Eurovision 2025 Thread [Austria win]

[Strictly Jake]

Estonia getting third is the most mind boggling result, everyone knew Israel would be high up there because of the political bull, but that is a shocker

We all love a coffee though

[Zizu]

Wtf is nemo ..

Presumed it was a girl ( from a distance) but looks like a docker close up

[MTVN]

it was also a terrible song with lyrics that would've made no sense to non-english speakers, and about 4 different genre changes each more muddled than the last

Oh I agree but then felt slightly gaslit by all the people saying how well it deserved to do :joker: we seem to love a pity party over Eurovision every year

[Benjamin]

That’s the first time in a very long time the top 3 have all been in the first half of the contest.

[Zizu]

Amazing singer , amazing chorus .. hope they release a version in his operatic voice as I would happily buy it

[Mystic Mock]

Did Graham Norton say that the Polish performer is 52 years old?:shocked:

Between her and Andrea Corr on the last series of The Masked Singer, there'll be a lot of younger women praying that they look like that when they're in their 50's.:joker:

Meanwhile I think that a lot of men wouldn't complain looking like the Armenian singer.:joker:

And I do personally think that the best performance on the night won, but I would've been happy for Lithuania, Albania, or Estonia too.

Although having said that, the third year in a row where the public vote was disrespected.

[Mystic Mock]

Second year in a row, we got Nil point. Seriously other countries can just stay away from our great country.

Our entry was awful tbf.

I don't know what the Juries were thinking giving us so many points.

[Mystic Mock]

Wtf is nemo ..

Presumed it was a girl ( from a distance) but looks like a docker close up

Nemo's a dude.

Biologically speaking anyway.:laugh:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

One of the worst winners in a long while

This

[Mystic Mock]

Classical Music is divisive tbf.

But I would argue that he was really good at his style of Music.

[Maru]

Our entry was awful tbf.

I don't know what the Juries were thinking giving us so many points.

I think being pissed off about results is just another human ritual.

[Maru]

Also:

Spain risks major fine from Eurovision Song Contest by persisting with political message
https://metro.co.uk/2025/05/17/spain-risks-major-fine-eurovision-song-contest-persisting-political-message-23105265/

Spanish broadcasters risked facing the wrath of Eurovision Song Contest organisers by persisting with a political message, despite a previous warning.

Representing Spain this year is singer-songwriter and dancer Melody with her upbeat tune, ESA DIVA, which has proven a huge hit among Eurovision 2025 viewers.

However, her own country could now be fined after defying the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) with a statement displayed ahead of the Grand Final.

[Vanessa]

Yay 5th place! I'm really happy with that! Lucio :love:
Israel 2nd. Brilliant result.
Finland robbed :fist:

[Vanessa]

I personally loved Austria song.

[Mystic Mock]

I think being pissed off about results is just another human ritual.

That's true tbh.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Yay 5th place! I'm really happy with that! Lucio :love:
Israel 2nd. Brilliant result.
Finland robbed :fist:

Italy's song was well made tbh.

Congratulations on the high placing.

[Vanessa]

Italy's song was well made tbh.

Congratulations on the high placing.

He's a bit like a modern day Ziggy Stardust :love:

[Mystic Mock]

He's a bit like a modern day Ziggy Stardust :love:

I hadn't thought of that until just now.:laugh:

But yeah you're right, he really does have that kind of sound.

[Ammi]

…I read that Graham Norton had a shoulder replacement surgery just before the event so this was the first TV gig for his new shoulder…wishing him a continued recovery anyway…he was probably off his trolley on medication…

[Maru]

Our entry was awful tbf.

I don't know what the Juries were thinking giving us so many points.

It had the best video of them all (well of the popular ones that came into my feed), I think. Like LT said, everything made more sense with the visuals... but was it my own preference? No.

[joeysteele]

Did Graham Norton say that the Polish performer is 52 years old?:shocked:

Between her and Andrea Corr on the last series of The Masked Singer, there'll be a lot of younger women praying that they look like that when they're in their 50's.:joker:

Meanwhile I think that a lot of men wouldn't complain looking like the Armenian singer.:joker:

And I do personally think that the best performance on the night won, but I would've been happy for Lithuania, Albania, or Estonia too.

Although having said that, the third year in a row where the public vote was disrespected.

I really liked Austria, it was well out the ordinary and he has an incredible voice.
It is a really good winner in my view anyhow.

I loved Lithuania, it's a kind of music I like and hoped it would do better.

I actually enjoyed the whole thing, there were very few I didn't like at all.
Looking forward even to watching it all again, being able to fast forward over all the chatter :joker:

[joeysteele]

Yay 5th place! I'm really happy with that! Lucio :love:
Israel 2nd. Brilliant result.
Finland robbed :fist:

I love Italy as a Country and generally always like their Eurovision entries.
I really liked this one too.
It was really good seeing them doing so well in the voting.

[Nicky91]

I really liked Austria, it was well out the ordinary and he has an incredible voice.
It is a really good winner in my view anyhow.

I loved Lithuania, it's a kind of music I like and hoped it would do better.

I actually enjoyed the whole thing, there were very few I didn't like at all.
Looking forward even to watching it all again, being able to fast forward over all the chatter :joker:

no, he just needs to sing with a normal guy voice


:idc:

[joeysteele]

no, he just needs to sing with a normal guy voice


:idc:

No.I disagree.

I thoroughly enjoyed it and it was good to go out and do something totally different.

Music has many styles, plus he needs to sing where he feels is at his best, that certainly was a big success last night for him.
His vocals were superb throughout.

Very worthy winner in my view, I agree with Mock, the best performance on the night won.

[Nicky91]

No.I disagree.

I thoroughly enjoyed it and it was good to go out and do something totally different.

Music has many styles, plays he needs to sing where he feels is at his best, that certainly was a big success last night for him.
His vocals were superb throughout.

Very worthy winner in my view, I agree with Mock, the best performance on the night won.

doing something different, just a copycat of the 2024 winner, a similar freak show


this is the death of eurovision we have witnessed

[joeysteele]

doing something different, just a copycat of the 2024 winner, a similar freak show


this is the death of eurovision we have witnessed

I'll just leave you to get on with your day Nicky.
Hope you have an enjoyable Sunday.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel received the most votes from the public, 297, out of any of the 26 finalists

and I think we in the UK gave them the highest proportion

[user104658]

Israel received the most votes from the public, 297, out of any of the 26 finalists

and I think we in the UK gave them the highest proportion

"But it's not political" lol I ain't 'avin' it that Israel genuinely had the best song, that's just a stretch to far, it was entirely forgettable.

Though to be fair...

The only song of the night that was an absolute banger was the Rim Timmy Cha Cha Cha mash-up and that was a half-time show. Oh well.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"But it's not political" lol I ain't 'avin' it that Israel genuinely had the best song, that's just a stretch to far, it was entirely forgettable.

Though to be fair...

The only song of the night that was an absolute banger was the Rim Timmy Cha Cha Cha mash-up and that was a half-time show. Oh well.

Can you imagine Eurovision organising a song contest in Tel-Aviv next year!

it was definitely rigged so that could never happen

[user104658]

Can you imagine Eurovision organising a song contest in Tel-Aviv next year!

it was definitely rigged so that could never happen

Nah the public score was about as high as it could realistically be and the jury votes if you take politics out of it were about right, if not on the slightly high side, if they were going to rig it they'd have rigged it lower because topping the public vote + coming second will already increase "boycott" calls next year.

[Beso]

Is this still a thing.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The "winning" song has to be one of the weakest in living memory to be honest

[Vanessa]

Absolutely loved Israel song, I thought it was beautiful.
Also loved the winning song, that guys voice is spectacular. I was amazed.

[Vanessa]

Can you imagine Eurovision organising a song contest in Tel-Aviv next year!

it was definitely rigged so that could never happen

If the winning country can't host it then the second does it.

[Vanessa]

No.I disagree.

I thoroughly enjoyed it and it was good to go out and do something totally different.

Music has many styles, plays he needs to sing where he feels is at his best, that certainly was a big success last night for him.
His vocals were superb throughout.

Very worthy winner in my view, I agree with Mock, the best performance on the night won.
Omg his voice was phenomenal!

[Vanessa]

Amazing singer , amazing chorus .. hope they release a version in his operatic voice as I would happily buy it

Yes I thought he was amazing

[Crimson Dynamo]

when you ignore the screaming minority kids...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrL8cqtWEAAxj6_?format=jpg&name=small

[jones89]

I’m surprised we gave Poland 10 points

[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC presenter and Eurovision stalwart Graham Norton has caused
controversy among viewers thanks to his remarks about Israeli singer Yuval
Raphael.

