Stopped.

[arista]

Live Event Ended.

[bots]

Her comments about our FM have NOT gone down well in Scotland. People talking about it too tonight at the auction - very cross.

Truss doesn't think before she speaks which will land us in hot water if she becomes PM

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

With the recently resigning Ministers and current ones now backing Truss.
Far from being any kind of fresh and changed look to this government.
It appears more likely under Truss just a continuation of the worst of the lot.

With all the intentions that Truss is throwing out, it seems just more of say anything then do little to nothing.

I know I am biased against this government in fact I proudly hold my hands up to that.

However for the whole of the UK and the reckless rhetoric already of Truss, just actually like Johnson's divisive rhetoric before.
This is a disaster looming.
However it appears to be nothing of a new look, not at all.

Probably the worst candidates through to the final 2 with neither even getting anywhere near even half of Con MPs support after all the previous ballots even.

Shambolic is the best description of this government and even moreso for these 2 incompetents left in the race.
These 2 are just a likely now continuation of the deceit and lies of the man one of them will be replacing.

[arista]

1554735847781666817

Me being taken away

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o6MbbdcmK4FPrzUnm/200.gif



Slim a Live Ch5HD AM Debate with
Left Winger Susie Boniface
and
Right Winger Mike Parry

BOTH agreed
any Punk saying "wipe the UK off this earth"

Must be arrested.



So Slim
watch your back..........................

[arista]

Yes Kay Burley
Live 8PM With a Live TV Audience

I do hope she asks about our water companies
refusing to fix pipe leaks due to the money costs?

And why are they not going to reduce our Energy Bills, in time

[Zizu]

Yes Kay Burley
Live 8PM With Audience on Screens

I do hope she asks about our water companies
refusing to fix pipe leaks due to the money costs?

And why are they not going to reduce our Energy Bills, in time


Guess this is a MUST watch !

Kay Burley is quite likely to ask the odd embarrassing question !!


Eg

Sky news presenter Kay Burley once asked a serial killer's wife if she thought their 'poor sex life' in the relationship caused him to kill the 6 women !!!


After that question then Liz Truss’s 18 month extramarital affair must be fair game surely ??

After all - how can she be trusted after successfully leading a double life for that long with nobody knowing ..

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[arista]

Yes I hope
we get some new debates


The Local Online hustings avoid those hard questions
like the Water Companies
and High Energy Bills!

[bots]

Guess this is a MUST watch !

After all - how can she be trusted after successfully leading a double life for that long with nobody knowing ..


John Major managed that quite successfully :laugh:

[Zizu]

John Major managed that quite successfully :laugh:


Yes ... who saw that coming .. and with HER of all people as well !!


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[Cherie]

Not Slim being rounded up and thrashed by Rishi

[The Slim Reaper]

So Slim
watch your back..........................

What have you got planed then? Are you going to give me the Prince William? :smug:

[bots]

the hustings are the real life equivalent of a twitter bubble. The pair of them don't give a crap about anything or anyone. Their only interest is in their own career ambition

[Zizu]

the hustings are the real life equivalent of a twitter bubble. The pair of them don't give a crap about anything or anyone. Their only interest is in their own career ambition


... like every other politician EVER in the history of the modern world


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[bots]

... like every other politician EVER in the history of the modern world


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no actually. There were until very recently a significant proportion of conviction politicians. The last election saw most of them removed out the game

[joeysteele]

no actually. There were until very recently a significant proportion of conviction politicians. The last election saw most of them removed out the game

I do agree in the main there with you bots.

There are still good conviction politicians, none in the highest positions of leadership however or seeking it unfortunately

[arista]

Kay Burley 8PM

Now has a Live Audience

So boo's may be heard

[Zizu]

Kay Burley 8PM

Now has a Live Audience

So boo's may be heard


For all three of them !!
:)


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[Zizu]

no actually. There were until very recently a significant proportion of conviction politicians. The last election saw most of them removed out the game


More likely a significant proportion have convictions

:)


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[bots]

More likely a significant proportion have convictions

:)


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now now :laugh:

[arista]

Rishi solo still live

[arista]

The Live Studio
Audience backed Rishi Sunak

[joeysteele]

This was actually really good.

