[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I believe Sam worked for his pension,the world does not owe anyone a living,if you want something get out there and work for it as people did in Sams day,I am sure you have it much easier now tbh.

yes it's so much easier now! Much easier to get on the housing market before the age of 25, much easier to graduate and go into full time employment immediately, much easier to acquire a stable, secure job with employment rights, much easier to be supported if you're struggling to make ends meet, the list goes on.

It's oh so very easy to throw clichéd remarks like 'get out there and earn a living' around but not everyone is afforded an equal opportunity to do so.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Or maybe youngsters need to respect elders views, cuts both ways or does the world exist on the present only and discounts the pasts history. let me remind you that the present is built on the past and what we did gave you a platform to live on.

Also don't have time for people defining themselves by their age; "Respect your elders" is a phrase that I have absolutely no time for at all.

I will respect those who demonstrate that they are individuals deserving of my respect... whether they are my age, 10 years younger or 40 years older.

Age is entirely arbitrary. I have met some elderly people with some amazing stories, vast experience of the world, kind and generous natures and brilliant humour. I have HUGE respect for them. I have also met plenty of elderly individuals who have never left their home town, harbour endless prejudices and toxic opinions, which they spout aggressively at any opportunity, along with just being aggressive and unpleasant in general.

Do I respect those people, just because they happen to have been doing these repulsive things for "quite a long time"? Err... no. In fact, I judge them more harshly than I do a 20 year old with the same opinions, because they have had a lifetime to gain wisdom and perspective, but have failed to do so.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also don't have time for people defining themselves by their age; "Respect your elders" is a phrase that I have absolutely no time for at all.

I will respect those who demonstrate that they are individuals deserving of my respect... whether they are my age, 10 years younger or 40 years older.

Age is entirely arbitrary. I have met some elderly people with some amazing stories, vast experience of the world, kind and generous natures and brilliant humour. I have HUGE respect for them. I have also met plenty of elderly individuals who have never left their home town, harbour endless prejudices and toxic opinions, which they spout aggressively at any opportunity, along with just being aggressive and unpleasant in general.

Do I respect those people, just because they happen to have been doing these repulsive things for "quite a long time"? Err... no. In fact, I judge them more harshly than I do a 20 year old with the same opinions, because they have had a lifetime to gain wisdom and perspective, but have failed to do so.

[Margarine.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

yes it's so much easier now! Much easier to get on the housing market before the age of 25, much easier to graduate and go into full time employment immediately, much easier to acquire a stable, secure job with employment rights, much easier to be supported if you're struggling to make ends meet, the list goes on.

It's oh so very easy to throw clichéd remarks like 'get out there and earn a living' around but not everyone is afforded an equal opportunity to do so.

I'm training to be a paramedic and by the time I retire, at an age that God only knows, I will probably have a piss poor pension

But obviously, I can't complain because life is so much easier for me than it would have been 30 years ago

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

So only straight people put people in catergories? What a load of utter rubbish

"But I equally can't stand it when people define themselves by their own sexuality (or gender, or race, or country of origin). This should NOT be the over-riding component of who you are as a free-thinking human being, and it seems to be for far too many."

"But let me also add, I also have very little time for individuals who happen to be homosexual whining that they are the only ones (along with ethnic minorities, apparently) who can face discrimination or hardship. Heterophobia exists. It is far less serious than homophobia. This does not mean it can't exist. It's reactionary and emotionally driven nonsense to suggest that this is the case."


Try actually reading the post before you quote it?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We haven't abused anything and you know that, it's not our fault that you are incapable of accepting blame for your own actions.

If standing up for what I believe and defending my principles is wrong, then shoot me but all of my defences where in response to vitriolic rhetoric that went un noticed. I will not be painted into a corner as a homophobe just as much as you wont be regarded as a bad person. My punishment was uncalled for in the face of the barrage of hidden digs \I was getting. \the difference here \Dezzy is I am old school and cant fight dirty, \I say whats on my mind. No I am going off line now and wont be c]back till the series starts. hopefully it will be a pleasant one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was brought up there, and in a different generation to you, bit much to attempt to dismiss his experiences or view because you're Irish and don't feel the same.