The 24-year-old singer, who survived the Hamas attack on the Nova music
festival on October 7, 2023, was fourth up on Saturday and sang her ballad
New Day Will Rise, which was inspired by the ordeal.

Raphael was one of just 11 survivors from a group of around 50 people who
took refuge in a concrete bomb shelter during the attack, using dead bodies as
a shield for eight hours until she was rescued.

Meanwhile introducing her Norton said: "She only began singing professionally in 2023, and you can see why; she has an extraordinary voice, and it's a big, powerful ballad. Also, very nicely staged."


no mention of her ordeal or what inspired her - :skull:

https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/graham-norton.jpg?id=60267241&width=1000&quality=90

[Benjamin]

The "winning" song has to be one of the weakest in living memory to be honest

Yeah. Such a disappointment.

[Zizu]

Did Graham Norton say that the Polish performer is 52 years old?:shocked:

Between her and Andrea Corr on the last series of The Masked Singer, there'll be a lot of younger women praying that they look like that when they're in their 50's.:joker:

Meanwhile I think that a lot of men wouldn't complain looking like the Armenian singer.:joker:

And I do personally think that the best performance on the night won, but I would've been happy for Lithuania, Albania, or Estonia too.

Although having said that, the third year in a row where the public vote was disrespected.


They should simply remove the public vote as they are obviously irrelevant !!

I would let JUST the actual performers vote as they all seem to get on so well you may actually get some fair voting

[Zizu]

Classical Music is divisive tbf.

But I would argue that he was really good at his style of Music.


The winning song was excellent and he was clearly the best singer .. I just didn’t like his Kate Bush in the verses.. but loved the operatic chorus

[Livia]

I think that was the poorest Eurovision I've ever sat through. Usually there are a couple of songs that stand out for me but not this time. I was surprised and pleased Israel did well despite the opposition being so loud, as usual, and I genuinely think it should have won. But yeah, it couldn't be allowed to win. The winning song was just awful. So strange... Had to turn it off at the end so as not to have to sit through it again. The entertainment while waiting for the scores was dire, especially last years winner having a mental gender crisis live in stage. Why I put myself through this every year is a mystery.

[Oliver_W]

I'd have loved Israel to win just for the meltdowns tbh. Though I did like that song.

(I don't normally watch it, but the Doctor Who episode was great so I hadda!)

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

and in Ireland

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrMCEzxXoAAN1OO?format=png&name=900x900

[Cherie]

We flipped over and watched the snippets of the songs just before the vote opened, I am unsure how anyone sits though hours of this dirge, as for the Spanish Beyonce lookalike ... appalling no originality at all :fist:

[joeysteele]

They should simply remove the public vote as they are obviously irrelevant !!

I would let JUST the actual performers vote as they all seem to get on so well you may actually get some fair voting

I don't think there's ever really been fair voting in Eurovision.
Not from the years I've been watching it.

I mean immaterial of songs or performances, if both are in, it's generally 12 points from Greece to Cyprus..
Plus 12 points from Cyprus to Greece.

I could see the merits however to removing the public vote.
I just treat it as a nights TV.
Although I did vote for Lithuania and Finland.

I loved it though.
It's a Eurovision I'll watch again for sure.
Austria definitely deserved the win too.
Strong performance.

[Cherie]

The mystery is why the BBC pay hundreds of thousands to the EBU every year so their act can be widely humiliated

[Cherie]

BBC presenter and Eurovision stalwart Graham Norton has caused
controversy among viewers thanks to his remarks about Israeli singer Yuval
Raphael.

The 24-year-old singer, who survived the Hamas attack on the Nova music
festival on October 7, 2023, was fourth up on Saturday and sang her ballad
New Day Will Rise, which was inspired by the ordeal.

Raphael was one of just 11 survivors from a group of around 50 people who
took refuge in a concrete bomb shelter during the attack, using dead bodies as
a shield for eight hours until she was rescued.

Meanwhile introducing her Norton said: "She only began singing professionally in 2023, and you can see why; she has an extraordinary voice, and it's a big, powerful ballad. Also, very nicely staged."


no mention of her ordeal or what inspired her - :skull:

https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/graham-norton.jpg?id=60267241&width=1000&quality=90

I had no idea, as I dont follow this at all, but that is tragic that none of that was mentioned....shame on the BBC and shame on Norton

[Livia]

We flipped over and watched the snippets of the songs just before the vote opened, I am unsure how anyone sits though hours of this dirge, as for the Spanish Beyonce lookalike ... appalling no originality at all :fist:

In the sainted words of arista, you are most wise.

And yeah, the Spanish woman... I've never seen a female try that desperately hard at anything.

[Livia]

The mystery is why the BBC pay hundreds of thousands to the EBU every year so their act can be widely humiliated

All the other countries sent people who are famous. We send three unknown girls who, although they were decent singers, did irritating selfie poses all the way through the quite average song. Either send another Sam Ryder or let us withdraw gracefully.

[Ammi]

…this is a really interesting article and something I hadn’t considered before …(…Ben probably is much more up in the maths of voting as he’s knowledgable on odds etc…)…the ‘mathematics’ of the public vote in how many votes are allocated to each voter and whether that allocation is divided in multiple performances or condensed to one performance is really quite interesting and I’ve bolded the last sentence to show the influences of a voting landscape…


Pollster Kevin Cunningham explains how the nature of Eurovision voting influenced the outcome

When it comes to the public votes cast at the Eurovision, we need to take elements like 'diffuse alternatives' and 'motivated reasoning' into consideration. This is according to Dr Kevin Cunningham, a lecturer in politics at TU Dublin and the founder of the Ireland Thinks polling company.

First, there's 'diffuse alternatives', Cunningham explains. "If Israel were on the ballot, let's say, and that was the principal thing people were voting on, there's only one Israeli option and 24 other non-Israel options. So that means that the relative concentration of support within the Israeli option tends to be a little bit higher."

So what vote share would we expect Israel to have gotten to get to second place? "If we look at the result from previous years' Eurovision finals, the second place got around 13 or 14% in the last two years, so we might expect that it only takes 13 or 14% for someone to actually get to 2nd place. That means that quite a large proportion might actually have been voting for others."

We also have to take 'motivated reasoning' into consideration. "We see this in politics when it comes to turnout in elections and turnout in referendums", explains Cunningham. "When we see turnout in referendums become very low we notice that the results become quite skewed. If turnout in a referendum gets lower than 35% the people who are more motivated, more interested, tend to influence the outcome a little bit more".

In the case of Eurovision, it's even more extreme. "Because we know that even of those that viewed the Eurovision, only around 6 or 7%, from previous data, actually vote", says Cunningham, "so it means that it's at the extreme end. But then what accentuates this even more is the number of times that you can vote. You can vote up to 20 times so that influences it to a massive degree in reality.

"You could imagine there are certain people who vote once or twice for a given song, and then there might be some people who vote 20 times for the exact same song or country. By definition, taken together with the low turnout and also the scale in which people might be voting, it necessitates, basically, an extreme preference for whoever tends to win, or otherwise. If you imagine a room of 100 people and 99 of them vote once, and one of them votes 20 times, based on our sums, you could expect that one to actually win."


https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/0518/1513508-israel-eurovision-2025-ireland-public-votes/

[joeysteele]

…this is a really interesting article and something I hadn’t considered before …(…Ben probably is much more up in the maths of voting as he’s knowledgable on odds etc…)…the ‘mathematics’ of the public vote in how many votes are allocated to each voter and whether that allocation is divided in multiple performances or condensed to one performance is really quite interesting and I’ve bolded the last sentence to show the influences of a voting landscape…


Pollster Kevin Cunningham explains how the nature of Eurovision voting influenced the outcome

When it comes to the public votes cast at the Eurovision, we need to take elements like 'diffuse alternatives' and 'motivated reasoning' into consideration. This is according to Dr Kevin Cunningham, a lecturer in politics at TU Dublin and the founder of the Ireland Thinks polling company.

First, there's 'diffuse alternatives', Cunningham explains. "If Israel were on the ballot, let's say, and that was the principal thing people were voting on, there's only one Israeli option and 24 other non-Israel options. So that means that the relative concentration of support within the Israeli option tends to be a little bit higher."

So what vote share would we expect Israel to have gotten to get to second place? "If we look at the result from previous years' Eurovision finals, the second place got around 13 or 14% in the last two years, so we might expect that it only takes 13 or 14% for someone to actually get to 2nd place. That means that quite a large proportion might actually have been voting for others."

We also have to take 'motivated reasoning' into consideration. "We see this in politics when it comes to turnout in elections and turnout in referendums", explains Cunningham. "When we see turnout in referendums become very low we notice that the results become quite skewed. If turnout in a referendum gets lower than 35% the people who are more motivated, more interested, tend to influence the outcome a little bit more".