Sunak was the best by miles however.
He certainly talked more sense and with a good delivery.

[bots]

i read the BBC live summary from it and it appeared that Truss got thumped

[arista]

Of Course Rishi
got more support

He is more slick.

[arista]

SkyNews keep saying there's was the last
TV news debate



Liz is later next week.
Exclusive on GBnewsHD

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZK7MhNWQA0tgUI?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Cherie]

Rishi clearly won that Sky debate, couldn’t believe Burley saying she was amazed at the show of hands for him, she didn’t give Truss as much of a grilling as she did Sunak either

[arista]

Rishi clearly won that Sky debate, couldn’t believe Burley saying she was amazed at the show of hands for him, she didn’t give Truss as much of a grilling as she did Sunak either


Yes, many are saying that in the press,
as well

[joeysteele]

Rishi clearly won that Sky debate, couldn’t believe Burley saying she was amazed at the show of hands for him, she didn’t give Truss as much of a grilling as she did Sunak either

Sunak was impressive actually.
To be fair.

He answered her grilling easily and confidently.
The delivery of Truss however is appalling.

Although in saying this, I'm not one of the people they need to impress, :joker:

[arista]

Yes Joey

Sunak is a Slick Player.
Nothing like Truss.

But once all the votes are in
we find out Sept 5th

[arista]

Yes Kay
as a LibDem people say stupid things.

1555280877353156608

[arista]

Liz went first
On Ukraine, she says Putin must leave?

Well Liz --- Putin is not leaving Ukraine
so no solution from you or Rishi.

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ye1C7epcGg

Full REPLAY, SkyNews Debate

Move up to 25mins it starts

[arista]

Sunak makes his Statement
then a few claps

He has to turn to them and
say "Thank You"


Then more Clapp
so sneak move by Cocky him

[arista]

Kay mentioned
his Swimming Pool in his garden
while the local public one is too Close

In a Group Quote
he should have said he will keep
the local swimming pool open
out of his own Rich Pocket

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-bac8feb6-6952-4f11-8e6e-53676a408d65.jpg

[arista]

Dominic Raab

In charge of the UK
at this time

[The Slim Reaper]

When they say the quiet part out loud.

1555492071909298176

[bots]

Dominic Raab

In charge of the UK
at this time

and we all know how good and reliable he is when he was missing in action during the Afghan withdrawal

[arista]

Yes Slim
the Left Winger on LBC
played that.

Cocky Rich Rishi.

[arista]

Another local Hustings tonight,
this time in Eastbourne.

Rishi Vs Liz

[Cherie]

When they say the quiet part out loud.

1555492071909298176

tbh he is obviously playing to the gallery, its not a general election audience, the audience are all Tories and in the main he is telling them what they want to hear, as distasteful as it may sound, I would imagine he was answering a question as well rather than coming out with it, at least one would hope so

[bots]

you can't really get away from the fact that he said he wanted to undo all the funding that had been awarded to deprived urban areas and return it to Tunbridge Wells :laugh:

I live pretty close to TW and its certainly not lacking in money :laugh:

[arista]

tbh he is obviously playing to the gallery, its not a general election audience, the audience are all Tories and in the main he is telling them what they want to hear, as distasteful as it may sound, I would imagine he was answering a question as well rather than coming out with it, at least one would hope so



Yes, Labour will Edit it
making it far worse on their broadcasts

[arista]

Tonight, it is 7PM
Live in Eastbourne Local Conservative Hustings


Live links will be posted

[Cherie]

Tonight, it is 7PM
Live in Eastbourne Local Conservative Hustings


Live links will be posted

Gods waiting room

[The Slim Reaper]

tbh he is obviously playing to the gallery, its not a general election audience, the audience are all Tories and in the main he is telling them what they want to hear, as distasteful as it may sound, I would imagine he was answering a question as well rather than coming out with it, at least one would hope so

The problem is, he wasn't feeding them red meat by saying what he will do, he was talking about the fact he already did. In a leadership contest, during a CoL crisis in which those towns and cities will feel it the most, and after raising tax on those same people to pay for brexit and ppe contracts.