[Brillopad]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/800...punish-British

Former Finnish PM accused the EU of bullying the UK for standing up to the bloc.

The more I read about the EU the less I like and become more convinced than ever that leaving the EU is the best thing for Britain. The EU are on one big power trip and not so far removed from those it claims to want to protect us from in my opinion.

[UserSince2005]

Agreed, I'm for bombing Brussels tbh, this is getting ridiculous

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Agreed, I'm for bombing Brussels tbh, this is getting ridiculous

They are impressing no one except for the uninformed.

[Alf]

A vid from The Almighty God of YouTube, Sargon

It's a fairly long one, about three quarters of a hour, so if you get any time, then check it out, if you want, or if you don't want, then don't.

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

He doesn't say that at all, I just listened to what he had to say and he suggests there are faults on both sides, the process will be nasty and brutish and that is undeniably a lose lose situation.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Alf

A vid from The Almighty God of YouTube, Sargon

It's a fairly long one, about three quarters of a hour, so if you get any time, then check it out, if you want, or if you don't want, then don't.

Youtube video

22 mins in so far.Very good.Will watch the rest later when i get home.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He doesn't say that at all, I just listened to what he had to say and he suggests there are faults on both sides, the process will be nasty and brutish and that is undeniably a lose lose situation.

The EU are bullying Britain, that is undeniable. I thought such bullying went against the principles of left- thinkers - or is that only when it suits.

Bullying are the tactics of the untrustworthy and of those with an agenda. We are the second largest contributor to the EU and they need us. All those on here who have said they don't need us don't know what they are talking about.

They also fear others leaving as others are also dissatisfied with the EU and so the EU are trying to make an example of Us whilst giving out a strong message to other countries to do so at their peril.

As the article above says the only deal that needs to be done is to set a date and agree a leaving fee - the rest is playground bully boy crap and you are all buying into it hook, line and sinker out of fear.

[Livia]

The EU are trying to be tough on Britain because they're crapping themselves that their country is next. Can't wait to see what happens to Merkel at the elections in the autumn. Right now she thinks she runs the EU and that's not how it works.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The EU are bullying Britain, that is undeniable. I thought such bullying went against the principles of left- thinkers - or is that only when it suits.

Bullying are the tactics of the untrustworthy and of those with an agenda. We are the second largest contributor to the EU and they need us. All those on here who have said they don't need us don't know what they are talking about.

They also fear others leaving as others are also dissatisfied with the EU and so the EU are trying to make an example of Us whilst giving out a strong message to other countries to do so at their peril.

As the article above says the only deal that needs to be done is to set a date and agree a leaving fee - the rest is playground bully boy crap and you are all buying into it hook, line and sinker out of fear.

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

What's wrong with it is that he is deliberately making it difficult to punish Britain which even other senior members of the EU agree. All that actually needs to be negotiated is a leaving date and an exit fee - and even the fee is questionable as we have assets in Europe to the tune of 130 billion, far more even than the extortionate figure Juncker is demanding. He is a crook in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What's wrong with it is that he is deliberately making it difficult to punish Britain which even other senior members of the EU agree. All that actually needs to be negotiated is a leaving date and an exit fee - and even the fee is questionable as we have assists in Europe to the tune of 130 billion, far more even than the extortionate figure Juncker is demanding. He is a crook in my opinion.

He isn't deliberately making it difficult...it is difficult.
Trying to oversimplify the process by stating all we need is a date and a price is rubbish.
What about trade, movement, security, borders, healthcare, expats, students, workers, fishing.... The list is endless.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He isn't deliberately making it difficult...it is difficult.
Trying to oversimplify the process by stating all we need is a date and a price is rubbish.
What about trade, movement, security, borders, healthcare, expats, students, workers, fishing.... The list is endless.

Why is he demanding 86 billion before even starting any negotiations on anything else then when we have assets in the EU of 130 billion - we should in theory be demanding about 40 billion back from the EU.

He is making ridiculous demands before even discussing anything else because he in trying to instill fear into Britain and all other EU countries who may want to do the same - that meets the definition of bullying in the eyes of most.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why is he demanding 86 billion before even starting any negotiations on anything else then when we have assets in the EU of 130 billion - we should in theory be demanding about 40 billion back from the EU.

He is making ridiculous demands before even discussing anything else because he in trying to instill fear into Britain and all other EU countries who may want to do the same - that meets the definition of bullying in the eyes of most.

Where on earth did you pluck this figure from, and you accuse others of being uninformed? :/

The figure I have seen most widely reported is Ł50 billion, which may well be the cost of all the member states having to revise there trade and movement agreements with the EU. Are you aware how many countries there are in the EU, personally I'd say that was a bargain.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where on earth did you pluck this figure from, and you accuse others of being uninformed? :/

The figure I have seen most widely reported is Ł50 billion, which may well be the cost of all the member states having to revise there trade and movement agreements with the EU. Are you aware how many countries there are in the EU, personally I'd say that was a bargain.

It's in one of the articles I posted today.

In 'no need to pay trumped up leaving fee after all'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's in one of the articles I posted today.

In 'no need to pay trumped up leaving fee after all'.

Which one, it wasn't a Britain first one was it? I don't read those.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Which one, it wasn't a Britain first one was it? I don't read those.

Nope. It's the second line of my post you quoted.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Nope. It's the second line of my post you quoted.

Ah, the musings of a right wing German MP... You are relying on some abstract options to further your assumptions today brillo.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where on earth did you pluck this figure from, and you accuse others of being uninformed? :/

The figure I have seen most widely reported is Ł50 billion, which may well be the cost of all the member states having to revise there trade and movement agreements with the EU. Are you aware how many countries there are in the EU, personally I'd say that was a bargain.

They can not legally make Britain pay

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah, the musings of a right wing German MP... You are relying on some abstract options to further your assumptions today brillo.

I haven't seen you produce anything better.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Adam.

They can not legally make Britain pay

Indeed that is correct - especially as they owe us a fortune.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I haven't seen you produce anything better.

You want me to think of a number from the top of my head?..... Oh, Ł89,976.975.27p there, and my number is bigger do I win?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You want me to think of a number from the top of my head?..... Oh, Ł89,976.975.27p there, and my number is bigger do I win?

How is that bigger than 130,000,000,000.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

Sounds like he is doing a Trump - unprofessional and inappropriate- but I don't see many getting their knickers in a twist about that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How is that bigger than 130,000,000,000.

Why do keep referring to these 'assets'? What do you think should happen we say 'oh just keep the wine cellar and we'll call it quits?'... This is international politics not spitalfields market, Junker is not del boy :/