In the case of Eurovision, it's even more extreme. "Because we know that even of those that viewed the Eurovision, only around 6 or 7%, from previous data, actually vote", says Cunningham, "so it means that it's at the extreme end. But then what accentuates this even more is the number of times that you can vote. You can vote up to 20 times so that influences it to a massive degree in reality.

"You could imagine there are certain people who vote once or twice for a given song, and then there might be some people who vote 20 times for the exact same song or country. By definition, taken together with the low turnout and also the scale in which people might be voting, it necessitates, basically, an extreme preference for whoever tends to win, or otherwise. If you imagine a room of 100 people and 99 of them vote once, and one of them votes 20 times, based on our sums, you could expect that one to actually win."


https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/0518/1513508-israel-eurovision-2025-ireland-public-votes/

The voting doesn't really concern me, I just love the contest with all its dramas, oddities and variety of songs and performers.

I don't take it as a serious contest, I just like getting some friends in and enjoy the night watching it.
It maybe doesn't need to be as long with endless chatter and nonsense.
The voting can be both irritating and hilarious.

For me last night was a far better night on the BBC than the usual run of tedious quiz programmes.
However your post there on the voting is interesting reading.
I think there's a lot of concrete truth in that article you have shared on here.

I mean the voting is even more ridiculous especially when you can start voting even before ANY act has even performed.
I just treat it as a fun night myself.
So long may it continue and for goodness sake it is just ONCE every year.

Plus on TIBB too, it was great being with other members on here as well as those at home with me watching.
Taking in all the other TIBB members comments too.
All watching the Eurovision contest.
Watching acts from other Countries whatever they're performing just trying to do their best.

I loved it.
I say again long may it continue too.

[Zizu]

Sooo why did we and Switzerland both get zero points from the public ??

Also I know we are rather disliked by most of the world but what has Switzerland done ?

[Ammi]

The voting doesn't really concern me, I just love the contest with all its dramas, oddities and variety of songs and performers.

I don't take it as a serious contest, I just like getting some friends in and enjoy the night watching it.
It maybe doesn't need to be as long with endless chatter and nonsense.
The voting can be both irritating and hilarious.

For me last night was a far better night on the BBC than the usual run of tedious quiz programmes.
However your post there on the voting is interesting reading.
I think there's a lot of concrete truth in that article you have shared on here.

I mean the voting is even more ridiculous especially when you can start voting even before ANY act has even performed.
I just treat it as a fun night myself.
So long may it continue and for goodness sake it is just ONCE every year.

Plus on TIBB too, it was great being with other members on here as well as those at home with me watching.
Taking in all the other TIBB members comments too.
All watching the Eurovision contest.
Watching acts from other Countries whatever they're performing just trying to do their best.

I loved it.
I say again long may it continue too.

….I have to say Joey that I did upload the app with the intention of voting but dividing the 20 votes would have taken me too long to consider…:laugh:…plus 15p cost per vote….no, that’s not happening for me…

…it was a lovely TiBB thread evening as Eurovision traditionally has always been…I have some excellent pics of it all and of some of those Joeysteele legendary dance moves, also…I’ll post them all later…:fan:…

[Benjamin]

Sooo why did we and Switch both get zero points from the public ??

Also I know we are rather disliked by most of the world but what has Switzerland done ?

They were just overlooked by people as they preferred other songs. I loved Switzerland but I didn’t vote for it.

[Zizu]

They were just overlooked by people as they preferred other songs. I loved Switzerland but I didn’t vote for it.


Overlooked 37 times ?

Plus it happened last year as well

[Ammi]

They were just overlooked by people as they preferred other songs. I loved Switzerland but I didn’t vote for it.

…and that’s often the way …songs/performances can be good but not stand out good…

[joeysteele]

….I have to say Joey that I did upload the app with the intention of voting but dividing the 20 votes would have taken me too long to consider…:laugh:…plus 15p cost per vote….no, that’s not happening for me…

…it was a lovely TiBB thread evening as Eurovision traditionally has always been…I have some excellent pics of it all and of some of those Joeysteele legendary dance moves, also…I’ll post them all later…:fan:…

:joker:
Although I do have my wild side that shows itself odd times.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Spanish broadcaster flashed up the message before Israel sang, unbelievable political act :facepalm:


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[Benjamin]

Overlooked 37 times ?

Plus it happened last year as well

Well if it wasn’t peoples top song then yeah probably.

[Zizu]

Well if it wasn’t peoples top song then yeah probably.


Just seems kinda suspicious

[Benjamin]

Just seems kinda suspicious

Why? :laugh:

Switzerland also got no points.

Our song was ok, but if that’s the first time hearing it it’s quite messy. It jumps around too much to get a catch out of it.

[bots]

Eurovision is not something to be treated seriously, the voting has always been suspect. It's part of it's charm. If the UK wins it, you absolutely know the song is a banger

[Liam-]

Thank god for the jury

[MTVN]

I think people just didn't vote for Switzerland because they won last year and no one really wants a repeat winner. Any other year it would have done pretty well

[Niamh.]

…this is a really interesting article and something I hadn’t considered before …(…Ben probably is much more up in the maths of voting as he’s knowledgable on odds etc…)…the ‘mathematics’ of the public vote in how many votes are allocated to each voter and whether that allocation is divided in multiple performances or condensed to one performance is really quite interesting and I’ve bolded the last sentence to show the influences of a voting landscape…





Pollster Kevin Cunningham explains how the nature of Eurovision voting influenced the outcome



When it comes to the public votes cast at the Eurovision, we need to take elements like 'diffuse alternatives' and 'motivated reasoning' into consideration. This is according to Dr Kevin Cunningham, a lecturer in politics at TU Dublin and the founder of the Ireland Thinks polling company.



First, there's 'diffuse alternatives', Cunningham explains. "If Israel were on the ballot, let's say, and that was the principal thing people were voting on, there's only one Israeli option and 24 other non-Israel options. So that means that the relative concentration of support within the Israeli option tends to be a little bit higher."



So what vote share would we expect Israel to have gotten to get to second place? "If we look at the result from previous years' Eurovision finals, the second place got around 13 or 14% in the last two years, so we might expect that it only takes 13 or 14% for someone to actually get to 2nd place. That means that quite a large proportion might actually have been voting for others."



We also have to take 'motivated reasoning' into consideration. "We see this in politics when it comes to turnout in elections and turnout in referendums", explains Cunningham. "When we see turnout in referendums become very low we notice that the results become quite skewed. If turnout in a referendum gets lower than 35% the people who are more motivated, more interested, tend to influence the outcome a little bit more".



In the case of Eurovision, it's even more extreme. "Because we know that even of those that viewed the Eurovision, only around 6 or 7%, from previous data, actually vote", says Cunningham, "so it means that it's at the extreme end. But then what accentuates this even more is the number of times that you can vote. You can vote up to 20 times so that influences it to a massive degree in reality.



"You could imagine there are certain people who vote once or twice for a given song, and then there might be some people who vote 20 times for the exact same song or country. By definition, taken together with the low turnout and also the scale in which people might be voting, it necessitates, basically, an extreme preference for whoever tends to win, or otherwise. If you imagine a room of 100 people and 99 of them vote once, and one of them votes 20 times, based on our sums, you could expect that one to actually win."





https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/0518/1513508-israel-eurovision-2025-ireland-public-votes/Yeah, i don't think it says much really unless both Israel and Palestine were in the competition. Could be people just liked the Israeli song as well [emoji23]

[bots]

i downloaded the app with the intention of voting. I then realised that each vote cost a phone call so immediately deleted it again :laugh:

[Ammi]

Yeah, i don't think it says much really unless both Israel and Palestine were in the competition. Could be people just liked the Israeli song as well [emoji23]

…(…I think…)…whichever of those two songs was the personal preference between Israel and Austria…?…they both had the same vein and vibe of being more emotional and slower ballads and that type of heart-song being more what was looked for as a winner this time…hence it being those two that were the contenders for top place and it could have been either to have taken the win…some really great beats that didn’t get great placing so it’s just not maybe what voting was looking for this year…

[bots]

Just seems kinda suspicious

think of it like voting to win on BB, you don't spread your votes equally around, you usually focus all the votes on the one you want to win

[Vanessa]

I think that was the poorest Eurovision I've ever sat through. Usually there are a couple of songs that stand out for me but not this time. I was surprised and pleased Israel did well despite the opposition being so loud, as usual, and I genuinely think it should have won. But yeah, it couldn't be allowed to win. The winning song was just awful. So strange... Had to turn it off at the end so as not to have to sit through it again. The entertainment while waiting for the scores was dire, especially last years winner having a mental gender crisis live in stage. Why I put myself through this every year is a mystery.
Israel was brilliant. Voted for them. Her voice was incredible

[Vanessa]

Wtf at Estonia 3 rd place :shrug:

[Benjamin]

Wtf at Estonia 3 rd place :shrug:

Well deserved. :clap1:

[Vanessa]

…(…I think…)…whichever of those two songs was the personal preference between Israel and Austria…?…they both had the same vein and vibe of being more emotional and slower ballads and that type of heart-song being more what was looked for as a winner this time…hence it being those two that were the contenders for top place and it could have been either to have taken the win…some really great beats that didn’t get great placing so it’s just not maybe what voting was looking for this year…

Israel song also very deserving of the win. For me it was the song that got me emotionally.

