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View Poll Results: How guarded are you when it comes to respecting your confidantes’ personal info.?
I’m extremely guarded at the mouth so I’d never betray a confidence, ever 6 75.00%
I’m extremely guarded at the mouth so I’d never betray a confidence, ever
6 75.00%
Like 1 but I’d betray a confidence if that person then went on to hurt or betray me somehow 1 12.50%
Like 1 but I’d betray a confidence if that person then went on to hurt or betray me somehow
1 12.50%
I’d talk if there was a situational reason for it but only in a closed bubble 1 12.50%
I’d talk if there was a situational reason for it but only in a closed bubble
1 12.50%
I’m not instinctively very discreet or private but when told specifically to hush, fairs 0 0%
I’m not instinctively very discreet or private but when told specifically to hush, fairs
0 0%
I’m not going to lie, I find it hard to keep secrets but I’ll do it if I respect the person enough 0 0%
I’m not going to lie, I find it hard to keep secrets but I’ll do it if I respect the person enough
0 0%
Yeah, don’t tell me anything in confidence. I’m a gossip (even if Redway hates people like me) 0 0%
Yeah, don’t tell me anything in confidence. I’m a gossip (even if Redway hates people like me)
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Old 31-08-2023, 01:04 AM #1
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Default How discreet are you when it comes to keeping confidential information that way?

Listen, we all love a good gossip here-and-there (myself-included) and that’s even healthy but there’s a difference between that and running your mouth about people you barely know to people who know them even less (especially when what you saying might not even be true) but we don’t judge each-other as much on TiBB so it’s okay. Let’s just get into it and lay our discretionary (or lack thereof) cards on the table.
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If I am told something in confidence I will take it to my grave
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If I am told something in confidence I will take it to my grave
It’s good you’re capable of preserving trust like that. I’m alright with any of my first three options as far as other people’s reasoning goes (I understand there’s a reason for them) but on the other extreme some people think they know things about people that the person wouldn’t even want them to think or know and sound it from Jericho Walls to anyone with ears, and then wonder why that person doesn’t let them become anything like friends to them. Some people have no filters, boundaries or respect for people’s dignity whatsoever.
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Bit of a dual answer here. If something is said in confidence then I will keep it that way - with the caveat of understanding that if you tell me something, you are telling both me and my wife that thing. We talk about literally everything. Essentially it's not just that I might tell her, I 100% definitely will tell her, and vice versa. However for both of us, it will go no further than that.

I think that should generally be assumed of most long term/married couples, though.

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Bit of a dual answer here. If something is said in confidence then I will keep it that way - with the caveat of understanding that if you tell me something, you are telling both me and my wife that thing. We talk about literally everything. Essentially it's not just that I might tell her, I 100% definitely will tell her, and vice versa. However for both of us, it will go no further than that.

I think that should generally be assumed of most long term/married couples, though.
I know a lot of people do that but I still don’t understand it. Your spouse doesn’t have to know the ins and outs of other people’s lives. They’re not married to them.
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I know a lot of people do that but I still don’t understand it. Your spouse doesn’t have to know the ins and outs of other people’s lives. They’re not married to them.
When you've been married for 15 years (and are close) you become sort of a hive mind. I don't have to tell her anything, we just... do talk about everything. I just tend to assume that if I tell a friend who is married something, then their partner will also know about it, and that's fine. If it was then spread any further than that from either of them, I wouldn't be happy.
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When you've been married for 15 years (and are close) you become sort of a hive mind. I don't have to tell her anything, we just... do talk about everything. I just tend to assume that if I tell a friend who is married something, then their partner will also know about it, and that's fine. If it was then spread any further than that from either of them, I wouldn't be happy.
I wouldn’t be happy with someone’s spouse who doesn’t know me and isn’t anything to do with me becoming privy to personal information second-hand but then worse stuff happens behind closed doors, and spouses aren’t always comfortable doing secrets. But if it went any further than that without a good reason you’d probably be dead to me from that point. And if you work in an environment where confidentiality’s important then the information generally stays within those four walls and then you go home. I wouldn’t be telling my spouse about that or expect them to feel entitled to know just because we’re married.
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I wouldn’t be happy with someone’s spouse who doesn’t know me and isn’t anything to do with me becoming privy to personal information second-hand but then worse stuff happens behind closed doors, and spouses aren’t always comfortable doing secrets. But if it went any further than that without a good reason you’d probably be dead to me from that point. And if you work in an environment where confidentiality’s important then the information generally stays within those four walls and then you go home. I wouldn’t be telling my spouse about that or expect them to feel entitled to know just because we’re married.
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The old saying first impressions count, comes to mind

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By posting your views and and sharing information on here people will have an opinion of you

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For me lots of people open up to me, they are not sharing their secrets they are sharing their pain and their fears because they trust me not to judge them
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Bit of a dual answer here. If something is said in confidence then I will keep it that way - with the caveat of understanding that if you tell me something, you are telling both me and my wife that thing. We talk about literally everything. Essentially it's not just that I might tell her, I 100% definitely will tell her, and vice versa. However for both of us, it will go no further than that.

