[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

1. If we leave there will I believe be a rush to get here before we do so, however I think te figures will not decrease that much nor do I think they will after we leave.
Why because I cannot see a responsible UK govt. leaving the single market.
I also think and believe no way at all will it be that all the other 27 Nations of the EU, will give the UK a deal that does not include the free movement still of EU citizens.
So I do not think we will be able to do anything about the numbers except the numbers we can now, from non EU Countries.

2. The contribution that is around £175 million a week now, not the £350million lie 'leave' state now, I largely expect to in reality stay the same.
You may want to join in the other Conservatives who are calling Cameron a liar on this but he has stated that our contribution cannot now be changed without our agreement.
So I do not think in reality the EU will even attempt it, we may be asked to help with more contributions, however I take his word that if a UK govts does not want to, then it will not have to.
If I was a betting man, I would say I;d expect an increase at some time with the UK govts agreement,but I doubt anything of note.

Now you answer me this, where in any shape or form has the EU stated that the leave sides claim of us leaving the EU will mean we can stop EU free movement of its citizen and still get a trading deal.
Name one EU nation or any of the RU hierarchy that has said that is even possible never mind probable.
Are you guaranteeing our govt,will definitely insist on no free movement of EU citizens.
They are not bound to do so by this referendum, which is only about EU membership not the finer detail.

Also, tell me one Nation out of the EU, who is a friend and/or ally of the UK, that has jumped up and said, if the UK leaves the EU, they will really step up to the mark, give us much bigger and better trading deals with them.

Even from the likes of China,India, Australia,and the USA comes te advice that we should stay in the EU, for us.
So just what 'real' deals can you substantiate for your argument on that.

Just one Nation form either point because I know of not one.

You know what, why on earth should I be cross examined by you anyway, it is a bit rich when all the leave side arguments are ifs, maybe's and don't knows.
Whereas, I know what we have with being a member of the EU, as does just a bout everyone committed on the leave and remain sides know what the deals is as members of the EU anyway.

What you have just posted above are also if's and buts too Joey because the reality of the situation of IN or OUT is that no one actually knows for certain. Not me or you. No one but the un elected presidents of the EU who will decide for me and for you. From reading your posts i take it you are pro democracy. The EU is anti democracy. So i hope you understand just what you are giving up. You mentioned gambling, if you were to bet etc... You have also clearly stated in other posts that you are not willing to gamble on this issue so i'm confused now because to me voting to remain IN the EU is a massive gamble. Democracy is something you yourself cherish. That will be gone if the vote to remain wins on the 23rd of June. Also throughout this whole campaign you have asked quite rightly for assurances from those wanting to leave the EU. It isn't a one way street Joey i too could ask you for assurances on why we should remain within the EU.