[Vanessa]

Well deserved. :clap1:

I do love my espresso :joker:

[Vanessa]

Finland should have finished higher. It was brilliant

[Niamh.]

Well deserved. :clap1:Oh they were one of my Sweepstakes, yay

[Vanessa]

Well deserved. :clap1:

All the other countries sent people who are famous. We send three unknown girls who, although they were decent singers, did irritating selfie poses all the way through the quite average song. Either send another Sam Ryder or let us withdraw gracefully.

The UK has some of the best singing talent. But those acts probably don't want to go to Eurovision sadly.

[Benjamin]

Finland should have finished higher. It was brilliant

I was honestly expecting it to be top 5.

[Vanessa]

I was honestly expecting it to be top 5.

Definitely. I was dancing to it :dance:

[Vanessa]

Poor Switzerland zero votes :laugh:

[Vanessa]

I need to watch the voting results after work. I was so tired yesterday I did make it. Lol

[Cherie]

i downloaded the app with the intention of voting. I then realised that each vote cost a phone call so immediately deleted it again :laugh:

Proper Scot

[Vanessa]

Israel received the most votes from the public, 297, out of any of the 26 finalists

and I think we in the UK gave them the highest proportion
That's brilliant.

[Vanessa]

Proper Scot

But you don't have to vote 20 times. You can just vote for your favorite and it's only 15 p

[Cherie]

I think people just didn't vote for Switzerland because they won last year and no one really wants a repeat winner. Any other year it would have done pretty well

Not watched it for years properly only the voting if Ireland are in it, I did love Eurovision as a child probably because there was no other channel to watch :laugh: but typically the host country does well so its odd for a host country to get zero votes or at least that is how it used to be

[Benjamin]

But you don't have to vote 20 times. You can just vote for your favorite and it's only 15 p

Yeah I voted 10 times.

Albania x 5
Finland x 3
Lithuania x 1
Latvia x 1

[jones89]

The UK has some of the best singing talent. But those acts probably don't want to go to Eurovision sadly.

I feel like next year we should go with a huge ballad.. i vote for Jessie J doing it :dance:

[Zizu]

I feel like next year we should go with a huge ballad.. i vote for Jessie J doing it :dance:


Really?

I just can’t abide that woman !!

Plus she’s a nobody nowadays ..

I saw something a while back explaining why shy was an irrelevance nowadays but I can’t recall why

[Oliver_W]

I could see the merits however to removing the public vote.
Nah get rid of the jury vote, public vote only!

BBC presenter and Eurovision stalwart Graham Norton has caused
controversy among viewers thanks to his remarks about Israeli singer Yuval
Raphael.

The 24-year-old singer, who survived the Hamas attack on the Nova music
festival on October 7, 2023, was fourth up on Saturday and sang her ballad
New Day Will Rise, which was inspired by the ordeal.

Raphael was one of just 11 survivors from a group of around 50 people who
took refuge in a concrete bomb shelter during the attack, using dead bodies as
a shield for eight hours until she was rescued.

Meanwhile introducing her Norton said: "She only began singing professionally in 2023, and you can see why; she has an extraordinary voice, and it's a big, powerful ballad. Also, very nicely staged."


no mention of her ordeal or what inspired her - :skull:

https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/graham-norton.jpg?id=60267241&width=1000&quality=90

If he had mentioned it, people would whinge that he didn't also victim-blame explain how Israel provoked Hamas.

[Zizu]

Nah get rid of the jury vote, public vote only!



If he had mentioned it, people would whinge that he didn't also victim-blame explain how Israel provoked Hamas.


The public vote appeared to be fatally flawed though

[bots]

they brought in the public vote because the jury vote was so obviously flawed :laugh:

We had an act that finished 2nd a few short years ago, so there is nothing wrong with the public vote

[joeysteele]

The public vote has only been in place around the last quarter of a century +
Plus it's gone from lines being open only a short time to unfortunately now all through the hours of the running time of the contest and a bit beyond as well.

Before that it was the juries, plus the contest had run for 4 decades virtually that way too.

There's probably faults on both types of voting but if I would prefer one to go, it would be the public vote I'd prefer to see go.
I could live without that easily.

So it's not going to happen anyhow but for me, dump the public voting.
Keep the all Countries jury voting.

[Maru]

i downloaded the app with the intention of voting. I then realised that each vote cost a phone call so immediately deleted it again :laugh:

It cost about $1/vote here after exchange rate, which I think it can be done online. I literally found out about the show last minute so wasn't about to put my credit card info into it :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The jury's are rammed full of captured woke mind virus eejits - id scrap them

I mean look at the weapons on the UK one

:umm2:

[Maru]

We flipped over and watched the snippets of the songs just before the vote opened, I am unsure how anyone sits though hours of this dirge, as for the Spanish Beyonce lookalike ... appalling no originality at all :fist:

There's so much irony in that, because for me the music in Spain did what was on point for me for Latin music here. And Beyonce is from Houston, so she's almost certainly taken the Latin influence with her to her career, which is huge here... so for me, it's like oh we've come full circle back to actual Spanish music, then :laugh::laugh: So many artists around the time Beyonce was coming up were so heavily influenced by that Latin catchy vibe.

I rewatched her final though and yeah, her dress is very default Beyonce (I didn't even notice it tbfh). I liked her National Final much more and I think the Eurovision Final was missing some of that vibe and there was too much hype in that performance/choreography. But other than that, I love her artistry... it doesn't have to be completely original in the sense that her music is carefree and doesn't worry about being completely brand new, which is also fine. I'll take fun vibes over some of the contrived art projects we saw this year...

Austria I think won because they straddled the different sides of the aisle in many respects... fun visuals (lots of buoyancy and boats are fun, obviously), changes in energy across the song and yet still maintaining a sense of gravitas... all being very artistic at the same time... I didn't "enjoy" the song, but I think it's music trying to be an art piece. So many of the entries felt like museum attractions to me.

[user104658]

no mention of her ordeal or what inspired her - :skull:


Maybe because it has absolutely nowt to do with her singing or a song contest, I dunno. Then again I still maintain that the people acting like Israel topping the public vote and coming 2nd was because of the actual song must know they're talking out their collective arses - it was middle-of-the-road and totally forgettable.

[Mystic Mock]

It had the best video of them all (well of the popular ones that came into my feed), I think. Like LT said, everything made more sense with the visuals... but was it my own preference? No.

I just felt like our entry was just awful.

Even in other years I've normally felt like we've been underscored compared to some entries, but this year I firmly believe that our entry was the worst by a country mile.

I honestly am trying to think of another entry on Eurovision that had awful lyrics, generic Music, and poor vocals all in one entry?

And I know that I'm sounding hateful, but we could've sent a song forward that was way better than what felt like a song that was rejected off a Little Mix Album.

[Mystic Mock]

I really liked Austria, it was well out the ordinary and he has an incredible voice.
It is a really good winner in my view anyhow.

I loved Lithuania, it's a kind of music I like and hoped it would do better.

I actually enjoyed the whole thing, there were very few I didn't like at all.
Looking forward even to watching it all again, being able to fast forward over all the chatter :joker:

I agree with you on Austria and Lithuania.

It was nice to see that to some extent that the public and the Juries were trying to make sure that the talented acts were getting at least some points this year.

[Mystic Mock]

Can you imagine Eurovision organising a song contest in Tel-Aviv next year!

it was definitely rigged so that could never happen

I do agree with you on this.

But the public only voted Israel at the top because of Political reasons, rather than thinking it was the best song.

[Mystic Mock]

BBC presenter and Eurovision stalwart Graham Norton has caused
controversy among viewers thanks to his remarks about Israeli singer Yuval
Raphael.

The 24-year-old singer, who survived the Hamas attack on the Nova music
festival on October 7, 2023, was fourth up on Saturday and sang her ballad
New Day Will Rise, which was inspired by the ordeal.

