[LukeB]

As a Helen fan I feel so disappointed with her by the way she has been acting towards Jale. i do feel its wrong . i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad. i do feel Jale is acting Victim still though as there is no way she is that type of person who lets anyone treat her like rubbish.Jale is 33 and should know everyone should stand up themselfs. yes she is up for eviction every week but that didn't stop Danielle arguing with Helen and it didn't stop Luisa on her cbb series. if only we can send Helen messages because i'm gutted she lost her chance of winning big brother and i'm gutted she hasn't changed her reputation as she wanted, i think it made it worst for her. She needs to step back otherwise i would like her pass revoked and given to someone nicer in the house who is Winston even though he in the final anyway

[rubymoo]

It's hard for Jale to stand up for herself, as she will be taking on not just Helen, but Pauline, Toya, Steven and Ash. Jale needs to bide her time, things will right:-)

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's hard for Jale to stand up for herself, as she will be taking on not just Helen, but Pauline, Toya, Steven and Ash. Jale needs to bide her time, things will right:-)

it's making her look weak and the more weak she looks the more they go on and on that makes me feel she playing victim

[Tarryn]

Jale is NOT playing the victim.
Everything she does or everything she say's get's jumped on.
Helen was so vile to her last night. I thought Jale acted in a very classy way.
Why should she stoop down to their level ?.
Sometimes it's better to say nothing.
Helen is a nasty piece of work.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

it's making her look weak and the more weak she looks the more they go on and on that makes me feel she playing victim

"Playing the Victim"

What does that mean?

To me that means that someone is playing up to the cameras and trying to make a situation look worse than it really is. To "Play the Victim" a person needs to seek attention. To seek reassurance where none is needed.

Has Jale tried to make the situation look worse? Has seen looked for reassurance where none was needed?

For the most part Jale has kept to herself. She hasn't made much of a display. You don't see her in the diary room looking for sympathy. For the most part she keeps to herself and contains her emotions. The biggest out break we saw was when she was trying to calm herself.

To "Play the Victim" you have to paint yourself into a corner where you can react to what others do to you. In yesterdays show Jale was sitting, quietly eating, and chatting. Helen's attack came from nowhere.

Jale's reaction was more of a "where the ***** did that come from"? Which is what I'd imagine most viewers thought as well.


I've said this a few times already, in other threads, Helens and Jales postions in the house couldn't be more different.

Helen is queen bee, lots of support, a free pass and obviously likes picking on people. She has done it to Christopher, Danielle and Jale.

While Jale is fairly isolated, no real connection, constant threat of being evicted and has rarely said anything bad about anyone.

We are about 10 days in and Helen has gone from name calling in private, to name calling in public. Yet there has been no confrontation to explain the escalation.

Helen and Pauline are more typical of "Playing", as she demands constant attention and seems to need someone to put down.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

"Playing the Victim"

What does that mean?

To me that means that someone is playing up to the cameras and trying to make a situation look worse than it really is. To "Play the Victim" a person needs to seek attention. To seek reassurance where none is needed.

Has Jale tried to make the situation look worse? Has seen looked for reassurance where none was needed?

For the most part Jale has kept to herself. She hasn't made much of a display. You don't see her in the diary room looking for sympathy. For the most part she keeps to herself and contains her emotions. The biggest out break we saw was when she was trying to calm herself.

To "Play the Victim" you have to paint yourself into a corner where you can react to what others do to you. In yesterdays show Jale was sitting, quietly eating, and chatting. Helen's attack came from nowhere.

Jale's reaction was more of a "where the ***** did that come from"? Which is what I'd imagine most viewers thought as well.


I've said this a few times already, in other threads, Helens and Jales postions in the house couldn't be more different.

Helen is queen bee, lots of support, a free pass and obviously likes picking on people. She has done it to Christopher, Danielle and Jale.

While Jale is fairly isolated, no real connection, constant threat of being evicted and has rarely said anything bad about anyone.

We are about 10 days in and Helen has gone from name calling in private, to name calling in public. Yet there has been no confrontation to explain the escalation.

Helen and Pauline are more typical of "Playing", as she demands constant attention and seems to need someone to put down.

if you look at her VT she comes across as strong and can stand up for herself, she was evicted 6 times for a reason! emma even described jale as nightmare tenant. at the end of the day 1 launch describing the day 2 housemates. now she acting all different. as i said was evicted 6 times for a reason and was described as a nightmare tenant

[Kizzy]

This meek jale is not what we were expecting, but I don't blame her helen and some others can be pretty ferocious .. I think she's being canny biding her time, she heard the cheers for herself and the boos for pauline.
I think the relationship between her and helen will improve once pauline has gone.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This meek jale is not what we were expecting, but I don't blame her helen and some others can be pretty ferocious .. I think she's being canny biding her time, she heard the cheers for herself and the boos for pauline.
I think the relationship between her and helen will improve once pauline has gone.

