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Jamietwo · 15-12-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

There is an inherent physical threat around the sexual objectification of women that is simply non existent in the sexual objectification of men.
Most of the time we accept that tacitly and chose our limits and our viewing options. This **** should not be included in a family show.

patsy ... i thought that women did the sexy thing these days in a more empowered way you know with a **** you attitude feminist thing, I thought rhianna conveyed a lot more than tits and arse . These women arn't scantily clad backing singers for some cock of an r+b/rap star (I hate that and btw aphex twin window licker did a good job of sending it up, you tube it) these are successful independent women with talent. It's like a yeah i've got a beautiful body and a strong sexuality and I can express it and have the right not to be touched...half the world is dominated by men who force women to cover up and be in their place. rhianna had this real air of untouchable strength about her. karen capenter used to stand there covered from the neck down in a flowery shapless smock looking like she'd just just been let out of the kitchen for half an hour to sing a pretty song. I dunno about inherant physical threat...girls have the right to dress how they want in safety.

patsylimerick · 15-12-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

If they were good parents their kids would have been in bed when X Factor was on.

At 7.30pm on a Saturday night? Nine year olds? I don't even have to ask if you're a parent yourself.

Pathetic.

Next.

patsylimerick · 15-12-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamietwo

patsy ... i thought that women did the sexy thing these days in a more empowered way you know with a **** you attitude feminist thing, I thought rhianna conveyed a lot more than tits and arse . These women arn't scantily clad backing singers for some cock of an r+b/rap star (I hate that and btw aphex twin window licker did a good job of sending it up, you tube it) these are successful independent women with talent. It's like a yeah i've got a beautiful body and a strong sexuality and I can express it and have the right not to be touched...half the world is dominated by men who force women to cover up and be in their place. rhianna had this real air of untouchable strength about her. karen capenter used to stand there covered from the neck down in a flowery shapless smock looking like she'd just just been let out of the kitchen for half an hour to sing a pretty song. I dunno about inherant physical threat...girls have the right to dress how they want in safety.

I was waiting for this one. What a load of unadulterated b***sh*t. I'm not directing that at you personally, you understand, but at this hackneyed justification which is exactly what the fat middle-aged men who run record companies want you to believe. It's c**p. For me, what's happening in women's pop music is almost as insidious as those societies where women are forced to cover up completely. Not quite, but almost. It's objectification and exploitation and people can shout 'prude' as long and as loud as they want. The truth hurts, sometimes.

Jamietwo · 15-12-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I was waiting for this one. What a load of unadulterated b***sh*t. I'm not directing that at you personally, you understand, but at this hackneyed justification which is exactly what the fat middle-aged men who run record companies want you to believe. It's c**p. For me, what's happening in women's pop music is almost as insidious as those societies where women are forced to cover up completely. Not quite, but almost. It's objectification and exploitation and people can shout 'prude' as long and as loud as they want. The truth hurts, sometimes.

well there are a lot of strong female role models for young girls out there these days dressed or undressed... from politicians to pop stars. Behavior towards women shouldn't have to depend on how they dress. Anyway Patsy I'm glad you are here expressing your self and if there were 2000 complaints that's a significant amount of strong opinion out there, and I respect that too. x

Miss Ivy Balls · 15-12-2010, 10:26 AM

I was about to respect your opinion, but you seem to have a different attitude if it is men doing it or Alexander Burke because in your words she is a 'product'.

Kind of flings the fish out the window, if you ask me.

patsylimerick · 15-12-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Ivy Balls

I was about to respect your opinion, but you seem to have a different attitude if it is men doing it or Alexander Burke because in your words she is a 'product'.

Kind of flings the fish out the window, if you ask me.

I said she's a lovely girl, didn't I? Her performance is a product and, I'd imagine, her video differs not much at all from the performances we're discussing. I'd object to it as much as to Christina and Rihanna's performance. Because they are all products objectified by male music industry power brokers. The product is the victim. It's not a derogatory term, more an observtion. I don't want to watch any of it. It makes me feel ill, but, as I've repatedly said, I'm a mother and this is the entertainment of my children's choice. So, rather than just accepting that this is how it is, I choose to voice my disapproval.

Niamh. · 15-12-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamietwo

patsy ... i thought that women did the sexy thing these days in a more empowered way you know with a **** you attitude feminist thing, I thought rhianna conveyed a lot more than tits and arse . These women arn't scantily clad backing singers for some cock of an r+b/rap star (I hate that and btw aphex twin window licker did a good job of sending it up, you tube it) these are successful independent women with talent. It's like a yeah i've got a beautiful body and a strong sexuality and I can express it and have the right not to be touched...half the world is dominated by men who force women to cover up and be in their place. rhianna had this real air of untouchable strength about her. karen capenter used to stand there covered from the neck down in a flowery shapless smock looking like she'd just just been let out of the kitchen for half an hour to sing a pretty song. I dunno about inherant physical threat...girls have the right to dress how they want in safety.

karen Carpenter had anorexia and thought she was fat, I doubt she would have wanted to wear less tbh!

Niamh. · 15-12-2010, 11:02 AM

It was a bit much for a family show tbh, I didn't have the urge to ring in and complain cos I realise that music videos etc are all like this but I thought it was a bit too racy (especially Christinas) for a show that's watched by a lot of young kids.

