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Kazanne · 15-12-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

It'd be done privately and I guess the mods could just give people bans at a later date after they'd come forward so that people don't assume anything. I dunno, just throwing ideas out there.

Essentially I think TiBB doesn't need the return of someone who thinks it's funny to create a hate blog, send pictures of his genitals via private messages to half the forum or stalk people around the internet writing abuse on things they do that have nothing to do with TiBB. He doesn't take this place at all seriously or the people on it - and every high and mighty person likes to say "it's just the internet, don't take it so seriously" but do you know what? That's not true at all. We're all human beings with emotions and feelings and sometimes they can be hurt, especially on the internet where some people don't seem to think the things they say and do have any impact once they've hit the submit reply button. That's why those people end up being excluded from our community and are left begging to return - and I don't think Scott has ever or will ever learn his lesson. He's been given enough second chances. Enough is enough in my opinion.

Well said Zee.

Vicky. · 15-12-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

I think Scott's ban should only be reconsidered if other people are willing to come forward and face consequences of that burn blog. Seems like a fair trade to me. It's the reason he was put on an indefinite ban because nobody else could be held accountable for it.

Now theres an interesting thought..I would bet that the majority of the comments were made by scotts 'friends' and those who are currently campaigning for him to come back too.

As for the ban itself, I dont agree that there should be a definite time frame tbh. Otherwise we would have just put a 3/6 month or whatever ban on. I will be honest and say I dont really know what an indefinite ban is, but its a lot better than the other option, which would have been a permaban.

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Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Well it looks like I'm about to go completely against the grain...

If this was (more or less) any other member who had created that website, it would have been their first ever serious misdemeanour related to TiBB, they'd have been given a 3 month ban and they'd never have done something so mind numbingly stupid ever again. I don't agree that it was an off-site matter because the blog was being linked on TiBB, encouraging TiBB members to post on it, about other TiBB members. It was very much an on-site matter. But this was not any other member. This was Scott, who has been banned so many times before (including a previous permanent ban when he was pisshead, and absolutely nobody realised he was a previously banned member until he'd become a regular member as simonsays and it was probably a bit too late to ban him again) - and do you know what? I think Scott's never really taken the forum and its moderators seriously ever since. Every single time he has pushed the limit just that little bit further, he's been banned for a few months at a time and then been allowed back.

Yes, he was not the only one to post on that blog. Yes, it is unfair that everyone else hid behind anonymity and nobody else confessed to posting on it. But do you know why I think it's totally fair that Scott was banned? Because there was absolutely no reason to create that blog. It didn't start out as a blog for pictures of Simon Le Bon smiling at small children. It didn't start out as a blog dedicated solely to what the red peppers team in Ready Steady Cook had made since the show began. It was created to write offensive comments about people that use this forum. Why would we ever allow someone back who thinks so little of this place and the people on it that he wanted people to post hateful comments on it?

Scott is never going to change. He has never changed. It's not because he's an inherently horrible person, it's because his personal circumstances are complicated and while we all can understand that and feel bad for him, and we can laugh at his sense of humour when he's being funny, what nobody is willing to openly say, it seems, is that he's completely unpredictable and cannot be trusted to post on here normally because at any given moment he'll do something completely over the top and be banned for another three months. Why do we keep perpetuating the cycle? He doesn't take it seriously so why are we acting like another mid-range ban is going to sort him out?

says it all tbh. Scott has been banned so many times, had a 3 month, a 6 month AND a permaban before and stuff like this still happens. Also there was more to scotts ban than just the burn blog..as he knows himself too.

I wouldn't be totally opposed to him coming back, I quite like scott. But its just ridiculous that so many members have so little respect for the rules, and then have people willing to stand their corner when they **** up again. Its so annoying. No matter what some people do, its not them in the wrong for some reason.

GypsyGoth · 15-12-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would bet that the majority of the comments were made by scotts 'friends' and those who are currently campaigning for him to come back too.

I consider Scott a friend of mine here and I guess you could say I've campaigned for him to be allowed back, I did make this rather amazing pic

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However I did not post in this blog, I didn't even see the thing, not to say I'm an angel, I'm not sure what I would have done had I seen the thing. But yea I didn't even get to read it like the majority of people here, if I had I'd have a better understanding of who and how many were affected by it.

Also I think turning this thread into a witch hunt is wrong.

madame_lalaurie · 15-12-2013, 04:30 PM

first i just want to say i only made this multi because i wanted to have my say and i have no intention of making anymore but this is the only way i can get my point across and once i have posted this i will have nothing more to say

first of all kate i just want to say that i know there is bad blood between us but i really really admire you for the stuff you have said in this thread so thank you

and some of the stuff posted in this thread is completely wrong, i have been on a 3 month ban before (that is the longest i have ever had) but i have never ever been on a 6 month ban

and idk how my first perma from 2007 is relevant because the slate was supposedly wiped clean when i came clean about it and changed my name to scott (and lets get some prospective here it was almost 6 years ago and i was a teenage boy who had only had broadband installed 2 weeks earlier, plus i was permabanned because i got a 24 hour ban and made a multi, so the 3 strike rule that applied in 2007 never really happened for me but whatever)