He wasn't brought up in the Republic of Ireland actually

[Jamie89]

Toy Soldier

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also don't have time for people defining themselves by their age; "Respect your elders" is a phrase that I have absolutely no time for at all.

I will respect those who demonstrate that they are individuals deserving of my respect... whether they are my age, 10 years younger or 40 years older.

Age is entirely arbitrary. I have met some elderly people with some amazing stories, vast experience of the world, kind and generous natures and brilliant humour. I have HUGE respect for them. I have also met plenty of elderly individuals who have never left their home town, harbour endless prejudices and toxic opinions, which they spout aggressively at any opportunity, along with just being aggressive and unpleasant in general.

Do I respect those people, just because they happen to have been doing these repulsive things for "quite a long time"? Err... no. In fact, I judge them more harshly than I do a 20 year old with the same opinions, because they have had a lifetime to gain wisdom and perspective, but have failed to do so.

I'm not going to respect a person who has outdated views whether they are old or not

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Margarine.

I'm training to be a paramedic and by the time I retire, at an age that God only knows, I will probably have a piss poor pension

But obviously, I can't complain because life is so much easier for me than it would have been 30 years ago

You have iPad's and Netflix and the internet and Candy Crush and weren't caned at school, your life is so easy work for your ****ing living you scrounger!!!!!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

yes it's so much easier now! Much easier to get on the housing market before the age of 25, much easier to graduate and go into full time employment immediately, much easier to acquire a stable, secure job with employment rights, much easier to be supported if you're struggling to make ends meet, the list goes on.

It's oh so very easy to throw clichéd remarks like 'get out there and earn a living' around but not everyone is afforded an equal opportunity to do so.

Does your mother wash your clothes in a wash house in a dolly tub,do you have to go outside to the toilet,do you have coats on the bed to keep you warm,do you bath in a tin bath by the fireside,do you have limited food stuffs? answer ,NO,(no offence meant by those things Sam,lol) You have far more today than you've ever had, nothing is impossible if you really want it. but you have to help yourself a little sometimes,yes it might be a struggle but perseverance will get you far.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

These are statements, a lot of what he posted on the Ireland issue are unqualified statements.

It was just one contributory factor into his own personal account, it was honest, frank and quite refreshing to hear in all honesty.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also don't have time for people defining themselves by their age; "Respect your elders" is a phrase that I have absolutely no time for at all.

I will respect those who demonstrate that they are individuals deserving of my respect... whether they are my age, 10 years younger or 40 years older.

Age is entirely arbitrary. I have met some elderly people with some amazing stories, vast experience of the world, kind and generous natures and brilliant humour. I have HUGE respect for them. I have also met plenty of elderly individuals who have never left their home town, harbour endless prejudices and toxic opinions, which they spout aggressively at any opportunity, along with just being aggressive and unpleasant in general.

Do I respect those people, just because they happen to have been doing these repulsive things for "quite a long time"? Err... no. In fact, I judge them more harshly than I do a 20 year old with the same opinions, because they have had a lifetime to gain wisdom and perspective, but have failed to do so.

....hmmm, I don't really agree with that bit because it's basically intolerance against intolerance and that's never the way to change views or have anything move forward...it's just showing the same thing...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

I'm not going to respect a person who has outdated views whether they are old or not

..but then, the old teach the young and the young teach the old, that's the only way with intolerances so lack of respect (from either person..).. won't really help there either...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I believe Sam worked for his pension,the world does not owe anyone a living,if you want something get out there and work for it as people did in Sams day,I am sure you have it much easier now tbh.

It's pretty widely accepted that the "boomer generation" and slightly beyond had more opportunity and an "easier ride" in general than at any time in history previously, or than we probably ever will again...

Easier access to home ownership, better employment rights, easier access to (meaningful) qualifications and employment... This isn't hypothesis, it's just history . Now, it's hardly those people's fault that they were able to take advantage of those opportunities and I'm not really on board with "generational jealousy" - but it's very flippant not to appreciate that there are very real barriers for young adults today.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

yes it's so much easier now! Much easier to get on the housing market before the age of 25, much easier to graduate and go into full time employment immediately, much easier to acquire a stable, secure job with employment rights, much easier to be supported if you're struggling to make ends meet, the list goes on.

