[Miss Ivy Balls]

I was about to respect your opinion, but you seem to have a different attitude if it is men doing it or Alexander Burke because in your words she is a 'product'.

Kind of flings the fish out the window, if you ask me.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Miss Ivy Balls

I was about to respect your opinion, but you seem to have a different attitude if it is men doing it or Alexander Burke because in your words she is a 'product'.

Kind of flings the fish out the window, if you ask me.

I said she's a lovely girl, didn't I? Her performance is a product and, I'd imagine, her video differs not much at all from the performances we're discussing. I'd object to it as much as to Christina and Rihanna's performance. Because they are all products objectified by male music industry power brokers. The product is the victim. It's not a derogatory term, more an observtion. I don't want to watch any of it. It makes me feel ill, but, as I've repatedly said, I'm a mother and this is the entertainment of my children's choice. So, rather than just accepting that this is how it is, I choose to voice my disapproval.

[Miss Ivy Balls]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I said she's a lovely girl, didn't I? Her performance is a product and, I'd imagine, her video differs not much at all from the performances we're discussing. I'd object to it as much as to Christina and Rihanna's performance. Because they are all products objectified by male music industry power brokers. The product is the victim. It's not a derogatory term, more an observtion. I don't want to watch any of it. It makes me feel ill, but, as I've repatedly said, I'm a mother and this is the entertainment of my children's choice. So, rather than just accepting that this is how it is, I choose to voice my disapproval.

OK, but I get the impression it is OK if it was males to be doing it or Alexander because she's a 'nice girl'?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Miss Ivy Balls

OK, but I get the impression it is OK if it was males to be doing it or Alexander because she's a 'nice girl'?

No, no, no. Crossed wires, I think. I hate that Alexandra's doing it, like I hate that they are all doing it. It's never a judgement on them as women, it's a judgement on the power brokers in the industry they work within. And I've clearly stated my view that it is COMPLETELY different to sexually objectify men; because while men do get raped and domestically abused, the OVERWHELMING physical threat comes from men and is aimed at women. This objectification normalises perceptions of women as sexual playthings. It's extremely, extremely dangerous. In my opinion, of course.