Jale needs to man up and get Helen alone and sort things out!

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

if you look at her VT she comes across as strong and can stand up for herself, she was evicted 6 times for a reason! emma even described jale as nightmare tenant. at the end of the day 1 launch describing the day 2 housemates. now she acting all different. as i said was evicted 6 times for a reason and was described as a nightmare tenant

I'm sorry, but what has getting evicted got to do with "playing the victim" on TV?

If someone can be a little crazy, or irresponsible, if "real" life, that is no indication as to how they'd react in a pressurised environment when being set on by others.

And we have no real idea as to why she was evicted in the past. She could have been evicted 6 times for having loud parties and destroying the place. It could have happened when she was in her early 20's and still mad in the head. Who knows?

Everyone lies and bigs themselves up in their VTs. You don't get into BB by saying that you like washing dishes and have the occasional cuppa.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

Jale needs to man up and get Helen alone and sort things out!

Or Helen needs to "man up" and try using that nasty tongue on someone that hasn't been isolated...but thats not going to happen is it...bullies only pick on the vulnerable...

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

I'm sorry, but what has getting evicted got to do with "playing the victim" on TV?

If someone can be a little crazy, or irresponsible, if "real" life, that is no indication as to how they'd react in a pressurised environment when being set on by others.

And we have no real idea as to why she was evicted in the past. She could have been evicted 6 times for having loud parties and destroying the place. It could have happened when she was in her early 20's and still mad in the head. Who knows?

Everyone lies and bigs themselves up in their VTs. You don't get into BB by saying that you like washing dishes and have the occasional cuppa.

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying

Why should she ?.
Let the bullies bury themselves even deeper.
They are showing themselves up.
If Jale said something they would just shout over her.
Look what Pauline was like ?.
I get that you don't like Jale & I'm not a big fan either but I just can't stand it when others try to make another person feel like trash.
Just accept people deal with situations in a different way.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying

So as a confessed "Helen fan" you are more annoyed at Jale for not kicking off, then you are at Helen for being a bully?

That Jale is acting like a school girl for keeping cool, while Helen is making it all school yard bully tactics?

Surely the more mature person is the one that acts like an adult, while the child is the one that resorts to name calling and showing off?

Wouldn't the more mature person understand that there is a time and place? That kicking off can sometimes make things worse? While the more childish has no self awareness and therefore has no problem being nasty and cruel for no reason?

You argument makes no sense. You admit that there is bullying going on, that you are a Helen fan and that Helen is the cause, but you are annoyed at Jale for being the more mature individual.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

didn't say being evicted 6 times makes her victim it makes it look strange how she acting, she is 33! and acting like a school girl letting bullies bully her. why do you think people who got bullied don't get bullied anymore? because they stand up for themselfs. she needs to man up and tell toya,helen and pauline what she thinks and have a word with them on their own! not sitting on their own feeling sorry themselfs. even danielle asked jale why isn't she saying something. standing up to bullies doesn't mean your a nasty person and jale obvious aint but standing up for yourself means you strong person who doesn;t take rubbish! even younger people stand up for themselfs. Jale needs to say something because its getting annoying

It really does sound to me like you are looking for reasons to dislike Jale. Just something to justify why Helen is being so offensive.

That if Jale was to sink to Helen's level, then it would be 50/50, rather than just Helen making a show of herself while Jale acts like the adult.

[jet]

Superb posts Kefln!

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

It really does sound to me like you are looking for reasons to dislike Jale. Just something to justify why Helen is being so offensive.

That if Jale was to sink to Helen's level, then it would be 50/50, rather than just Helen making a show of herself while Jale acts like the adult.

no i'm not looking for reasons to dislike jale, i go with my instinct. and i don't justify helen's behaviour hence why this topic is called Disappointed we all have opinions on this but to me and others because there is a poll about this, jale needs to say something, there is a difference between horrible arguments and standing up for yourself. some adults do speak their mind when someone is being a dhead to them doesn't mean its immature. my point is, Jale to me is coming across 'playing victim' maybe she didn't plan this when she went it but she saw Pauline had a problem with her so took advantage of it and the same with helen. maybe if jale man up and have a friendly word with them then my opinion might change.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

Jale needs to man up and get Helen alone and sort things out!