Raphael was one of just 11 survivors from a group of around 50 people who
took refuge in a concrete bomb shelter during the attack, using dead bodies as
a shield for eight hours until she was rescued.

Meanwhile introducing her Norton said: "She only began singing professionally in 2023, and you can see why; she has an extraordinary voice, and it's a big, powerful ballad. Also, very nicely staged."


no mention of her ordeal or what inspired her - :skull:

https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/graham-norton.jpg?id=60267241&width=1000&quality=90

I don't think that Graham Norton did anything wrong here.

He was being impartial.

[Mystic Mock]

The winning song was excellent and he was clearly the best singer .. I just didn’t like his Kate Bush in the verses.. but loved the operatic chorus

I agree with you tbh.

[Maru]

Sh*t's still going down in Spain. It's only a little bit of a dumpster fire (https://www.elindependiente.com/tendencias/2025/05/18/melody-cancela-su-agenda-con-rtve-tras-eurovision-y-viajara-directamente-a-sevilla/):

Melody cancels her schedule with RTVE (Broadcaster) after Eurovision and will travel directly to Seville.

After a night marked by disappointment and controversy with Spain, second to last in Eurovision 2025 , Melody reportedly decided at the last minute to take a break and cancel her scheduled agenda with RTVE and not return to Madrid with the Spanish delegation to travel directly to Seville with her family, as exclusively revealed by the Telecinco program, Socialité .

The singer from Seville has expressed her gratitude for the support she has received throughout Spain after finishing 24th in the Eurovision Song Contest this Saturday with her song Esa Diva , and she praised art and music, " even though other things sometimes prevail ": "I am very happy and very satisfied because we won. Love is above all. And long live art and music, even though other things sometimes prevail, but long live art," the singer said in a video posted on her Instagram after finishing the Eurovision final.

Despite this, the singer affirms that she will keep with her "the love, affection, and respect" that all the countries have shown behind the scenes. "I'm very happy; the dancers are amazing. I'm very happy. But I do want to make one thing clear: this is just one more thing, and what I'm keeping with me is the love, affection, and respect that all the countries have shown us and our work behind the scenes, because everyone's mouths were open."

Melody stated that Spain has fully supported her, as evidenced by videos from several Spanish stadiums. "They sent me I don't know how many videos of packed stadiums to watch the performance . I'm very satisfied with the performance and I think we did a great job," she stated.

Sometimes you find little gems like this on X:

1924172769782071626Translation: "We don’t know what happened with the blackout, but we’re going to investigate the televoting."

Govt hard at work avoiding investigating its own performance to investigate votes for a music competition :laugh: Can't make this up...

[Benjamin]

Can you imagine Eurovision organising a song contest in Tel-Aviv next year!

it was definitely rigged so that could never happen

It’d likely be hosted elsewhere, like when Ukraine won.

[bots]

there is literally no reason to rig the competition. It's not like the winner gets a significant career bump. There is no money these days even in a hit single. Those days have long gone

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’d likely be hosted elsewhere, like when Ukraine won.

But can you imagine the hoo-ha had Israel won?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This left-wing pos tried to storm the stage and pour red paint signifying blood on a young girl singing at a music festival who herself on Oct 7th 2023 had to hide under dead bodies for hours to survive death at a music festival

what is wrong with these deranged marxists?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrL-E-eXgAAByfL?format=jpg&name=small

[Beso]

This left-wing pos tried to storm the stage and pour red paint signifying blood on a young girl singing at a music festival who herself on Oct 7th 2023 had to hide under dead bodies for hours to survive death at a music festival

what is wrong with these deranged marxists?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GrL-E-eXgAAByfL?format=jpg&name=small

Sickening little runt.

[Maru]

I am still following post-Eurovision Spain drama. They are super melty over there and the fallout itself has led to uproar against their own establishment. Apparently, it seems?, the govt has been digging in its heels over Israel because they are distracting from the rotting garbage on their own lawn. So it's been said it's funny they want to investigate the vote because so many there voted Israel, meanwhile the govt is pro-Palestine and state media.

There is still fallout obviously their act placing so badly with so many people saying they don't want to participate again because either it's become too political or just Europe not really feeling Spanish music in general.. so why bother, etc? Also, not fair that the channel involved didn't seem to care how it would negatively impact the artist's work... supposedly they tried to pressure the Israel singer privately and the broadcaster has had journalists banned in the past for politically charged behavior. But those were translated commentary bits I was reading so massive grain of salt...

I think not surprising that politics yet again ruins a good thing for some people, but, it is comical the level at which this seems to have gone locally. Some conspiracies but hard to follow with Google translate. I knew I should've learned Spanish...

Spanish PM claims Israel's Eurovision participation shows EBU's double standard
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/culture/article-854587

Was Eurovision FIXED? Major TV networks demand probe after Israel came second
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14729377/Major-broadcasters-accuse-Eurovision-vote-rigging-Israels-controversial-performance-came-second.html

Eurovision 2025: Spanish broadcaster to request audit after surge in Israel votes
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/spanish-broadcaster-rtve-audit-eurovision-vote-israel-seig8dbq

Virtually everything I have seen per online recorded video commentary was either panning politicization of their entry or pro-Israel. Opposition yes, but limited to a few replies (comments) here and there. So at least appears to match up with televote...

[Nicky91]

I am still following post-Eurovision Spain drama. They are super melty over there and the fallout itself has led to uproar against their own establishment. Apparently, it seems?, the govt has been digging in its heels over Israel because they are distracting from the rotting garbage on their own lawn. So it's been said it's funny they want to investigate the vote because so many there voted Israel, meanwhile the govt is pro-Palestine and state media.

There is still fallout obviously their act placing so badly with so many people saying they don't want to participate again because either it's become too political or just Europe not really feeling Spanish music in general.. so why bother, etc? Also, not fair that the channel involved didn't seem to care how it would negatively impact the artist's work... supposedly they tried to pressure the Israel singer privately and the broadcaster has had journalists banned in the past for politically charged behavior. But those were translated commentary bits I was reading so massive grain of salt...

I think not surprising that politics yet again ruins a good thing for some people, but, it is comical the level at which this seems to have gone locally. Some conspiracies but hard to follow with Google translate. I knew I should've learned Spanish...

Spanish PM claims Israel's Eurovision participation shows EBU's double standard
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/culture/article-854587

Was Eurovision FIXED? Major TV networks demand probe after Israel came second
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14729377/Major-broadcasters-accuse-Eurovision-vote-rigging-Israels-controversial-performance-came-second.html

Eurovision 2025: Spanish broadcaster to request audit after surge in Israel votes
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/spanish-broadcaster-rtve-audit-eurovision-vote-israel-seig8dbq

Virtually everything I have seen per online recorded video commentary was either panning politicization of their entry or pro-Israel. Opposition yes, but limited to a few replies (comments) here and there. So at least appears to match up with televote...

and let the head of the EBU reference group be the one from Spain

[Nicky91]

we want Israel dq'd and then everyone else moving up one place who were below them in the results


Estonia with Tommy Cash is the actual runner up

[Livia]

we want Israel dq'd and then everyone else moving up one place who were below them in the results


Estonia with Tommy Cash is the actual runner up

Weren't you supporting Israel last week? Now you want them disqualified?

[Vanessa]

I voted for Israel over Spain. I just preferred their song.

[Benjamin]

I voted for Israel over Spain. I just preferred their song.

I voted neither but Israel’s was by far better than Spain’s.

[Nicky91]

I voted for Israel over Spain. I just preferred their song.

I voted neither but Israel’s was by far better than Spain’s.

it is not about the Spain entry? the spanish PM Sanchez questions if really that many spanish people did vote for Israel


and i said this is going to be interesting considering Spain is leading the reference group as of this year with upcoming talks about israel's future participation in the contest



but yeah if Israel leave, and we get countries like Romania, Moldova, Andorra, Monaco back, we gain more countries than who are leaving, and there is always North Macedonia whom might return some day whenever they want to, since they still broadcast it anyway, more like whenever an artist has a good song on stand by, and if an artist can fund the whole participation

[Nicky91]

Weren't you supporting Israel last week? Now you want them disqualified?

because i got backed into a corner, scared into thinking i could come across as antisemitic


but thankfully on the night of the final, i had enough balls not to vote for Israel, but i voted for Latvia, those impressive fairies, beautiful harmonies unlike the UK

[Livia]

because i got backed into a corner, scared into thinking i could come across as antisemitic


but thankfully on the night of the final, i had enough balls not to vote for Israel, but i voted for Latvia, those impressive fairies, beautiful harmonies unlike the UK

No body would think you were anti-Semitic for not liking a song.

