[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you for real? Seriously? you want me to tell you why I think that it's patronising to tell a person that you think their arguments in a debate/discussion are a bunch of lies and are hiding their underlying transphobia?

I haven't said that anyone's opinions are "a bunch of lies", I've said that it seems to me - very strongly - that there's something more behind those opinions than what is being offered. A perfectly valid part of any debate, and frankly, the incredulity in the responses doesn't really make me think otherwise?

Also, speaking for myself, I've always been into womens rights and a bit of a feminist, you can check back to when i joined this forum to see that but all of a sudden I don't really care about womens rights and am just pretending to to hide my transphobia? mm right.

Again, I have never said that anyone is only "pretending" to support women's rights. I do however believe that there is currently a strong anti-trans sentiment that is being attached to the pursuit or defense of women's rights that could debatably be questioned as transphobic in nature - but that can't be confirmed or denied, apparently, as it is not open to debate but only a flat "NO. DENY. DO NOT QUESTION AGAIN!". Serious debates. It should be OK to question someone's thinking! Or maybe we should rename the forum "Serious Soapboxing And Accepting Other People's Views Without Question". Wordsy, but more accurate.