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Originally Posted by jaxie

But they don't pay us any attention now. 70 laws we've objected to have been passed anyway.

And Cameron got little to nothing, definitely not what he asked for, just a few milk sops because they don't want to change the way things are, it's their vision.

Out of the EU we have every say over our own destiny.

That is your position, I respect that but don't agree with it.

In any organisation we will not always get what we want or like,of course we will be outvoted on many things but we will win many things as well.

I don't think you are fair to say Cameron got little to nothing,the guarantee of no further political ties for the UK is a substantial gain.
The change to migrant workers not being able to access benefits for 4 years,another good gain.

While it is true he asked for little, he got in my view, more than I expected even from what he asked for.
I applaud that and I see him as one Politician now that has the EUs ear and he could even negotiate more as time goes on.

In fact, after he stands down as PM,I would have him if he wanted it, in some EU role to do just that and I think he would have more than a fair chance of delivering more too.

AS a marketing Nation, it is our economy that will be the main part of determining our destiny,we have a good destiny in place now with how we are with EU membership.

We have no idea what will really happen to the economy out of the EU,in my opinion, and therefore I, speaking only for myself,can have no confidence of the UKs destiny if out, without support and substantiation of that support from the EU as to a trading deal and the rest of the World Nations opinions too.

Neither of which the leave campaign has.