[jones89]

Yeah Israel’s song was amazing. She was just amazing, great voice, everything. Deserved second place.. Spain did deserve better too though

[Benjamin]

Yeah Israel’s song was amazing. She was just amazing, great voice, everything. Deserved second place.. Spain did deserve better too though

See I found Spain’s really forgettable. It’s one of the few songs I can’t even really remember as it left that little impression on me.

[joeysteele]

I'd never support Israel being disqualified or to be blocked from being in the Contest.
My only thoughts is, bless them, why they'd want to be in it with all the unnecessary and grossly unfair negativity they get thrown at them.

It's not now really, in MY view, a serious song contest, it's a more fun evening with good, fair or even some bad entertainment.
However still one of the better nights on TV, it was a great night here on TIBB too.
Anything that has loads of different Countries performing together is welcomed by me.

The Israeli entry however was a beautiful song, performed extremely good by a very strong singer too and it warranted the success it achieved.
Yes I preferred Austria and Lithuania as winners myself, however as is the case most years, Israel was right up there with being a possible winner too.
Well done to them.

[Nicky91]

I'd never support Israel being disqualified or to be blocked from being in the Contest.
My only thoughts is, bless them, why they'd want to be in it with all the unnecessary and grossly unfair negativity they get thrown at them.

It's not now really, in MY view, a serious song contest, it's a more fun evening with good, fair or even some bad entertainment.
However still one of the better nights on TV, it was a great night here on TIBB too.
Anything that has loads of different Countries performing together is welcomed by me.

The Israeli entry however was a beautiful song, performed extremely good by a very strong singer too and it warranted the success it achieved.
Yes I preferred Austria and Lithuania as winners myself, however as is the case most years, Israel was right up there with being a possible winner too.
Well done to them.

because they know they can milk the victim card until the last drop


Yuval a strong singer :laugh3: lmao not at all, more like this having been cheap for the broadcaster KAN with Yuval and her family paying for the participation, staging, promo work

[Nicky91]

Spain was not bad, but not great, wasn't among my faves, but it was better than some of their recent entries i thought



i preferred Latvia or Luxembourg as possible winners from that grand final, and wouldn't have minded a back to back swiss win, as Zoe performed it excellently well

[Nicky91]

am i against Israel competing at eurovision?

No


i am just against the bigots at the broadcaster KAN and their government, who more want clichéd, washed up sob story ballads as their entries


i myself would love a fun act like Balkan Beat Box next year from them, but i doubt it, since those guys never go releasing ''political propaganda'' songs

[Maru]

They're leaking Melody's contracts now and trying to determine whether the TV station will sanction the singer in Spain for a breach. It's seeming to be because she refusing to be politicized and has retreated from public view for the time being (but promises a press conference at some point...). And this has made the networks/shows she was supposed to be on "first" post-competition very melty and unhappy. She is technically someone's product though and that's another discussion also.

I'd never support Israel being disqualified or to be blocked from being in the Contest.
My only thoughts is, bless them, why they'd want to be in it with all the unnecessary and grossly unfair negativity they get thrown at them.

It's not now really, in MY view, a serious song contest, it's a more fun evening with good, fair or even some bad entertainment.
However still one of the better nights on TV, it was a great night here on TIBB too.
Anything that has loads of different Countries performing together is welcomed by me.

The Israeli entry however was a beautiful song, performed extremely good by a very strong singer too and it warranted the success it achieved.
Yes I preferred Austria and Lithuania as winners myself, however as is the case most years, Israel was right up there with being a possible winner too.
Well done to them.

That's about the same energy as I watch Big Brother. Modern politics is cancerous and shows no discrimination in terms of where it intrude, infect and infest. This is the aim :shrug: So I'll enjoy what we have while we have it. The alternative is we all stand within the same room but can't look actually look at each other as human beings who generally should enjoy similar things and I'd prefer that not be the case for my children...

[jones89]

See I found Spain’s really forgettable. It’s one of the few songs I can’t even really remember as it left that little impression on me.

I dunno. It grew on me alot and the performance was great too

[Vanessa]

I dunno. It grew on me alot and the performance was great too

It was good, but not as good as Israel in my opinion.

[Nicky91]

It was good, but not as good as Israel in my opinion.

you seem like Germany, so passionately defending Israel


:laugh3:

[Nicky91]

Intervision 2025 is gonna be more fun i think :D


Daddy Putin's alternate song contest :love:

[Maru]

Some comedy for y'all. This is one of ranked a top post on X. It's obviously trash lol I was waffling on whether to post because I don't know if other people enjoy the same sense of humor...

https://i.postimg.cc/zBRymp8g/ladygaga.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QMPd85MZ/ladygaga-2.jpg

So when Spain's singer was being interviewed during her journey, she joked about having this intense relationship with Lady Gaga. It's literally a gag, but some people have made it into more. It's nice to see their X demographic can be just as delusional as the English-speaking variant.

Spanish tabloids and Spanish-related conspiracy chat have always enjoyed a reputation of being super crazy with their theories and gossips historically within the US. Especially the superstitious bits :laugh: I'd say we're more or less even with them now...

[Benjamin]

Was Spain’s singer mistreated? How?

[Maru]

Was Spain’s singer mistreated? How?

:shrug:

[bots]

i saw a report today saying that there was something wrong with the voting, because it's supposed to be apolitical ....... have these folks watched previous years? :laugh:

[Denver]

Isreal tried to cheat which is enough grounds to have them kicked out, there is so much proof of the government paying to have votes in the televote

[Crimson Dynamo]

Isreal tried to cheat which is enough grounds to have them kicked out, there is so much proof of the government paying to have votes in the televote

:laugh2:

[Maru]

i saw a report today saying that there was something wrong with the voting, because it's supposed to be apolitical ....... have these folks watched previous years? :laugh:

The one Belgium station that demanded an audit but was like "We think the results were correctly counted"... but still wants an audit...

Spain & Belgium and apparently a handful of other countries are complaining... but at least in the case of Spain & Belgium, they both played Pro-Palestine messages in conjunction with the show, so the irony is they're saying they think the results or voting methods are too political... but then they both did things to make their participation more political, which in turn is what resulted in their countries voting 12's for Israel...

[Nicky91]

Isreal tried to cheat which is enough grounds to have them kicked out, there is so much proof of the government paying to have votes in the televote

indeed

https://wiwibloggs.com/2025/05/20/israeli-government-agency-sponsored-eurovision-2025-voting/284950/

According to the findings, the Israeli Government Advertising Agency — responsible for promotional work with public bodies and state-affiliated companies — ran targeted ads via Google platforms in the lead-up to the Eurovision final, held in Basel, Switzerland. These ads guided viewers on how to vote for Raphael’s entry, “New Day Will Rise.”

Additionally, a YouTube channel launched on April 20 uploaded 89 videos between May 6 and 16, aimed at audiences in 35 countries. These videos, which collectively reached over 8.3 million views, featured Raphael herself urging people to vote for her, often speaking in different languages and emphasising her performance numbers: 14 in the semi-final and 04 in the final. The EBU report confirmed that there was no indication of AI usage in these clips, suggesting Raphael’s direct involvement.

The EBU has repeatedly shut down all calls for Israel to be removed from Eurovision over the country’s actions in Gaza, where more than 52,000 people have been killed since October 2023. They state that the event is a competition between public broadcasters rather than governments, noting the contest must remain apolitical.

However, this government-funded marketing campaign raises questions on that statement.


meanwhile our winner from Austria, JJ supports exclusion of Israel from next years contest, and he is hoping for Vienna to host it again, same as in 2015

https://wiwibloggs.com/2025/05/21/eurovision-2025-winner-jj-supports-calls-israel-expulsion/284992/

[Nicky91]

i saw that specific youtube channel their promo content, it was literally towards 35 countries, in their native languages as well the voting information, how to vote and more specifically that you can vote up to 20 times


honestly nothing wrong with promoting your entry, but 35 videos from that channel, uploaded in one day, as well as government funded, which also included a big ad on Times Square, with the voting information, (americans who vote are part of the Rest of the World vote)

[Nicky91]

Get Rid Of Israel, or else

[Nicky91]

i am submitting a troll entry for 2026 to my nation


with some imaginary language chants pretending its ukrainian and hebrew, to subtly tongue in cheek make fun of those countries but in a subtle PC manner

[Crimson Dynamo]

1926593021383938097

[Nicky91]

1926593021383938097

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[Barry.]

1926593021383938097

The song was fine so I don’t see what this will do. They might of well just not let them in the contest. They shouldn’t be in it anyway with the war like when Russia was excluded.

