[bbfan1991]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/y...thout-parole/#

Thoughts?

[Smithy]

seems right to me

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Smithy

seems right to me

this

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

this

that

[MTVN]

I think it's wrong, you cant treat kids differently in every single respect throughout society and then treat him no differently than an adult in the justice system. You cant and shouldnt compare a child murderer to an adult murderer imo..

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it's wrong, you cant treat kids differently in every single respect throughout society and then treat him no differently than an adult in the justice system. You cant and shouldnt compare a child murderer to an adult murderer imo..

I'm pretty sure they both know what they are doing though.

[Stu]

End a life you should get life.

Jk lol I don't see things that black and white. The kid was eleven. He could have been helped and rehabilitated through extensive mental therapy to mould him into a functionable member of society. There was plenty of time. What's not to say he had a horrible upbringing and could have changed completely in a few years? It happens to drug addicts doesn't it? It happens to grown men and women when they 'find god' in the space of a day at the truck stop.

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I'm pretty sure they both know what they are doing though.

Yeah they both known in the visceral, immediate sense that they are ending a life ... but the difference in implications and world view etc between an adult and a child are endless.

Your brain doesn't stop developing at eleven, you know. Eleven year olds don't represent the current apex of human thought and understanding.

[InOne]

Probably only right. The kid is 13 now and if he is showing no signs of remorse he won't change. He's best kept away from Society

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

seems right to me

This.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I'm pretty sure they both know what they are doing though.

Maybe but I dont think you can trust an 11 year old to fully understand life and the consequences of their actions as well as an adult can. They're young, naive, stupid and impressionable and cant assess situations the same way an adult can. They also have a far better chance of being able to turn their lives around than adults can and I dont think it's possible to say that because he killed someone at 11 you can just mark him down as an evil murderer for life.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Stu

End a life you should get life.

Jk lol I don't see things that black and white. The kid was eleven. He could have been helped and rehabilitated through extensive mental therapy to mould him into a functionable member of society. There was plenty of time. What's not to say he had a horrible upbringing and could have changed completely in a few years? It happens to drug addicts doesn't it? It happens to grown men and women when they 'find god' in the space of a day at the truck stop.


Yeah they both known in the visceral, immediate sense that they are ending a life ... but the difference in implications and world view etc between an adult and a child are endless.

Your brain doesn't stop developing at eleven, you know. Eleven year olds don't represent the current apex of human thought and understanding.

You have a point, but I still believe he deserves life imprisonment

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Stu

End a life you should get life.

Jk lol I don't see things that black and white. The kid was eleven. He could have been helped and rehabilitated through extensive mental therapy to mould him into a functionable member of society. There was plenty of time. What's not to say he had a horrible upbringing and could have changed completely in a few years? It happens to drug addicts doesn't it? It happens to grown men and women when they 'find god' in the space of a day at the truck stop.


Yeah they both known in the visceral, immediate sense that they are ending a life ... but the difference in implications and world view etc between an adult and a child are endless.

Your brain doesn't stop developing at eleven, you know. Eleven year olds don't represent the current apex of human thought and understanding.

Yeah, I agree with this

[ILoveTRW]

Death penalty would be more deserving.

[Angus]

Jon Venables is a living testament as to how a vicious 10 year old child killer, despite being given every chance of rehabilitation, and every help in establishing a new identity and a new life, grows up and continues to offend, secure in the knowledge that our pathetic justice system will continue to make excuses for him, and do gooders will continue to fall over themselves to "explain" his despicable crimes and offer him "rehabilitation".

I doubt Jamie Bulger's parents give a rat's behind as to whether the two scumbags who killed their 2 year old son without an ounce of compassion or remorse, "turn their lives around".

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

another joyful post from angus

[Patrick]

Suicide is the only way out.

No honestly, if I was in that position that's what I'd do.

[Stu]

Those damn do gooders! Always trying to do good!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by angus58

Jon Venables is a living testament as to how a vicious 10 year old child killer, despite being given every chance of rehabilitation, and every help in establishing a new identity and a new life, grows up and continues to offend, secure in the knowledge that our pathetic justice system will continue to make excuses for him, and do gooders will continue to fall over themselves to "explain" his despicable crimes and offer him "rehabilitation".

I doubt Jamie Bulger's parents give a rat's behind as to whether the two scumbags who killed their 2 year old son without an ounce of compassion or remorse, "turn their lives around".

Obviously rehabilitation is possible, even more so in the cases of children, and all actions can be explained, it is of great benefit to us all to try and better understand why people commit the crimes they do.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Stu

Those damn do gooders! Always trying to do good!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

Jon Venables is a living testament as to how a vicious 10 year old child killer, despite being given every chance of rehabilitation, and every help in establishing a new identity and a new life, grows up and continues to offend, secure in the knowledge that our pathetic justice system will continue to make excuses for him, and do gooders will continue to fall over themselves to "explain" his despicable crimes and offer him "rehabilitation".

I doubt Jamie Bulger's parents give a rat's behind as to whether the two scumbags who killed their 2 year old son without an ounce of compassion or remorse, "turn their lives around".

I take it from that post you are a glass half empty type of person eh?

You could look at it from another angle and say so far the rehabilitators in this case had a 50% success rate.

Bearing in mind when he comes up for early release after serving half of his two year term later this year, the Parole Board have to evaluate first his rehabilitation on the child porn charges, and then if his life licence should be reinstalled.

[InOne]

Well I'm sure he will be closely watched, and they know the signs to look out for. There isn't really that much information on the case or his upbringing, or what he's done for two years. The the fact he pleaded "not guilty" surely says something. If he's in for say 20 years and let out it could end up even worse.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Smithy

seems right to me

Originally Posted by Ninastar

this

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

that

Originally Posted by InOne

Probably only right. The kid is 13 now and if he is showing no signs of remorse he won't change. He's best kept away from Society

Originally Posted by Jessica.

This.

These

[Stu]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well I'm sure he will be closely watched, and they know the signs to look out for. There isn't really that much information on the case or his upbringing, or what he's done for two years. The the fact he pleaded "not guilty" surely says something. If he's in for say 20 years and let out it could end up even worse.

I imagine he didn't handle his own legal case.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Stu

I imagine he didn't handle his own legal case.

Seems an odd plea though, why would they let him? That is the reason why he got life. Obviously he didn't handle it all himself but he must've made the decision to go with that even if it was against their will.

[Stu]

Couldn't tell you, TBH. His legal team obviously thought he might have gotten away with it or that the sentencing could have went different or something. I didn't follow the case so I can't say for sure.

Tis happened before though.