[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No, but I do not care about any 'majority of people on both sides' only about myself when I am being erroneously labelled and demeaned by being 'tarred with that famous 'same brush' which some use to make sweeping and mocking generalisations about 'Joe Public' - which are both arrogantly presumptive and erroneous anyway.

Kirk, this isn't about you. I'm just going to repeat that for your benefit. This isn't about you. You are tarring yourself with the brush for an excuse to be outraged over something.

I said that a large number of people on both sides would have voted despite not knowing what they were actually voting for because they voted based on the headlines and soundbites. That's a true comment, most people don't understand that leaving the EU changes very little in terms of laws or Immigration yet those were the deciding factors for a lot of people who most likely didn't look into the actual issues of staying or leaving.

Expecting the public to make informed decisions based on research and impartiality is incredibly naive.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Kirk, this isn't about you. I'm just going to repeat that for your benefit. This isn't about you. You are tarring yourself with the brush for an excuse to be outraged over something.

I said that a large number of people on both sides would have voted despite not knowing what they were actually voting for because they voted based on the headlines and soundbites. That's a true comment, most people don't understand that leaving the EU changes very little in terms of laws or Immigration yet those were the deciding factors for a lot of people who most likely didn't look into the actual issues of staying or leaving.

Expecting the public to make informed decisions based on research and impartiality is incredibly naive.

Is your first paragraph referring to Kizzy's post or your later one?

In the first instance, I'm aftaid that it WAS about me. I am a member of Joe Public.

In the second instance, it is ALSO about me, because you elected to QUOTE my post and COMMENT upon it.

Your claim that I am tarring myself with the same brush is totally ludicrous Dezzy.

The demeaning post which I rightfully objected to did not state; "Joe Public but excluding Kirk".

I need NO excuse to be outraged by some of the posts on here which repeatedly demean Brexit voters as being stupid, clueless, ill informed or worse.

The text which I have emboldened is redundant if you are addressing that to me Dezzy, because I have never stated ANYWHERE any opinion which contradicts what you say in it, and that is because I AGREE with you. Some people on BOTH sides DID vote after being persuaded by sound bites and headlines.

However, SOME people is a far cry from all 'Joe Public' - which IS what I responded to.

I will take exception to your claims below however:

"most people don't understand that leaving the EU changes very little in terms of laws or Immigration yet those were the deciding factors for a lot of people who most likely didn't look into the actual issues of staying or leaving."

Simply because NO ONE KNOWS just WHAT existing actualities will or will not be affected or changed by Brexit. We have NOT even Brexited proper yet, and the WHATEVER plans the Government is working on is not being revealed to anyone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Is your first paragraph referring to Kizzy's post or your later one?

In the first instance, I'm aftaid that it WAS about me. I am a member of Joe Public.

In the second instance, it is ALSO about me, because you elected to QUOTE my post and COMMENT upon it.

Your claim that I am tarring myself with the same brush is totally ludicrous Dezzy.

The demeaning post which I rightfully objected to did not state; "Joe Public but excluding Kirk".

I need NO excuse to be outraged by some of the posts on here which repeatedly demean Brexit voters as being stupid, clueless, ill informed or worse.

The text which I have emboldened is redundant if you are addressing that to me Dezzy, because I have never stated ANYWHERE any opinion which contradicts what you say in it, and that is because I AGREE with you. Some people on BOTH sides DID vote after being persuaded by sound bites and headlines.

However, SOME people is a far cry from all 'Joe Public' - which IS what I responded to.

I will take exception to your claims below however:

"most people don't understand that leaving the EU changes very little in terms of laws or Immigration yet those were the deciding factors for a lot of people who most likely didn't look into the actual issues of staying or leaving."

Simply because NO ONE KNOWS just WHAT existing actualities will or will not be affected or changed by Brexit. We have NOT even Brexited proper yet, and the WHATEVER plans the Government is working on is not being revealed to anyone.

You replied to my posts, none of which referred to or acknowledged you in any way. Like I said before, what I said has nothing to do with you and if you decide to tar yourself with that brush just so you can get mad about it then that's on you.

In terms of Laws or Immigration, nothing is likely to change, especially if we wish to strike a deal to enter the single market. The only affect that the Brexit has had so far is to decrease the value of the pound which is worrying in itself considering the announcement alone did that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You replied to my posts, none of which referred to or acknowledged you in any way. Like I said before, what I said has nothing to do with you and if you decide to tar yourself with that brush just so you can get mad about it then that's on you.

