[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

...not necessarily. To a lot of people this is just light-hearted Saturday/Sunday night entertainment, which is the main driving point of the show [and any TV show for that matter] before singing/performing/music even comes into it.

And also - if they will be the ones who are eventually buying the music the winner releases, how come Leon failed? And Joe [although I wouldn't call him a failure just yet, just failing...slightly]? Even Steve? What happened there then? Why did they chose them as winners if they weren't going to suppor them after the show?

Voters and buyers are two very different sets of people - there are crossovers but ultimately not all voters will be buyers, especially when you have to factor in people that download illegally, people that treat the show as light-entertainment, people that don't like the music the winner releases [or mainstream music for that matter], people that forget about the previous winners due to their albums being delayed until the October of the next year, etc etc. Trust me - they don't always know what they're doing.

The examples that you gave were in my opinion, the best of a bad lot most likely. This is a TV Show manufacturing a singer chances are 9/10 of them will fail. They don't make their own music and I would doubt after their year is up get much attention from the record company tbh.

I would hazard a guess here and say that "real" music fans who don't watch X-Factor would never even consider buying an X-Factor winners album anyway.

Then what is it then?

where to start! first and foremost I don't like her voice, she's murdered pretty much every song she's sung so far (the ones she's remembered the words to anyway!)
I dont think she should have gotten through to the live shows over much more talented girls (who remembered the words to their songs)
Her dramatics piss me right off, sitting on the floor and saying "sod it" for example.
And she just generally irritates me, the sound of her voice (speaking) grates on me nearly as much as her singing voice.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

The examples that you gave were in my opinion, the best of a bad lot most likely. This is a TV Show manufacturing a singer chances are 9/10 of them will fail.

Don't agree with that. Rhydian >>>>>> Leon especially

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

They don't make their own music and I would doubt after their year is up get much attention from the record company tbh.

Don't agree with this either. These are Syco's current artists:

# Westlife (2002–present)
# Il Divo (2004–present)
# Shayne Ward (2005–present)
# Leona Lewis (2006–present)
# Alexandra Burke (2008–present)
# Andrew Johnston (2008–present)
# Susan Boyle (2009–present)
# Joe McElderry (2009–present)
# Olly Murs (2010–present)
# Labrinth (2010–present)[6]
# Jackie Evancho (2010-present)

Seven of those are artists from TV talent shows. Their previous artists are exactly the same, except there's eight:

* Gareth Gates (2002–2006, dropped/left)[8]
* Steve Brookstein (2004–2005, dropped)
* Bianca Ryan (2006–2008, dropped/left)
* Angelis (2006–2007, dropped/disbanded)
* Leon Jackson (2007–2009, dropped)
* Same Difference (2007–2009, dropped)[9]
* George Sampson (2008–2009, dropped)[10]
* Rhydian (2007–2010, left)[11]
* Paul Potts (2007–2010, dropped/left)[12]
* Escala (2008–2010, dropped)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syco

All the attention will be on them. And the fact that they don't make their own music is irrelevant, considering 90% of mainstream artists nowadays don't make their own music. It's the world we live in - that's the way the market works.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

where to start! first and foremost I don't like her voice, she's murdered pretty much every song she's sung so far (the ones she's remembered the words to anyway!)
I dont think she should have gotten through to the live shows over much more talented girls (who remembered the words to their songs)
Her dramatics piss me right off, sitting on the floor and saying "sod it" for example.
And she just generally irritates me, the sound of her voice (speaking) grates on me nearly as much as her singing voice.

Regarding her voice - fair enough.

Regarding the 'other talented girls' - I disagree, as although they had good vocal talent, they had no stage presence or personality and Katie's image is/was far superior to theirs. I genuinely think Cheryl picked the right three initially, they were easily the most diverse and interesting of the eight - that's something that not only makes a good category, but it makes a good show as well - and of course entertainment is the main factor in creating this show.

Regarding the 'sod it' - like I said, how do you think she feels after being subjected to weeks and weeks of unnecessary abuse and bile being spouted at her in the press and online? She must feel hated. And for someone that's done nothing wrong, except star in a television show [where Cheryl decided to put her through, not herself] and be ambitious - that's got to be hard to deal with. People act like she's murdered someone. It's no surprise that one day she would get fed up with it and so she just happened to think aloud 'sod it'. I think she expected she would be going anyway [like we all did, including myself] - and so there was, essentially, no 'point'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Don't agree with that. Rhydian >>>>>> Leon especially



Don't agree with this either. These are Syco's current artists:

# Westlife (2002–present)
# Il Divo (2004–present)
# Shayne Ward (2005–present)
# Leona Lewis (2006–present)
# Alexandra Burke (2008–present)
# Andrew Johnston (2008–present)
# Susan Boyle (2009–present)
# Joe McElderry (2009–present)
# Olly Murs (2010–present)
# Labrinth (2010–present)[6]
# Jackie Evancho (2010-present)

Seven of those are artists from TV talent shows. Their previous artists are exactly the same, except there's eight:

* Gareth Gates (2002–2006, dropped/left)[8]
* Steve Brookstein (2004–2005, dropped)
* Bianca Ryan (2006–2008, dropped/left)
* Angelis (2006–2007, dropped/disbanded)
* Leon Jackson (2007–2009, dropped)
* Same Difference (2007–2009, dropped)[9]
* George Sampson (2008–2009, dropped)[10]
* Rhydian (2007–2010, left)[11]
* Paul Potts (2007–2010, dropped/left)[12]
* Escala (2008–2010, dropped)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syco

All the attention will be on them. And the fact that they don't make their own music is irrelevant, considering 90% of mainstream artists nowadays don't make their own music. It's the world we live in - that's the way the market works.



Regarding her voice - fair enough.

Regarding the 'other talented girls' - I disagree, as although they had good vocal talent, they had no stage presence or personality and Katie's image is/was far superior to theirs. I genuinely think Cheryl picked the right three initially, they were easily the most diverse and interesting of the eight - that's something that not only makes a good category, but it makes a good show as well - and of course entertainment is the main factor in creating this show.

Regarding the 'sod it' - like I said, how do you think she feels after being subjected to weeks and weeks of unnecessary abuse and bile being spouted at her in the press and online? She must feel hated. And for someone that's done nothing wrong, except star in a television show [where Cheryl decided to put her through, not herself] and be ambitious - that's got to be hard to deal with. People act like she's murdered someone. It's no surprise that one day she would get fed up with it and so she just happened to think aloud 'sod it'. I think she expected she would be going anyway [like we all did, including myself] - and so there was, essentially, no 'point'.

They are my reasons for disliking her, why are you so sure that's her reason for saying sod it? Do you not think it's more likely that it was because...........she........I dunno........forgot the words to the song.............again?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

They are my reasons for disliking her, why are you so sure that's her reason for saying sod it? Do you not think it's more likely that it was because...........she........I dunno........forgot the words to the song.............again?

No - or else she would've just given up completely or said so, like she did last time, wouldn't she?

I think the fact that she brokedown in tears and distress both last week and this week proves that she is on the edge of being, if not emotionally unstable. And why would that be?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No - or else she would've just given up completely or said so, like she did last time, wouldn't she?

I think the fact that she brokedown in tears and distress both last week and this week proves that she is on the edge of being, if not emotionally unstable. And why would that be?

Not on a live show no I dont think so.

Cos she knows she's not good enough and the public want her out maybe? She'd want to toughen up a bit if she cant handle a nit of bad press, she wouldn't last two minutes in the spot light if that's the case

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Not on a live show no I dont think so.

Cos she knows she's not good enough and the public want her out maybe?

...or maybe that she's been on the receiving end of endless, disgusting comments and press, like I said?

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

She'd want to toughen up a bit if she cant handle a nit of bad press, she wouldn't last two minutes in the spot light if that's the case

A 'bit' of bad press? Really? There's been far more than just a 'bit' of bad press...

And to be fair all of these acts are just starting out in the spotlight, one minute they were nobodies and the next minute they've been thrown into the public eye. It's a very fast moving process and something that I'm sure everyone can imagine, takes a lot of getting used to. I'm sure once she's got used to the industry she'd adjust to the negative press she's bound to receive - but after five weeks in a TV talent show, I think you're asking for a bit much, to be quite honest.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

...or maybe that she's been on the receiving end of endless, disgusting comments and press, like I said?



A 'bit' of bad press? Really? There's been far more than just a 'bit' of bad press...

And to be fair all of these acts are just starting out in the spotlight, one minute they were nobodies and the next minute they've been thrown into the public eye. It's a very fast moving process and something that I'm sure everyone can imagine, takes a lot of getting used to. I'm sure once she's got used to the industry she'd adjust to the negative press she's bound to receive - but after five weeks in a TV talent show, I think you're asking for a bit much, to be quite honest.

what disgusting comments exactly? all I've seen is articles about her being melo dramatic which she seems to back up every week on the show and that she doesn't deserve to be on the show after messing up her audition which I fully agree with.

Danyl last year was subjected to worse press imo and he never fell apart like she did