anyway i dont even know how i feel about the current ban myself, part of me feels as though a permaban would be completely justified because i have crossed the line so many times but anything i have ever done or said on the forum and offsite was never meant to hurt anybody. idk i just have a really ****ed up sense of humor and i guess i just dont consider other peoples feelings enough but whenever i have done or said something i never set out to purposely upset people (and you can all make your own mind up about whether i am telling the truth with that but at the end of the day only 1 person actually knows and that is me)

and yes i do regret everything that has happened not just because it got me banned but because i actually feel bad about it. like just now when i was reading this thread i saw kates post and i actually felt like crying because i just felt like **** for all the bad things i have ever said/done to her and she is still willing to forgive

and i really do agree with everybody that is opposed to me coming back (i agree with their reasons anyway) because everything that has been said (by zee in particular) is completely true apart from him saying that i will never change because this is actually the first time i have felt as though my future on the forum is uncertain and its been a big wake up call (i have never been given a ban longer than 3 months up until now)

and like he says i have never really taken the forum seriously or considered peoples feelings and i feel bad about that and if i do come back i will try my hardest to change

but yeah the point of making this multi was not to appeal for my ban to be lifted i just wanted to have my say (which is totally fair imo) and to apologize to people because i might not have the chance to do that again but dont think this is just some suck up attempt to get me back on the site because right now i just want people to know that i am sorry for everything that was done and said and i just know some people will read this and think oh this is just a false apology to make himself look good

so yeah to summarize i fully agree with the punishment i have been given (the only aspect i disagree with is the uncertainty of it all like if its a perma just tell me coz i think its cruel to just keep me hanging)

AND YOU DON'T NEED TO CLOSE THE THREAD thinking it has encouraged me to make a multi to cause trouble, once this has been posted i am gonna log out and that is that

Jessica. · 15-12-2013, 04:35 PM

Scott!

I agree that it's fair enough for you to have your say, I hope they will give you some kind of final answer about whether it's permanent or not.

Lee. · 15-12-2013, 04:36 PM

Hi Scott

Fair and genuine sounding post tbh

Kazanne · 15-12-2013, 04:36 PM

If that is you Scott,kudos for having your say

Shaun · 15-12-2013, 04:38 PM

Looking back, I think the permaban was an overreaction to a lot of sensitive issues brought up and mocked by other members than Scott.

Keeping him gone (even though he won't ever really be gone because people are going to talk about him on here and keep in touch with him elsewhere) is a little like cutting off the nose to spite your face. There're far more malicious, shallow and revolting little piss-stains roaming free inbetween 3 month and 6 month bans (over the course of 3 years? TAKE THE HINT, JAMES) but because they don't have the initiative to set up a site they get away with it? That's frankly stupid.

Jake. · 15-12-2013, 04:38 PM

Fair play Scott

Marcus. · 15-12-2013, 04:39 PM

well scott to get your point

Me. I Am Salman · 15-12-2013, 04:39 PM

madame laulaurie

Black Dagger · 15-12-2013, 04:41 PM

Wasn't Laulaurie a serial killer?

GypsyGoth · 15-12-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Negreindeer

Wasn't Laulaurie a serial killer?

She's a character from American Horror Story, and yep based on a real serial killer.

Niamh. · 15-12-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Well it looks like I'm about to go completely against the grain...

If this was (more or less) any other member who had created that website, it would have been their first ever serious misdemeanour related to TiBB, they'd have been given a 3 month ban and they'd never have done something so mind numbingly stupid ever again. I don't agree that it was an off-site matter because the blog was being linked on TiBB, encouraging TiBB members to post on it, about other TiBB members. It was very much an on-site matter. But this was not any other member. This was Scott, who has been banned so many times before (including a previous permanent ban when he was pisshead, and absolutely nobody realised he was a previously banned member until he'd become a regular member as simonsays and it was probably a bit too late to ban him again) - and do you know what? I think Scott's never really taken the forum and its moderators seriously ever since. Every single time he has pushed the limit just that little bit further, he's been banned for a few months at a time and then been allowed back.

Yes, he was not the only one to post on that blog. Yes, it is unfair that everyone else hid behind anonymity and nobody else confessed to posting on it. But do you know why I think it's totally fair that Scott was banned? Because there was absolutely no reason to create that blog. It didn't start out as a blog for pictures of Simon Le Bon smiling at small children. It didn't start out as a blog dedicated solely to what the red peppers team in Ready Steady Cook had made since the show began. It was created to write offensive comments about people that use this forum. Why would we ever allow someone back who thinks so little of this place and the people on it that he wanted people to post hateful comments on it?

Scott is never going to change. He has never changed. It's not because he's an inherently horrible person, it's because his personal circumstances are complicated and while we all can understand that and feel bad for him, and we can laugh at his sense of humour when he's being funny, what nobody is willing to openly say, it seems, is that he's completely unpredictable and cannot be trusted to post on here normally because at any given moment he'll do something completely over the top and be banned for another three months. Why do we keep perpetuating the cycle? He doesn't take it seriously so why are we acting like another mid-range ban is going to sort him out?

I agree with this.