[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Or maybe, I'll put myself out on a limb here...maybe they just, dont like her?

You dont have to be jealous or believe everything in the papers to not think someone is great

What is there not to like though? That's what I've asked numerous times and have never seemed to receive a decent, informed answer. Most of it has just been things relating to stories in the press - thus proving my belief that they've had a very negative impact and have hindered people's opinions of her.

Is it her ambition? What exactly is there not to like? Because from most comments, you would think she's killed someone...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What is there not to like though? That's what I've asked numerous times and have never seemed to receive a decent, informed answer. Most of it has just been things relating to stories in the press - thus proving my belief that they've had a very negative impact and have hindered people's opinions of her.

Is it her ambition? What exactly is there not to like? Because from most comments, you would think she's killed someone...

I just do not like her voice, I dislike all the over the top dramatics, such as collapsing on stage too.

That may not be a 'good enough' reason for you, but thats my opinion.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Jack_

For once I agree with you on something - the press and comments across various websites etc she is receiving is bordering on bullying, IMO. Some of the bile spouted has been absolutely disgusting. And I fail to understand what there is to hate about her? She's not murdered anyone, she's not committed any crimes - she's just ambitious. What's to hate about that? Some people are acting like she's a serial killer - it's pathetic.

I agree with Dezzy when it comes to the tabloids though, and I cannot believe masses off people lap it up. It baffles me how many gullible fools there are that will just believe anything they read and then pass on these stories to other fools, in turn making more and more people believe them. I just find it so...odd, how can people be so stupid?

Katie has a decent voice, not the strongest, but a nice tone. More importantly she has stage presence and personality, which as someone else said is more than can be said for a lot of the other contestants. And she also has the right image. She has the 'X Factor' - some people seem to mistake this as being purely a singing competition. It's not.

So I'm not sure what it is - either people don't like ambition, they're jealous, or they're just simply lapping up what they read in the papers. Whatever it is - they need to find something else to do, quite frankly.

Well I've never made a comment re Katie's appearance before, but I wouldn't consider her to be particularly pretty. She's a bit masculine. A cursory glance across to board shows much more personal and derogatory comments about Rebecca's appearance, to be honest - perhaps because she's vocally so strong. As to katie's voice, I think it's very, very weak. It's husky, but so's my nan's. In relation to the tabloids, I don't read them, so I've no idea what they're saying about her, other than that I read on here that she claimed a relationship with Matt that he subsequently denied. That wouldn't impact on my opinion either way. The over-acting and dramatics I find embarrassing. There's nothing at all wrong with ambition, but the sense of entitlement, narcissism and arrogance that both Katie and Cher give off are, frankly, funny, given that they are, for me, the two weakest, most contrived and derivative acts in the competition.
It's hilarious when anyone brands someone a fool or stupid or gullible for not liking someone. It's an opinion. This is an opinion forum.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I just do not like her voice, I dislike all the over the top dramatics, such as collapsing on stage too.

That may not be a 'good enough' reason for you, but thats my opinion.

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Well I've never made a comment re Katie's appearance before, but I wouldn't consider her to be particularly pretty. She's a bit masculine. A cursory glance across to board shows much more personal and derogatory comments about Rebecca's appearance, to be honest - perhaps because she's vocally so strong. As to katie's voice, I think it's very, very weak. It's husky, but so's my nan's. In relation to the tabloids, I don't read them, so I've no idea what they're saying about her, other than that I read on here that she claimed a relationship with Matt that he subsequently denied. That wouldn't impact on my opinion either way. The over-acting and dramatics I find embarrassing. There's nothing at all wrong with ambition, but the sense of entitlement, narcissism and arrogance that both Katie and Cher give off are, frankly, funny, given that they are, for me, the two weakest, most contrived and derivative acts in the competition.
It's hilarious when anyone brands someone a fool or stupid or gullible for not liking someone. It's an opinion. This is an opinion forum.

Quoted both of you at the same time regarding the same point - what 'dramatics'? I personally believe that's just her 'quirkyness'.

Especially regarding the 'falling on the floor' incident - has the thought crossed anyones mind, that, you know...she's just...had enough of all of the hate? Like I said, it's bordering on or practically the equivalent of bullying. I expect by that point she thought she was going home [like most people, including myself], knew people weren't going to change their [misguided] opinions of her - and so just thought aloud and said 'sod it'. Seems fair enough to me, afterall, some of the stuff that has been written about her is not only unfair, but it's disgusting.

