[Shaun]

Intrigued at this point to hear what sets them apart and why Marc/Helen/Bear drained their series of entertainment value and Natalie supposedly isn't?

Of course there have been good series with overbearing personalities being terrible people: Tiffany, Gemma, Kim, Charley, Nikki... the difference is they were at least funny. What stand-out moments does Natalie have? What quotes are there? All I'm hearing is noise and a god complex of "everyone's fake but me". Which is exactly what Bear did

Edit: and before anyone accuses me of coming for Natalie's fans, this question works both ways why are there so many Bear/Helen fans taking issue with her?

[Maru]

Bear was far more creative with his tomfoolery imo. As much as I disliked him, there was genius behind his behavior and how he wound people up... I don't remember all of Marc's scenes, but I think that he knew how to include other people in his "fun" and wasn't the controlling farce that Natalie is... both of them were into manipulation, yes, but there were more layers than just simply "Why aren't y'all as fun as me?..." etc

I didn't really like Bear/Marc all that much, but they understood fan-service imo. Natalie is all about her 24/7. I suspect there's some very specific self-loathing going on there... as there's too much negativity wrought from her feeling like she has to keep an eye on her housemates at all times to make sure they're behaving to a certain standard... is how she must feel about herself when she is not "performing" or making a point to force herself into every situation... is a thought.

Perez was as flawed as a character, even Nikki, but they went through the spectrum as far as which complexes were on prime display that particular day... and yes, actually funny and very entertaining.

[JerseyWins]

Both great but Natalie is NOT on Bear's level. Bear got under people's skin without having to literally shout at and tear into the person.

He's muuuuuch better and more creative at what he does so it felt more natural. And that's not a shot at Natalie either though. I can't specifically think of quotes/examples but she's been a howl at times. She's just a bit more somewhat generic "yell at people with the intention to piss them off" whereas Bear had a lot more to him than that.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I am SO GLAD you brought up this thread because yes, absolutely. I'm only Wiki watching but Natalie..... she never really did it for me? Kinda tired and rehearsed and like, why would you rehearse so much for that end result?

That being said, it is rich how so many people criticize her and slam her and bash her but then celebrate people like Helen and Marc and Bear for the same reasons :3

[caprimint]

There's quite a difference from Natalie to the guys imo. Natalie isn't trying to annoy people I don't think I'm sure she's just reacting to these situations naturally. Bear and Marc were intentionally trolling the other housemates.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by caprimint

There's quite a difference from Natalie to the guys imo. Natalie isn't trying to annoy people I don't think I'm sure she's just reacting to these situations naturally. Bear and Marc were intentionally trolling the other housemates.

She has purposely attacked people over things that didnt need to be brought up so you are trying to say she has a heart behind her arguments? She is a vicious little girl who still has the mindset of a 14 year old school bully

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Adam.

She has purposely attacked people over things that didnt need to be brought up so you are trying to say she has a heart behind her arguments? She is a vicious little girl who still has the mindset of a 14 year old school bully

I'd actually say Bear is a nicer person than Natalie. We haven't really seen any other side to Natalie yet aside from her argumentative and feisty one.

"Things that didn't need to be brought up" is completely subjective. If it's something that bothered her and she thought was necessary, then it did.

And... she hasn't bullied anyone.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I'd actually say Bear is a nicer person than Natalie. We haven't really seen any other side to Natalie yet aside from her argumentative and feisty one.

"Things that didn't need to be brought up" is completely subjective. If it's something that bothered her and she thought was necessary, then it did.

And... she hasn't bullied anyone.

She attacked Chloe over her level of fame for no reason what so ever

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Adam.

She attacked Chloe over her level of fame for no reason what so ever

Haven't watched tonight's episode yet. Still, did Isabelle ever need to bring Lotan's son into the argument and was it relevant? No, but that didn't stop people defending it and supporting her.

Again... it's all subjective.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Natalie has no humour and is basic and vile. The others had some semblence of charm -she has none.

But i suspect a little gentle wind up and ribbing is being exercised for the sport and that is fair enough, if you get me by apologists for her antics

we are all guilty of this at times

[Epic.]

Marc and especially Bear were absolutely vile and disgusting in what they said and their actions. Marc for casually body shaming women and enjoying demeaning the weak, and Bear for being a domestic abuser who made it a mission for people to be terrified of him, every 1-3 HL shows of CBB18 will feature someone crying or shaking when he's in the same room ugh worst person ever cast on the show I ****ing despise him.

With Natalie, while she's definitely sometimes 'calculated' in some way like the other two, she's much more accidental and purely just attacks out of anger or defensiveness. She sometimes likes to pick on people like the other two, but it's more of an obnoxious loudmouth situation whereas the other two grinned when harrassing others.

[Amy Jade]

I think the differenve between Natalie and Bear is that she isn't being offensive or purposefully antagonistic. Bear was doing things to goad a reaction from others and Marc just irritated me because he felt like he was put in by producers to stir it up it never felt natural to me.

Natalie feels completely real to me and is some of it petty? yeah perhaps but I would rather see her kick off over a wet seat that endure the showmances for the rest of the series.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I think the differenve between Natalie and Bear is that she isn't being offensive or purposefully antagonistic. Bear was doing things to goad a reaction from others and Marc just irritated me because he felt like he was put in by producers to stir it up it never felt natural to me.

Natalie feels completely real to me and is some of it petty? yeah perhaps but I would rather see her kick off over a wet seat that endure the showmances for the rest of the series.

She has made a career out of being purposely antagonistic, that's literally all she is know for lol...

[chuff me dizzy]

Is this a serious question ?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Is this a serious question ?