[Nicky91]

The song was fine so I don’t see what this will do. They might of well just not let them in the contest. They shouldn’t be in it anyway with the war like when Russia was excluded.

it's already a start, now let's disqualify them (from 2025 and hopefully from 2024 too)

as of 2026 hopefully they are kicked out, there are more than enough other sponsors to replace MoroccanOil lol :laugh:

[Nicky91]

and without Israel, the contest will be more appealing too again

[Barry.]

it's already a start, now let's disqualify them (from 2025 and hopefully from 2024 too)

as of 2026 hopefully they are kicked out, there are more than enough other sponsors to replace MoroccanOil lol :laugh:

Until tomorrow for you though

[Nicky91]

Until tomorrow for you though

um no

i only ''liked'' Yuval because of her looks, can i help i fall for attractive women :fan:


but i chose humanity over voting for this nation


and it also wasn't like i didn't have other favourites lol, i mean i loved Latvia ever since they won the national selection (which i followed every second of) firstly for the adonis that is Markus Riva but they were my 2nd fave there

[Maru]

Sooo they kept Israel in to milk controversy and votes.... then start excluding becaauuse... oh they want it both ways. Got it.

[Benjamin]

Niamh.This and the sweepstake can be unstuck now. Thank you. :love:

[Maru]

Supposed to happen sometime today.

"I just want everyone to know they were so great all of the times"...

Spain: RTVE sets the date for Melody’s press conference
https://esctoday.com/200789/spain-rtve-sets-the-date-for-melodys-press-conference/

[Maru]

I bring you more daily Spanish drama in the form of a transcript analysis... If you like bragging about view counts and camera cuts to furious fanning, then this is the press conference for you...

Link to press conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oWFoMBSLnI


Her reaction to politics and public reception post-Eurovision performance:

-Talks about how she was surprised by the big reaction after Eurovision, but she thinks that having this much expectation of her must be a good thing

-Eurovision made history for RTVE as the most watched day on Channel 1 in the last 17 years

-Was rumored to have kicked someone out of a dressing room. That was a rumor according to both her and the host. Melody: "I'm not like that"

-Another rumor that her and her partner were going through family drama and had separated, also false (lol)

Note: She doesn't debunk Lady Gaga's private threat to destroy the festival. HMM.


On being an artist, love & peace, gratefulness and more importantly, her numbers

-Things outside the artistic realm she knows nothing about and she doesn't understand how to talk about them

-She really loves peace and love and wants everyone to be peaceful all the time, but also rights are important

-She's super grateful for her statistics on Spotify and on Youtube being the third most-watched Eurovision performance. On the Eurovision channel on Instagram, she is the most-watched performance of all... very important.

-Yes, Spanish-speaking people watch her, but he second country that has listened to her the most is Germany (they must be all trying to learn Spanish, then)

-(Google Translation) "So, I love that I've been able to do this performance and that my art, my music, and my attitude endorse me, because you have to have a lot of attitude when doing this performance. Uh, and of course my talent, gosh, I never take credit for anything, and it must be said, I've done very well." :skull:

Reminder: Her song was literally called "That Diva"...

Also a reminder:

-Thanks everyone who helped RTVE once again "break audience records" and "there must be a reason".


On her beef with RTVE:

-Mentions that some people on the network hurt her feelings, ie disparaging comments about her and her performance

-TV shows laughed at her for going home to her family and says it's a double-standard they've criticized her when they've also gone on about the importance of mental health

-"And that they laugh at me or make fun of me by saying that maybe I'll be at home lowering the blinds and getting mentally balanced."

-"I'm more of a comedian than any comedian because I love to have fun," and goes into why mental health isn't funny and making fun of people's positions (in competition) are not funny...

-They start raving again about her massive growth on Spotify, etc, using relatively exact figures and how her songs got so many listens... "there must be some reason"... "the data is there"

-Melody: "Uh, it's also been said, a lot, eh, Melody. Mm, eh, you have to be grateful. Let's see, who am I not grateful to? Look, the greatest gratitude an artist can give is by doing their job and keeping their word. I've kept mine. What more do you want? I'm doing what I have to do. The thing is, talk is free, obviously. Of course, I'm very grateful for everything that's been done, but I firmly believe this is a collaborative effort."

-Host reminds audience that they are taking registrations for Junior Eurovision 2025... lol


Questions from Journalists:

Oh, the first question/commentary is fun one:

"First of all, congratulations, uh, because we're all proud of you and what you've done, and that's beyond doubt. Uh, it's been said about the 24th place, which is obviously not a good position, it's been said about everything, that the song wasn't Eurovision-friendly, that it's such and such, which, in my humble opinion, doesn't matter because it's the song we chose to submit, and if people in Europe don't like it, they can keep eating sauerkraut and fish and chips. Uh, but I wanted to know what you attribute it to, because of course, I think it was impeccable, from the song, the staging, the version, the artist, the dancers—everything was perfect. Vocally, she stood out from almost all the other artists in the edition. I wanted to know what you attribute that 24th place to, you know?"

Melody quickly separates the "artist part" of her answer.

Her answer:

"Well, let's see. Uh, I'm going to talk about the artist part, right? Because there's another part I'm not going to talk about because I think you all have an opinion on it, and I think that's something that's not my thing. My thing is art. Look, I'm very happy with the performance. I think, look, everything can always be improved. Personally, for example, I think the staging is very good, but I personally would have been able to do a much more powerful staging. Why? Because as an artist, I can create whatever you want. It's true that it must be made clear that once I win the Benidor FES, the nomination becomes RTV's, and they also decide what they want."

"I could have done something even more impressive, but that's not—that's not the only reason for getting that score."

"I think there are other things that have nothing to do with music and art, and since it has nothing to do with that, I don't have to comment on it either."


Asked if she will show off her "power of public speaking" against her critics (the people who said she hid behind her blinds at home, particularly) ...

Answer: She doesn't have that in mind. "I'm going to go to the shows that respect me and give me my place as an artist."

Asked if she is refusing to go on that show for the time being

Answer: "I'm always open to an apology because as a person, I understand that we can all make mistakes, me first and foremost, but that has to happen too."


Host asked about whether she will be new President of the EBU reference group... would she have sent a letter threatening a fine for "defending Palestine" .. she won't answer because she isn't President yet (lol)



Melody & soon-to-be-President-maybe co-host are asked if they had anything to say about RTVE's requests regarding future participation in Eurovision regarding Israel's participation and an audit...

-Neither have a clue about any of it about the future debate that is to be promoted regarding it. Co-host says it is very necessary.


Co-host soon-to-be-President is asked about whether she has anything planned to do about working on "restrictions" that the press have in covering Eurovision, because it's "increasingly stifling us", whether they travel or not... so much so, it's almost not worth it anymore.

She didn't answer this I don't think because Melody was also asked about her criticism about RTVE and that answer took time.



Melody is asked if RTVE has had any "self-criticisms" (properly translated to "corrections", maybe?)

-Melody: loves to analyze things and she's already preparing the next project. Had presented "self-criticisms" to RTVE and they didn't see anything, so everything has remained the same.

More detailed answer for details people:

"Well, I can tell you, for example, what I said about the fact that there are shots, for example, that a lot of the acting is lost. There are moments when I'm acting, or the moment of the train of dresses, you can't appreciate it. That could have been a brutal shot, but you don't appreciate it, you know what I mean? The curtain moment. I've suffered a lot with the curtain. I've suffered a lot with the curtain."

I saw a video of this but didn't save a link. She's talking about her intro where it's the black and white lighting and the dancers were there in the bottom of her dance popping out and rising up and that created a "moment". It wasn't shown for whatever reason.

-Admits a lot of infighting over decisions around the performance

-Choreography was changed multiple times.

-Reiterates she's been here "25 years" (as well as her team) and she's 34 and "You notice when something is liked and when it's not"

-Suggests doing more television shows in other countries would've made it an even bigger impact :spin:

-"We've been among the most viral" :spin:

-"And that's it, eh? I've already forgotten what I was going to say. Oh, the thing about improving isn't an excuse because it was really popular. We were walking in Basel and the people seemed like it was crazy, the number of people stopping us. In the same place where the performance was taking place, it was brutal. The other delegations said, "I can't believe the level of performance here, because let's not forget that besides the song you might like more or less, what has to be highly valued is also the vocal quality and the effort that goes into the entire song, which is not an easy song for everyone. And everyone was super-enthusiastic, even the other delegations, where there are always stipulations. They asked him, and he said, "Who's your rival?" I don't have any rivals, and I'm not going to give a damn about that. But they said, "I see Melody's candidacy as super strong, so the job is done. For my part, it's done. I think I've given it my all. I've done an impeccable job. You may like it more or less, but who am I for him to like it?"