I think that should generally be assumed of most long term/married couples, though.
I think that's generally true for me but not always. I wouldn't tell Gav personal things my closest girlfriends tell me, I would see that as a betrayal of their confidence and he really doesn't need (or really want) to know anyway. I would tell him some stuff but not things that they'd find it embarrassing for a guy to know or just want it kept in our girls circle, if you know what I mean?
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I think that's generally true for me but not always. I wouldn't tell Gav personal things my closest girlfriends tell me, I would see that as a betrayal of their confidence and he really doesn't need (or really want) to know anyway. I would tell him some stuff but not things that they'd find it embarrassing for a guy to know or just want it kept in our girls circle, if you know what I mean?
Pretty much this

Mrs SB is probably keeping loads of things from SB without his knowledge
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i only share gossip with ChatGPT which is totally private of course
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Yeah i can keep things to myself, especially if revealing them means other people would get hurt. I dunno if i was right or wrong in this case, but a friend of mine who was in a relationship with my GF's (at the time) best friend, had cheated on her a few times (with the same woman). I knew about this and chose not to say anything, one because by telling my GF it would put her in an awful predicament, and two because my friend has asked me not to say anything.

Morally maybe it was wrong of me, but in some cases it's probably best to keep your mouth shut.
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The second option I drafted in the poll (generally being happy to keep schtum and respect their privacy but spilling when you fall out with that person) is a big one. I generally don’t even do that but one thing I’ve definitely done in the past is waiting for a fall-out to mention things about that person that aren’t so brilliant and never mentioning them outside that context even when I’ve been asked directly. Sometimes it’s easier to just lie about stuff if you’re on good terms with the person and you’re not trying to hurt their feelings, sometimes it’s actually wiser to keep quiet about stuff until that person’s out of your life enough to finally be confronted with the fact that you always knew about all their smack-talking and gaslighting (or whatever it was, as the case may be) and sometimes it’s better to just keep it pushing in that middle ground of ‘I’ll answer honestly if you ask me to evaluate one particular part of your life for good or bad but bearing in mind that some things are generally best left unsaid at the time.’ But blabbing about things that didn’t particularly bother me at the time (especially if we actually talked about it and ironed out what our issues were) just because of a fall-out with that person has never been my style. I’m never going to speak positively about you if I’m that vexed with you but I’ll still keep your confidence.
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People don’t need to know you to have an opinion of you
The old saying first impressions count, comes to mind

The only way to guarantee your personal information doesn’t get shared is not to share it.

By posting your views and and sharing information on here people will have an opinion of you

The only way you give people power over you is by actually caring what they think
First impressions count alright. Some people are incapable of letting them go even after they’ve gotten to know the person a little bit better.
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First impressions count alright. Some people are incapable of letting them go even after they’ve gotten to know the person a little bit better.
Hope you are not referring to me

I did want to ask you?

You are clearly an intelligent man , why are you struggling with your finance’s
You should be in a well paid job
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I did want to ask you?

You are clearly an intelligent man , why are you struggling with your finance’s
You should be in a well paid job
I wasn’t referring to you. Don’t worry.

You could’ve asked me about this in the actual thread but let’s just say that’s what accumulated debt and loans from years ago can do to you. I’ve just about managed to clear off most of it but I’ve still got a long way to go before I can say I’m happy with my state of finances again.
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I wasn’t referring to you. Don’t worry.

You could’ve asked me about this in the actual thread but let’s just say that’s what accumulated debt and loans from years ago can do to you. I’ve just about managed to clear off most of it but I’ve still got a long way to go before I can say I’m happy with my state of finances again.
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I hate keeping secrets....I'm far to honest for my own good. Having said that I can be trusted because the last thing I would ever want to be accused of is betraying someones trust...
However if that person betrayed me in any shape or form I would find it very hard not to do the same to them...
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I hate keeping secrets....I'm far to honest for my own good. Having said that I can be trusted because the last thing I would ever want to be accused of is betraying someones trust...
However if that person betrayed me in any shape or form I would find it very hard not to do the same to them...
Yeah, don’t worry. I get that. I think we’ve all been tempted on this thread.
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Bit of a dual answer here. If something is said in confidence then I will keep it that way - with the caveat of understanding that if you tell me something, you are telling both me and my wife that thing. We talk about literally everything. Essentially it's not just that I might tell her, I 100% definitely will tell her, and vice versa. However for both of us, it will go no further than that.

I think that should generally be assumed of most long term/married couples, though.
I understand why this happens but it does make me a bit cautious about what I'd tell my married friends

Had a situation before where something has happened you wouldn't want talked about, guy tells his wife 'in confidence', she tells her best friend 'in confidence', her friend tells her parents 'in confidence' and before you know it it's all over the place!
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I understand why this happens but it does make me a bit cautious about what I'd tell my married friends

Had a situation before where something has happened you wouldn't want talked about, guy tells his wife 'in confidence', she tells her best friend 'in confidence', her friend tells her parents 'in confidence' and before you know it it's all over the place!

That’s so true…
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If you tell someone they will tell someone else

100%

So if you dont want anyone to know

tell noone
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I understand why this happens but it does make me a bit cautious about what I'd tell my married friends

Had a situation before where something has happened you wouldn't want talked about, guy tells his wife 'in confidence', she tells her best friend 'in confidence', her friend tells her parents 'in confidence' and before you know it it's all over the place!
To be fair, I wouldn't tell my wife those things (and vice versa) if I wasn't 100% certain she wouldn't share them with other people, and it's also not "non-consensual" I guess you would say, I have a small number of very close friends who are likely to confide anything massively personal and they do that knowing that they're essentially confiding in both of us. And that goes both ways too, I don't share anything with them without expecting that I'm sharing it with their partners too. We're all old men in 15+ year relationships.
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