If she stood up to her as danielle did she MIGHT back off, but is it worth the hassle?
I think she's handling it pretty well really.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If she stood up to her as danielle did she MIGHT back off, but is it worth the hassle?
I think she's handling it pretty well really.

yes it is worth the hassle. come on rachel rice didn't sit there and say nothing when alexandra was being vile to everyone.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

no i'm not looking for reasons to dislike jale, i go with my instinct. and i don't justify helen's behaviour hence why this topic is called Disappointed we all have opinions on this but to me and others because there is a poll about this, jale needs to say something, there is a difference between horrible arguments and standing up for yourself. some adults do speak their mind when someone is being a dhead to them doesn't mean its immature. my point is, Jale to me is coming across 'playing victim' maybe she didn't plan this when she went it but she saw Pauline had a problem with her so took advantage of it and the same with helen. maybe if jale man up and have a friendly word with them then my opinion might change.

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

As a Helen fan I feel so disappointed with her by the way she has been acting towards Jale. i do feel its wrong . i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad.

First up, you called this thread "disappointed", because you are disappointed that Jale is making Helen look bad.

Your entire point is that Jale isn't kicking off and this makes her a bad person. But Jale would not be in this position if Helen hadn't put her there.

If Helen wasn't walking around the house calling Jale a Slug, then there would be no issue. If Jale was getting digs in, then it would just be two people arguing. But its not. Its a simple case of one person attacking another, for no reason.

So if you are disappointed in Helen, talk about Helen. However if you are really just looking for reasons to deflect Helen's behavior onto Jale...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Jale is NOT playing the victim.
Everything she does or everything she say's get's jumped on.
Helen was so vile to her last night. I thought Jale acted in a very classy way.
Why should she stoop down to their level ?.
Sometimes it's better to say nothing.
Helen is a nasty piece of work.

I was impressed too with the way Jale handled the situation. Well done to her.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

First up, you called this thread "disappointed", because you are disappointed that Jale is making Helen look bad.

Your entire point is that Jale isn't kicking off and this makes her a bad person. But Jale would not be in this position if Helen hadn't put her there.

If Helen wasn't walking around the house calling Jale a Slug, then there would be no issue. If Jale was getting digs in, then it would just be two people arguing. But its not. Its a simple case of one person attacking another, for no reason.

So if you are disappointed in Helen, talk about Helen. However if you are really just looking for reasons to deflect Helen's behavior onto Jale...

your blowing this out of context. this thread is about how disappointed in how Helen is behaving meaning i don't like what she is doing to jale even though I'm no fan. I had to mention the victim business because there are my views and i did a poll about it yesterday and it would look like i was a hypocrite.slug wasn't nice thats what got me to do this thread but big brother can edit things so we don't know the full facts. Helen does need to stop drinking as she said she is a bitch, but that doesn't define her behaviour. what i'm saying is helen needs to stop and jale needs to go up to helen,pauline and toya and speak how she feels like helen and danielle did and see what happens in a nice chat(that could lead to a argument)

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I was impressed too with the way Jale handled the situation. Well done to her.

the danielle and helen talk after the argument is also the way to deal with it

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

First up, you called this thread "disappointed", because you are disappointed that Jale is making Helen look bad.

Your entire point is that Jale isn't kicking off and this makes her a bad person. But Jale would not be in this position if Helen hadn't put her there.

If Helen wasn't walking around the house calling Jale a Slug, then there would be no issue. If Jale was getting digs in, then it would just be two people arguing. But its not. Its a simple case of one person attacking another, for no reason.

So if you are disappointed in Helen, talk about Helen. However if you are really just looking for reasons to deflect Helen's behavior onto Jale...

yes i did say it's making helen look bad but i didn't mean the jale business, i mean the way she been towards, danielle,christopher and jale because its annoying when your favourite to win as ruined their chances because there not going to win now because of their horrible behaviour

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

if you look at her VT she comes across as strong and can stand up for herself, she was evicted 6 times for a reason! emma even described jale as nightmare tenant. at the end of the day 1 launch describing the day 2 housemates. now she acting all different. as i said was evicted 6 times for a reason and was described as a nightmare tenant

So being a 'nightmare' tenant somehow makes it ok to belittle and target her? being evicted several times could be for any number of reasons,it doesn't necessarily mean she is confrontational.How much of that VT is bravado anyway,like most of them

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

yes it is worth the hassle. come on rachel rice didn't sit there and say nothing when alexandra was being vile to everyone.

It's different when it's yourself in the firing line isn't it?