*waves her fan with her curtain scene on it at her face* ... no joke... she was handed this by another host at some point before...

She seems to miss the fact that if her performance is "that good", then that could just mean the other performances were just that much better in relationship to her entry? Maybe competition was brutal? Her personal reception is only related to her. Of course she is going to get the most attention at that time, so it's a weird cope...

On going to Eurovision again:

After a short ramble about being tired and needing her battery checked first (my translation) at the start of the answer, she mentions the importance of receiving the "affection and warmth" of the public, which she definitely has according to her...

"Let's see if I would go back for the public, yes, and I love art, music, but it would have to be with, uh, with others, under different conditions."

-Asked if she is angry with Spanish delegration that she was forced to do something she didn't want to do:

Answer: She has many things to do, stuff is ahead of her. She hops around trying to be polite, but eventually she offers one criticism: The staging she would've liked to have decided for herself, like the screens, which "she didn't see until the day before"... but that doesn't "take away from the happiness she has"

-She goes back to talking total mush about how it was a beautiful job well done, etc, and how she's a nobody and can't criticize others. (So she is or isn't happy about the staging?)

-Says networks are looking for a controversy and she's not into starting controversies

-Says she couldn't go shopping because of all the people outside of her home and her fridge was empty.

-Re: Israel and the government's position; Won't comment on politics because she is not a politician

-Says she is contractually required not to make political comments... but this is the part she quotes:

"Songs and entries that use inappropriate, offensive, or offensive language, political messages or gestures, or similar, will be grounds for rejection and exclusion, and could risk being expelled from Eurovision."

It doesn't appear to say anything about her personally not making comments...


Asked what conditions she would set if she returns to Eurovision.

-Says that will have to be handled internally because "I'm a professional".

-Also says she's not worried because her work has "been sublime" and an artist going to Eurovision should be worried about doing a good job. If she had been a badass (translation is iffy) or made a mistake, she would have been judged a lot. If she had a mistake, they would've gone after her. She endured it and "did great", so they can't say anything. "Obviously, I'm not afraid of anything"

"Eurovision is a secondary issue for me. I've done what I had to do."

To people who thinks she is going to be a millionaire: "The million euros haven't arrived yet"

-"24th place doesn't have to mean anything"

-"I've never said I was going to the Eurovision Song Contest to win an that I deserved first place."


...Meanwhile, her family members have been going to the press and complaining about various things, including the fact she placed lower and it was undeserved. Europe only likes Europe, etc.

-Reiterates there was no drama in the dressing room, nothing happened and she didn't cry (based on images shown allegedly after her result).

-Reiterates how happy and satisfied she was and that only superb things have happened. Delivers a kiss at the audience to end her answer.


We are saved from further cringe as the tires peel away and the co-hosts are asked about RTVE's letter to the EBU calling for a debate on the inclusion of Israel:

Co-host: "Who knows why Televisión Española hasn't taken a step forward by directly requesting Israel's expulsion when it has been proven, as we published this week in Vertele, that its public television channel K has committed up to 100 violations in the last year."

-Says in June (when she would be President), that a "series of measures" will begin to be adopted. She claims several European delegations have joined the requests made by this channel (RTVE). Reiterates RTVE made clear it couldn't turn a blind eye to what's happening in Gaza.

-Asked if RTVE isn't successful (getting Israel excluded it seems), would it consider leaving the festival, but says she doesn't know, but that a lot of discussion and talk about that issue and the EBU/all of the delegations are "reflecting on it".


(This journalist pool seems very anti-Israel, across the board)

Timestamp for this next one: https://i.postimg.cc/sx2wkhNT/melody-fanning-furiously.gif

Another person comes up to frame their question with: "Undoubtedly, this year's Eurovision has marked yet another year that Israel is present..."

-A potential dig to Melody (the camera moves to her and she is furiously fanning :joker:)... "Several candidates have positioned themselves against Israel's participation in Eurovision":

https://i.postimg.cc/sx2wkhNT/melody-fanning-furiously.gif


His question turns into an pulpit. It's one of those long not really a question, but here's my question, question...

-He openly analyzes her indirectly by asking himself(:laugh:) whether she even thought of participating or not related to Israel. He talks about how even Spain's PM came out to speak out that Israel must be expelled from Eurovision.

Also mentions that "the opposition" used Eurovision as a weapon "against the government" because they were saying Melody shouldn't have come in second-to-last-place, but because of RTVE's messages it impacted her positioning... goes into which party specifically is "taking advantage of it", ie their members were telling people to vote and campaign in favor of Israel... and wants to know how she "experienced" all that politicization... He ends his speech to ask her if she explicitly thinks her positioning was impacted by Israel.


In other words, he's offering a chance for her to lean towards another stance, ie still a victim... but what seems pretty clear in his question, leaning more anti-Israel.

-Melody reiterates she can't talk about politic issues because of her contract and says she hopes for love and peace. She is clearly annoyed.


Melody is asked whether she was happy over the control she had on her journey to Eurovision.. and also if she had faced any kind of restrictions/etc due to disparaging political comments relating to Israel's participation that apparently occurred during that time (up to Eurovision) re:RTV? ...

This question makes sense because there had been significant restrictions applied to Spain because of that same behavior, especially to journalists covering Eurovision, relating to Israel... is my understanding...

-Melody "There were many things about the nomination that I didn't agree with, obviously. Of course I did, and I would have approached it differently."

-They asked her outright if she was missing the swing (the bit in her Semi-final if you saw it, where she comes down from the ceiling at the start of her performance.

-She said she was told no on using the swing again because it wasn't striking or positive to come from the top... even though other artists did it.

-"I swallowed a lump, but it's okay."[/quote]

But it's not okay, because she continues:

"And when you're nominated, you have to understand that that person has a personality, a way of feeling, a way of singing, and that it's important to take into account what the artist wants to show, because in reality, you're giving a lot of yourself and putting a lot at stake. Then, if something happens, what guarantees you is your good work, you understand? But if you have a flaw, which as a person you can have because we're human, eh, people are going to be all for you, right? So, it's true that I would have liked some things to have been different because it would have been even more impressive, it could have been much more effective. That's the truth. Thank you."

To co-hosts re:"the Eurovision earthquake", ie political one that has been going off in Spain...

[QUOTE]-They reiterate they're waiting to see how the debate requested by RTV regarding Israel's participation pans out.

"The letter clearly states that the EBU, well, cannot remain on the sidelines of the current situation and that it must make a statement. There's also a request for, well, for that review of the voting system. There's also a request for an audit of the televoting system and a series of issues that are explained very clearly in the letter that has been sent, and which I believe will be debated at length. And it's not just Spain, but many other countries that consider Eurovision to be the Achilles' heel of a festival as important as Eurovision. It needs to be strengthened and committed to a system where what is rewarded is talent and artistry, not a series of other issues."


To future President co-host: "Did Israeli television say anything to you those days after what happened?"

"The situation, the atmosphere in the venue was completely normal, and there were no problems between any delegations, and certainly not with us either."


But sign up for Junior Eurovision, y'all...

Her making another Lady Gaga calling her joke. I can't even make enough sense out of it to summarize it :skull: so I'll just link it here... but basically Lady Gaga calls her very angry about Eurovision and sounds like she makes a joke in bad Spanish, which obviously doesn't pass through a machine translation well... but here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/live/8oWFoMBSLnI?si=OB1lFRxnd4vlhkFb&t=5098

[Nicky91]

Israel are the actual winners honestly, Rich Queen Yuval Raphael :flutter: slayed the televotes fairly with such ease, love seeing antisemitism losing in terms of the public votes


those juries need to be abolished since they are politically biased against israel

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvMuZPmWUAEgIAz?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvMuZPmWUAEgIAz?format=jpg&name=small

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:


the less participating countries, the lesser long this show will take


we only need like 20 countries taking part anyway as a minimum for one final, and majority of people only care about the final either

[Nicky91]

we only need

- Sweden
- Norway
- Denmark
- Netherlands
- Austria
- Switzerland
- Cyprus
- Greece
- Belgium
- Ireland
- United Kingdom
- Australia
- Portugal
- Czechia

as participating countries, and new rule, only songs in english allowed

[Mystic Mock]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvMuZPmWUAEgIAz?format=jpg&name=small

It'll be the death of the Show if we keep kicking Countries out over Political events that you don't like.

Eventually you'll only have Switzerland and Sweden left, and nobody wants that.:hehe:

[Nicky91]

It'll be the death of the Show if we keep kicking Countries out over Political events that you don't like.

Eventually you'll only have Switzerland and Sweden left, and nobody wants that.:hehe:

i want that, Switzerland and Sweden, and them with 12 entries each


eurovision is a place for just the rich nations :smug: