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Originally Posted by Dezzy

More attempts at validating the anti-vaxx movement while not dealing with the utter hypocrisy how you approach the different sides. You're just being the Abby Huntsman of anti-vaxx.

If pretending that I'm an anti-vax shill helps you to get your head around advocating distasteful levels of government authoritarianism, then by all means continue. I'm not and have presented numerous rguments for vaccination throughout this thread. Just... you know... real ones, instead of imaginary ones.

At the end of the day we are seeing a rise of infection rates of illnesses that were almost non-existent before, that's purely because of the anti-vaxx movement and their stupidity is putting people who genuinely have valid reasons to not be vaccinated at risk. You can jump through as many hoops as you like but thousands of kids get immunised every day without incident and everything that anti-vaxxers preach is basically bull**** regurgitated from a conman doctor that was struck off the register.

I don't disagree with any of that (unless you're trying to claim that vaccine injury rate is zero?), it's just not enough to convince me that the best way to address it is through lies and misquoted statistics, or that it justifies the tacit removal of bodily autonomy by government. Never, ever will.

Even if this bill goes through, it's not gonna force parents to immunise their children, it just means that if their insane beliefs are more important to them then the well being of their child, they'll have to homeschool them instead.

Consent under duress is not consent. This is a concept that already applies to medical procedure consent. This stuff is far more vital to a well-functioning world than vaccination rates. Maybe you don't agree, and that's fine too.