[Liberty4eva]

Now who looks silly. Best of luck UK getting your country back.

[Greg!]

Yawn

[user104658]

Another one comes crawling out of the woodwork to gloat and chest-puff.

[smudgie]

I have to wonder, how many atrocities are committed by Americans rather than Muslims in America.
All those terrible school killings etc....bloody nutters, not Muslims.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Now who looks silly. Best of luck UK getting your country back.

America doesn't need terrorists from another country you lot do a better job of killing each other. Good luck with that.

[Mystic Mock]

Innocent Muslims shouldn't get banned from the country because of a hardline terrorist group that follows their Religion.

Imo what needs to happen is the Governments around the world need to screencheck the people that they're letting into the country, and if any of them has committed any form of murder/terrorism, rape, or paedophilia they're not allowed into the country.

[reece(:]

This is embarrassing

[Brother Leon]

No one from the Ban List has attacked the USA for 40 years. We are still laughing at your fool of a leader xo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

No one from the Ban List has attacked the USA for 40 years. We are still laughing at your fool of a leader xo.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

No one from the Ban List has attacked the USA for 40 years. We are still laughing at your fool of a leader xo.

Probably too busy attacking us as they can't get into the USA!

We are after-all far more welcoming!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Probably too busy attacking us as they can't get into the USA!

We are after-all far more welcoming!

So there is no home grown terrorism in the US?...

[King Gizzard]

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So there is no home grown terrorism in the US?...

I imagine so - but I haven't heard of anything there lately, have you? ISIS aren't attacking them like they are Europe - why do you think that is then?

It isn't as if the US are top of their friends list is it!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I imagine so - but I haven't heard of anything there lately, have you? ISIS aren't attacking them like they are Europe - why do you think that is then?

It isn't as if the US are top of their friends list is it!

I can't imagine... Enlighten me to how radicalisation is a thing here in Europe, but not the US.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I imagine so - but I haven't heard of anything there lately, have you? ISIS aren't attacking them like they are Europe - why do you think that is then?

Because immigrants are still generally better accepted and integrated within US society than they are in the UK, making young US first and second generation immigrants harder to radicalize... where as in the UK, we segregate and alienate our immigrant communities which allows the small number of true hate preachers to get their claws in and twist those people into killers.

If you're going to burp something like "Because they didn't let in so many Moslerms!!" at us, I'd invite you to check the stats, as there are more Muslims in the USA than there are in the UK, and so if your logic is correct, there should be more Muslim extremists in the USA than in the UK.

The --only-- answer - if you are correct about there being fewer - is that US Muslims are less likely to be radicalised than UK Muslims. I'd invite you to consider why that might be.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Probably too busy attacking us as they can't get into the USA!

We are after-all far more welcoming!

Didn't know they have had the Ban List for 40 years...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because immigrants are still generally better accepted and integrated within US society than they are in the UK, making young US first and second generation immiggrants harder to radicalize... where as in the UK, we segregate and alienate our immigrant communities which allows the small number of true hate preachers to get their claws in and twist those people into killers.

If you're going to burp something like "Because they didn't let in so many Moslerms!!" at us, I'd invite you to check the stats, as there are more Muslims in the USA than there are in the UK, and so if your logic is correct, there should be more Muslim extremists in the USA than in the UK.

The --only-- answer - if you are correct about there being fewer - is that US Muslims are less likely to be radicalised than UK Muslims. I'd invite you to consider why that might be.

In your opinion unless you can provide facts and figures? Immigrants have generally settled in their own communities, it doesn't mean they haven't integrated or been accepted, maybe it's different here in London but in the main immigrants are accepted, not sure what it's like up North but you can't speak for the whole country on this issue

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In your opinion unless you can provide facts and figures? Immigrants have generally settled in their own communities, it doesn't mean they haven't integrated or been accepted, maybe it's different here in London but in the main immigrants are accepted, not sure what it's like up North but you can't speak for the whole country on this issue

OK it's for no reason at all, immigrants in the US are just magically nicer than immigrants here and that's why we have more attacks. Just totally random. That's probably it.

[edit] Also, just to add, that post was specifically in quoted response to the question; Why do you think that is?

One might assume that this would be enough for anyone reading to deduce that the reply is, indeed, "why I think that is", or in other words, my opinion. I apologise if that wasn't clear enough. Apparently it's an ongoing issue, people assuming that I "think I know it all" because I don't plaster my posts with "maybe" and "in my opinion" - but I can certainly do so in future if it makes things easier.

[JTM45]

There are more people killed just by gunshot wounds alone in the in US in a single year (averages around 80,000) by US citizens than have been killed by terrorists across the entire planet in the last two thousand years.

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Now who looks silly.

That would still be Trump!
No President has ever looked sillier or has been less equipped to run the US.

And it wasn't just our Parliament who condemned Trump's (or Bannon's rather!) ridiculous attempt at a ban. It was also a lot of the US. It was a non-starter TWICE and will probably never be implemented.

We've never lost our Country either, unlike yours that's currently falling apart under the influence of Putin and his cronies.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OK it's for no reason at all, immigrants in the US are just magically nicer than immigrants here and that's why we have more attacks. Just totally random. That's probably it.

9/11 anyone also if that's the case it puts and end to the theory its all our own fault for getting involved in the wars

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

9/11 anyone

None of them were US citizens or residents??? Jesus wept Cherie if you're going to post about terrorism at least have a vague working knowledge of the worst terrorist attack in recent memory .

Sorry, wait, in my opinion none of them were American. And you know. In the opinion of objective facts.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

None of them were US citizens or residents??? Jesus wept Cherie if you're going to post about terrorism at least have a vague working knowledge of the worst terrorist attack in recent memory .

Sorry, wait, in my opinion none of them were American. And you know. In the opinion of objective facts.

How come they don't blame their adopted homeland for problems in Iraq, Syria etc

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How come they don't blame their adopted homeland for problems in Iraq, Syria etc

I'm sure plenty of them do? Just like plenty of non-immigrants do. There's a big difference between someone that sees the problems caused by western interference and the middle east, and a radicalized religious extremist. The point is that people who feel welcomed and accepted in their host countries are far less likely to want to harm anyone there, or to feel frustrated and outcast enough to turn to extremist rhetoric for answers, than those who are demonized and ostracized. That should surely be pretty obvious?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm sure plenty of them do? Just like plenty of non-immigrants do. There's a big difference between someone that sees the problems caused by western interference and the middle east, and a radicalized religious extremist. The point is that people who feel welcomed and accepted in their host countries are far less likely to want to harm anyone there, or to feel frustrated and outcast enough to turn to extremist rhetoric for answers, than those who are demonized and ostracized. That should surely be pretty obvious?

What is obvious to me is that the mindset that blames a lack of integration on non-Muslims alone without any mention of the role Muslims play in that is without credibility.

Many Muslims alienate themselves by their own actions and refusal to integrate into Western society - that is their choice and their responsibility. Why do you always try to make it a non-Muslim Problem - it isn't.

And whilst you continue to insist it is the evil 'racists' that are to blame for all the problems and not holding the Muslim community to account in any way for their attitudes and part to play in these problems - it's all a crock of pointless s***e.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What is obvious to me is that the mindset that blames a lack of integration on non-Muslims alone without any mention of the role Muslims play in that is without credibility.

Many Muslims alienate themselves by their own actions and refusal to integrate into Western society - that is their choice and their responsibility. Why do you always try to make it a non-Muslim Problem - it isn't.

And whilst you continue to insist it is the evil 'racists' that are to blame for all the problems and not holding the Muslim community to account in any way for their attitudes and part to play in these problems - it's all a crock of pointless s***e.

You are missing the point, what TS is highlighting are reasons the communities may not want to or find it hard to integrate.