It's oh so very easy to throw clichéd remarks like 'get out there and earn a living' around but not everyone is afforded an equal opportunity to do so.

Not all young people work, they live off the state and think its their right to be lazy and slobs ,something Sam and his generation would never have done, its called self respect

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You have iPad's and Netflix and the internet and Candy Crush and weren't caned at school, your life is so easy work for your ****ing living you scrounger!!!!!!

Damn right and I'll bet margarine will make a great paramedic he/she is at least doing something worthwhile, life is what we make it,you get out of it what you put in.

[arista]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Or maybe youngsters need to respect elders views, cuts both ways or does the world exist on the present only and discounts the pasts history. let me remind you that the present is built on the past and what we did gave you a platform to live on.

No the Youngsters
are making Robots for the Old Folks


I hope to be in China this year
as I want production increased
I want Mega World sales

each Nation must have there own programmers
or they will not get them

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's pretty widely accepted that the "boomer generation" and slightly beyond had more opportunity and an "easier ride" in general than at any time in history previously, or than we probably ever will again...

Easier access to home ownership, better employment rights, easier access to (meaningful) qualifications and employment... This isn't hypothesis, it's just history . Now, it's hardly those people's fault that they were able to take advantage of those opportunities and I'm not really on board with "generational jealousy" - but it's very flippant not to appreciate that there are very real barriers for young adults today.

Bull****

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not all young people work, they live off the state and think its their right to be lazy and slobs ,something Sam and his generation would never have done, its called self respect

Not all middle aged people work either

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not all young people work, they live off the state and think its their right to be lazy and slobs ,something Sam and his generation would never have done, its called self respect

Maybe the previous generation should have raised this one better then

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Does your mother wash your clothes in a wash house in a dolly tub,do you have to go outside to the toilet,do you have coats on the bed to keep you warm,do you bath in a tin bath by the fireside,do you have limited food stuffs? answer ,NO,(no offence meant by those things Sam,lol) You have far more today than you've ever had, nothing is impossible if you really want it. but you have to help yourself a little sometimes,yes it might be a struggle but perseverance will get you far.

Well I don't have to do any of that, but struggling to heat one's home and having limited food are still very much a reality for many people today. Difference is, just because I'm lucky enough that it doesn't affect me personally it doesn't mean I don't care.

Just because we've had some technological advances and new definitions of poverty have come to fruition, it doesn't mean that tired rhetoric and meritocratic fallacies about 'putting the work in' and 'anything is achievable' can solve some deep rooted societal problems. Some people are seriously lacking in opportunity for reasons beyond their control, and unless they are provided with one, they are destined for a life on the poverty line and unjustified abuse for being a 'scrounger'. Problems need solutions, not sayings.

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but then, the old teach the young and the young teach the old, that's the only way with intolerances so lack of respect (from either person..).. won't really help there either...

Oops maybe that came across wrong. I mean that I won't respect a person's outdated views but if they are capable of change then they will have my full respect

[arista]

Originally Posted by sampvt

If standing up for what I believe and defending my principles is wrong,then shoot me but all of my defences where in response to vitriolic rhetoric that went un noticed. I will not be painted into a corner as a homophobe just as much as you wont be regarded as a bad person. My punishment was uncalled for in the face of the barrage of hidden digs \I was getting. \the difference here \Dezzy is I am old school and cant fight dirty, \I say whats on my mind. No I am going off line now and wont be c]back till the series starts. hopefully it will be a pleasant one.

Yes In WW3
I will have you up the back helping Army Robots get ready
to assist the youngers on the Front line.


Sorry to "Cherry Pick" your thread
I can not Stop myself

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, I don't really agree with that bit because it's basically intolerance against intolerance and that's never the way to change views or have anything move forward...it's just showing the same thing...

I tend to assume that anyone who has made it to their 70's still blindly following hand-me-down opinions is a bit of a lost cause, especially if they do so forcefully and aggressively. To be entirely blunt... it's more efficient to just wait for them to die, and work on the younger generations, than it is to try to change them.