WHAT??? YOU QUOTED ME FIRST AND COMMENTED - HERE IT IS:


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I am a member of 'Joe Public'and so are DOZENS of my friends and associates as are dozens more of people who I could best term 'acquaintances', and we ALL voted for Brexit.

Among these people are four Company Directors, two Doctors, two Solicitors, several Nurses, three Policemen, several Teachers, and several SME business owners, as well as dozens of 'Blue Collar Workers, several unemployed and quite a few 'Ducker And Divers'.

The one other thing which we all have in common - apart from our Brexit vote - is that ALL of us understand the real issues concerning the EU and our membership of it.

So while you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, you will forgive me if I elect not to pay heed to it, and this is based upon the fact - that in my opinion, which I am as EQUALLY entitled to - it is ALL YOUR posts which are so ill informed and erroneous as to the true facts concerning current affairs, including politics and the EU, that they attest to YOU having the woeful LACK of any REAL understanding of the issues often debated on here, NOT 'Joe Public'."

And none of this has any effect on the majority of people on both sides who likely voted what they voted for based on soundbites and sensationalism rather than solid facts.
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

WHAT??? YOU QUOTED ME FIRST AND COMMENTED - HERE IT IS:


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I am a member of 'Joe Public'and so are DOZENS of my friends and associates as are dozens more of people who I could best term 'acquaintances', and we ALL voted for Brexit.

Among these people are four Company Directors, two Doctors, two Solicitors, several Nurses, three Policemen, several Teachers, and several SME business owners, as well as dozens of 'Blue Collar Workers, several unemployed and quite a few 'Ducker And Divers'.

The one other thing which we all have in common - apart from our Brexit vote - is that ALL of us understand the real issues concerning the EU and our membership of it.

So while you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, you will forgive me if I elect not to pay heed to it, and this is based upon the fact - that in my opinion, which I am as EQUALLY entitled to - it is ALL YOUR posts which are so ill informed and erroneous as to the true facts concerning current affairs, including politics and the EU, that they attest to YOU having the woeful LACK of any REAL understanding of the issues often debated on here, NOT 'Joe Public'."

And none of this has any effect on the majority of people on both sides who likely voted what they voted for based on soundbites and sensationalism rather than solid facts.
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Just because you didn't quote my post doesn't mean that post wasn't aimed at me for saying that a lot of the public are uninformed and don't pay attention to the actual issues.

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just because you didn't quote my post doesn't mean that post wasn't aimed at me for saying that a lot of the public are uninformed and don't pay attention to the actual issues.

Is this Dezzy evasive speak for: "Yes I was WRONG Kirk, I DID quote you first and commented, so you are 100% CORRECT"?

And can you PLEASE interpret what it is you are EXACTLY saying below Dezzy because I honestly do not know, so I cannot respond.

"Just because you didn't quote my post doesn't mean that post wasn't aimed at me for saying that a lot of the public are uninformed and don't pay attention to the actual issues."

WHICH post of yours out of the hundreds which I have NOT quoted are you referring to?

Why would I aim any post at you WITHOUT quoting - THAT is not my style.

All that I am TRYING to do on here - as ALWAYS - is debate HONESTLY and FAIRLY and CIVILLY without being drawn into personal arguments.

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Is this Dezzy evasive speak for: "Yes I was WRONG Kirk, I DID quote you first and commented, so you are 100% CORRECT"?

And can you PLEASE interpret what it is you are EXACTLY saying below Dezzy because I honestly do not know, so I cannot respond.

"Just because you didn't quote my post doesn't mean that post wasn't aimed at me for saying that a lot of the public are uninformed and don't pay attention to the actual issues."

WHICH post of yours out of the hundreds which I have NOT quoted are you referring to?

Why would I aim any post at you WITHOUT quoting - THAT is not my style.

All that I am TRYING to do on here - as ALWAYS - is debate HONESTLY and FAIRLY and CIVILLY without being drawn into personal arguments.

Evasive? not even slightly. Your post that I quoted was obviously referring to the point I made about the uninformed masses then you tried to make out that I called you uninformed even though I didn't because you were looking for a reason to be offended.