Miss Ivy Balls · 15-12-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I said she's a lovely girl, didn't I? Her performance is a product and, I'd imagine, her video differs not much at all from the performances we're discussing. I'd object to it as much as to Christina and Rihanna's performance. Because they are all products objectified by male music industry power brokers. The product is the victim. It's not a derogatory term, more an observtion. I don't want to watch any of it. It makes me feel ill, but, as I've repatedly said, I'm a mother and this is the entertainment of my children's choice. So, rather than just accepting that this is how it is, I choose to voice my disapproval.

OK, but I get the impression it is OK if it was males to be doing it or Alexander because she's a 'nice girl'?

patsylimerick · 15-12-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Ivy Balls

OK, but I get the impression it is OK if it was males to be doing it or Alexander because she's a 'nice girl'?

No, no, no. Crossed wires, I think. I hate that Alexandra's doing it, like I hate that they are all doing it. It's never a judgement on them as women, it's a judgement on the power brokers in the industry they work within. And I've clearly stated my view that it is COMPLETELY different to sexually objectify men; because while men do get raped and domestically abused, the OVERWHELMING physical threat comes from men and is aimed at women. This objectification normalises perceptions of women as sexual playthings. It's extremely, extremely dangerous. In my opinion, of course.

Pato · 15-12-2010, 11:10 AM

I am shocked :-O what sick bastard would complain over something like that ?

InOne · 15-12-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Oh believe me, it ain't my whole world. The point is, intelligent as they may be, they are young and impressionable and, as I'm not one of those parents to put the TV on the skip, they are being exposed to the central tenets of popular culture. and one of those tenets, at the moment, is that women have to channel ***** to be successful in music. Now tell me, do you not think that's even a little bit pathetic? By the by, me and the kids had forgotten it by 6am when I was telling them to shurrup or they were put in the car and taken home, but the gist of this thread before I joined in was just jaw dropping mindless populist garbage. Forgive me for voicing my opinion - thought that's what I was here for.

You just seemed a little OTT sweetie. That's all

Kazanne · 15-12-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by \PJ/

but it's still suggestive.

He wasn't gyrating or pouting,it was a photo of a man dressed in Christmas pants,lol,it was funny more than anything,as for Saturday night,I CAN understand why people got annoyed,kids from a young age DO get influenced by images and TV,it didn't offend me as such,my children did not see it,but I'm glad they didn't as I don't want my little girl thinking that is how you have to be to be to be successful as a woman,I am sure they could have been as good toned down a bit.

Lee. · 15-12-2010, 02:07 PM

Remeber that advert where Duffy cycled through a supermarket, singing (and souding astonishingly like Orville)? I think it was for Coca Cola?

Ofcom received complaints about that becasue she wasn't wearing the correct safety equipment! .. Nuff said

Having said that I do think kids see too much suggestiveness and crudity on television.. My daughter LOVES Lady GaGa and I've caught her a couple of times watching her videos which in my opinion are just too raunchy for a 6 year old! FFS I see some 11/12 years old dressed like miniature ho's!

I think kids should be kept as young and as innocent as possible.

Tom4784 · 15-12-2010, 02:12 PM

I still don't get the fuss really, we've seen burlesque acts before on BGT and worse but there's never been that many complaints and all Rihanna did as strut around a bit. There's more sexuality in a shampoo advert then those performances really.

InOne · 15-12-2010, 02:15 PM

Shouldn't all these mothers complaining be knitting or something?

Niamh. · 15-12-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge

Shouldn't all these mothers complaining be knitting or something?

I'm not making a big deal about it really, I just thought Christinas was a bit much, my 6 year old covered his eyes when she was on and even Gav thought it was a bit too much. It doesn't bother me personally but you kind of cringe inside a bit when your young kids are sitting there watching it!

InOne · 15-12-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NingleBells

I'm not making a big deal about it really, I just thought Christinas was a bit much, my 6 year old covered his eyes when she was on and even Gav thought it was a bit too much. It doesn't bother me personally but you kind of cringe inside a bit when your young kids are sitting there watching it!

It's a family show but it's not exactly a kids show. This is what they do.

Niamh. · 15-12-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge

It's a family show but it's not exactly a kids show. This is what they do.

family would include kids though, kids always watch that show, I mean it started at 7:30

InOne · 15-12-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NingleBells

family would include kids though, kids always watch that show, I mean it started at 7:30

Yeah but vids are on that are more raunchy than on music channels at 7:30am which kids always watch.

Niamh. · 15-12-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge

Yeah but vids are on that are more raunchy than on music channels at 7:30am which kids always watch.

I know, I said that I do understand that, doesn't stop you feeling a bit uncomfortable though and my kids don't really watch music videos anyway. Luckily for me my daughter seems to have pretty good taste in music so far and isn't into the usual teeny stuff.........so far anyhow!

InOne · 15-12-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NingleBells

I know, I said that I do understand that, doesn't stop you feeling a bit uncomfortable though and my kids don't really watch music videos anyway. Luckily for me my daughter seems to have pretty good taste in music so far and isn't into the usual teeny stuff.........so far anyhow!

Too bad her mother likes Matt Cardle