[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=joeysteele;9063785]While I can agree with most of what you say there, it is I think unfair the criticism you make of the person you are getting at again.

NOTE: Though the distinctions are often extremely difficult to keep separate, I am referring in this response to OPINIONS and POSTS and NOT to members personally.

Kizzy is the one who 'criticised' and slurred 'Joe Public' in this post Joey, and because I am a member of 'Joe Public', I took offense at being so labelled, in such an overly simplistic and casually demeaning manner.

I am getting at no one. I am RESPONDING to posts which I do not agree with - ESPECIALLY posts such as this particular one, which ridiculously attempt to denigrate those members of the public who voted for Brexit - Not for the first time in posts by this poster either - and I am a member of the public who voted for Brexit.

"This was the problem in the USA election which must have turned off many voters there by the personal slurs on the other by each candidate.
Neither gained any moral high ground there."

The above is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT in this context Joey, because I have not cast any 'Personal Slurs' against anyone, but taken into consideration with your GROUNDLESS accusation above that I am 'getting at' this poster 'again', you are beginning to appear to be disingenuously and unfairly attempting to persuade the reader that I am 'victimising' someone, and this is unforgivable.

I am merely RESPONDING to a post which I do not agree with.

"Her views areas relevant as anyone elses and just because they are at odds with yours does not make them ill informed or erroneous."


In stating the above, you are TOTALLY wrong.

In MY personal opinion, based upon MY intellect, MY knowledge, and My intuition, 'Her views are both ill informed AND erroneous and THEREFORE they are most certainly NOT relevant to me.

HOW can they be?

Do you REALLY pay CREDENCE to views and statements which with EVERY FIBRE of your being you DEEM to be WRONG?

If I said that "in my opinion the Klu Klux Klan were all nice people who were just misunderstood" - Are you REALLY gong to try to tell me that you would say that my view is as relevant as some other member who declared them to be "sick evil, racist lunatics"?

No, I would hope, that based upon YOUR intellect, YOUR knowledge, and YOUR intuition, you would say that my view of the KKK is 'ill informed and totally erroneous'

"However how the EU gets in here is a little mystifying... "

The post is about Brexit and you are 'mystified as to How the Eu gets in here' Joey?

"...but Kirk, we are all Joe Public, not just you and those you know personally.

Also the other Joe Publics equally will have people they know well, are acquaintances or who they just know of such as you list as who voted leave, who also voted remain.

You haven't a monopoly on those groups, just as no one else has who is Joe public."

None of the above is relevant at all Joey, because I do not concern myself with anyone else outside of 'my group' because I do not know them or their political leanings, nor whether they voted Brexit or not, so I would not even consider trying to speak o their behalf - Why would I??

I am concerned only with rebutting a totally ludicrous statement which demeans me personally - and those members of 'Joe Public' who I DO KNOW who also voted Brexit, and I use them to support my rebuttal that not all 'Joe Public' are as clueless as the poster insinuates in her post.

"The people who voted remain, also know what they voting foe, Joe public and all the groups who did so that you list."


The above is a redundant statement Joey, because NOWHERE do I say that those voting Remain do not know what they are voting for.

"I do have to say, I asked many questions on here just as to what leaving meant and no leave voter told me anything concrete.
The only answer I got was they didn't want the EU making our laws."

Again, the above is totally irrelevant to the context here Joey of whether 'Joe Public' is clueless or not.

"Remain voters in my view voted for the status quo,knowing how all was and would not liekly change.
Leave voters probably voted for different reasons, some just for change, some for making our own laws, some immigration, some as to the single market and some for all of those things probably too.
Not all however.

So,I wanted to try to heed what others were saying opposite to me but I got nothing concrete at all,that could persuade me that the UK would do better out of the EU.
If I could have believed that, I would have thought about my vote more.
I listened to what you and most said,( when they were not personally insulting about it).
I was one who also realised remain was not going to win and in fact kept telling you that leave would get a result.

Anyway, all the people and groups you list that you know who voted to leave is fine but that is not the only story.
Those who voted remain probably the majority of them too have the same sets of people and professions they know, and know of as well who also voted as they did,remain too.
We are all Joe public however, not just you and those you know who think like you do.
Just as I am Joe public and those I know are not the only Joe public either."


I have nort disputed any of the above Joey, but, sorry, once again, NONE of it is relevant to my post or the post which my post was a response to.