It absolutely is. All housemates mentioned in the OP have set up - or been set up by producers - to create a "whole house vs. 1 housemate" storyline that will inevitably run on for weeks and weeks and weeks until the 290 remaining viewers crown someone else out of pity, or the antagonist for "making the series". Ad nauseum.

I find it difficult to take this forum's desire for "back to basics Big Brother" seriously if they're going to continue to endorse this same old one-person-steals-the-show charade. You can blame the casting all you want - I'd agree somewhat, this is a really samey and boring cast with around 3 showmances in the brew - but until this factor is taken out, there is literally no room for any other tensions and conflicts to play out, because everyone in the house is exhausted by this motormouth.

[BBDodge]

Bear had a sense of humour.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

Bear had a sense of humour.

This

[thisisdanny]

Bear and Marc tried to be funny but actually went out their way to intimidate people.

Natalie just gets into arguments.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by thisisdanny

Bear and Marc tried to be funny but actually went out their way to intimidate people.

Natalie just gets into arguments.

And Natalie isn't intimidating people when she stand over them whilst they're already in tears and just shouts and screams at them?

And like they went out of their way to intimidate people, Natalie is going out her way to argue and cause friction but not in the humorous and relatively unintentional way that the likes of Tiffany did.

[Mystic Mock]

It's a bit weird tbh as I feel that Helen, Bear, and Natalie all brought something to the table that got the Forums talking (which is all I ask for) yet the Forums do react differently to all of them which is strange considering they are all quite similar to each other.

If I was to make a guess with Natalie she's probably being helped by the fact that Gabby and Chloe are awful Housemates that are enabling a bigger support base for Natalie, I mean I'm a Hardeep fan and even I'm tempted to swing to Natalie just to wipe the smug look off of Gabby's face.

[Dash Darington]

They're all paid provocateurs (and likely sociopaths) serving the interests of production. The difference is that the guys were more charming, and a lot stronger personalities. I've seen Natalie get chased out of a room by a 67 year old woman, and get visibly flustered when the guys put her in her place during nominations. She's only really able to upset the young girls. When you watch her make a basic statement, and inexplicably laugh at what she's just said in an effort to raise a smile out of the person she's talking to, that's her attempt to be charming. She just doesn't have it. She's taken it upon herself to ask invasive questions of the other HMs, but this has backfired for the producers because she's so inept and ham-fisted that even the 'aspiring celebrities' (to use a polite term) don't want to talk about themselves while she's there.

Natalie is completely out of her depth in the role they've cast her in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

They're all paid provocateurs (and likely sociopaths) serving the interests of production. The difference is that the guys were more charming, and a lot stronger personalities. I've seen Natalie get chased out of a room by a 67 year old woman, and get visibly flustered when the guys put her in her place during nominations. She's only really able to upset the young girls. When you watch her make a basic statement, and inexplicably laugh at what she's just said in an effort to raise a smile out of the person she's talking to, that's her attempt to be charming. She just doesn't have it. She's taken it upon herself to ask invasive questions of the other HMs, but this has backfired for the producers because she's so inept and ham-fisted that even the 'aspiring celebrities' (to use a polite term) don't want to talk about themselves while she's there.

Natalie is completely out of her depth in the role they've cast her in.

great post

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

They're all paid provocateurs (and likely sociopaths) serving the interests of production. The difference is that the guys were more charming, and a lot stronger personalities. I've seen Natalie get chased out of a room by a 67 year old woman, and get visibly flustered when the guys put her in her place during nominations. She's only really able to upset the young girls. When you watch her make a basic statement, and inexplicably laugh at what she's just said in an effort to raise a smile out of the person she's talking to, that's her attempt to be charming. She just doesn't have it. She's taken it upon herself to ask invasive questions of the other HMs, but this has backfired for the producers because she's so inept and ham-fisted that even the 'aspiring celebrities' (to use a polite term) don't want to talk about themselves while she's there.

Natalie is completely out of her depth in the role they've cast her in.

I agree with this. I do think she has some minor entertainment factor, but it is a very shallow form of entertainment without nothing else to go on beyond a veneer... I don't consider her to be talented at all. I think she has some basic acting skills, but for the most part, can't do much with her fellow HMs aside from scream and yell with no script... she's terrible at baiting as well... unless like you say, she's going after the insecure folk who are easily triggered by any harsh opinion.

I will say her opinion of celebrity was rather enlightening. She seems to have a shallow definition of that as well... I think without social media, she wouldn't even be in the house... making nasty commentary about other people in "the business" is the only way she can remain relevant... but she's desperate to be validated by her supposedly 'non-celebrity' peers, which is quite funny. Basically she's upset that she's not good enough since look at her castmates...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

They're all paid provocateurs (and likely sociopaths) serving the interests of production. The difference is that the guys were more charming, and a lot stronger personalities. I've seen Natalie get chased out of a room by a 67 year old woman, and get visibly flustered when the guys put her in her place during nominations. She's only really able to upset the young girls. When you watch her make a basic statement, and inexplicably laugh at what she's just said in an effort to raise a smile out of the person she's talking to, that's her attempt to be charming. She just doesn't have it. She's taken it upon herself to ask invasive questions of the other HMs, but this has backfired for the producers because she's so inept and ham-fisted that even the 'aspiring celebrities' (to use a polite term) don't want to talk about themselves while she's there.

Natalie is completely out of her depth in the role they've cast her in.

Superb. Hit the nail squarely on the head.

[y.winter]

It's boring and has no depth into it.
Why is she angry? because she's angry.
Why is she shouting? because shouting.

It's what she does for a living - being angry.
It's time to go to an anger management course.