And I don't think she's 'arrogant' either - why does having self-belief and confidence make someone arrogant? She'd be arrogant if she said 'I'm the best here, I'm the Queen of the world, I am so amazing, everyone should bow down to me' etc etc etc - but she hasn't. So why is she arrogant?

And to pastylimerick - I called the people who lap up the stories in the press 'gullible fools'.

[patsylimerick]

Re the tabloids, Jack, fair enough. But on the dramatics, she was like this from the very first audition, and never more so than when she batting the false icicles in the judge's house and seemed, to me, to be completely over dramatising the situation. To be honest, I didn't so much mind the 'sod it'. It was the first time I kinda smiled in a nice way in response to her. Still think she's a drama queen of the highest order, though. I think her image is way, way too try hard and her voice is very weak.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Quoted both of you at the same time regarding the same point - what 'dramatics'? I personally believe that's just her 'quirkyness'.

Especially regarding the 'falling on the floor' incident - has the thought crossed anyones mind, that, you know...she's just...had enough of all of the hate? Like I said, it's bordering on or practically the equivalent of bullying. I expect by that point she thought she was going home [like most people, including myself], knew people weren't going to change their [misguided] opinions of her - and so just thought aloud and said 'sod it'. Seems fair enough to me, afterall, some of the stuff that has been written about her is not only unfair, but it's disgusting.

It is my opinion that it is over the top dramatics, nothing more, and I find it pathetic.

Is that ok with you?

I think its about time you realised that not everyone thinks the same as you, or will support the same people as you do, for various reasons. Noones opinion is wrong, and noones is right, its an OPINION. It doesnt have to be explained.

The world would be a pretty boring place if everyone was the same.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It is my opinion that it is over the top dramatics, nothing more, and I find it pathetic.

Is that ok with you?

I think its about time you realised that not everyone thinks the same as you, or will support the same people as you do, for various reasons. Noones opinion is wrong, and noones is right, its an OPINION. It doesnt have to be explained.

The world would be a pretty boring place if everyone was the same.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It is my opinion that it is over the top dramatics, nothing more, and I find it pathetic.

Is that ok with you?

I think its about time you realised that not everyone thinks the same as you, or will support the same people as you do, for various reasons. Noones opinion is wrong, and noones is right, its an OPINION. It doesnt have to be explained.

The world would be a pretty boring place if everyone was the same.

I know it would - and it would also be a pretty boring place if debate didn't exist and people weren't allowed to challenge other people's opinions. That is essentially what a forum is for, right? And that's all I'm doing - challenging yours [and other people's] opinions regarding Katie, questioning why you dislike her, and then challenging those answers. What's the point in having this forum if we can't do that and we have to sit back and just state our opinions and then leave?

I never said people aren't entitled to their opinions, of course they are - but I, along with everyone else, am entitled to question those opinions, along with the validity and coherence of those opinions - amongst other things. Justifying [or 'explaining'] your opinion is part of debate - if someone isn't willing to justify their opinion, either they shouldn't be on a debate forum or their 'opinion' or 'argument' isn't strong enough.

I have had my opinions regarding favourites questioned before - and I have happily justified my reasoning and debated with them. The same applies to me when questioning other people's opinions - it's nothing to do with 'realising everyone doesn't think the same as me'.

[Vicky.]

I dont hate her. I just dont particularly like her...I dont think she should still be there. thats all.

Though i can think of a couple who are worse than her

[Stacey.]

I do actually like her voice... and she seems sort of sweet aswell.

[tate]

have to say that i agree that you cannot believe everything read in the tabloids, however there is no smoke without fire and that girl seems to be carrying a lit match and a can of petrol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by tate

have to say that i agree that you cannot believe everything read in the tabloids, however there is no smoke without fire and that girl seems to be carrying a lit match and a can of petrol

That's a rubbish way to look at things though, if Katie wasn't there it'd be someone else who would be made into the villain. The tabloids lie a disgusting amount. There's hardly ever an ounce of truth within them.

You can't really say you don't believe in what the tabloids say and the say there's no smoke without fire, that's hypocritical.

[tate]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a rubbish way to look at things though, if Katie wasn't there it'd be someone else who would be made into the villain. The tabloids lie a disgusting amount. There's hardly ever an ounce of truth within them.

You can't really say you don't believe in what the tabloids say and the say there's no smoke without fire, that's hypocritical.

i disagree Dezzy, the tabloids tend to exagerate stories and often take things in a different context however there is almost always a basis to go on so to suggest that every story is untrue is ridiculous, there would be lawsuits galore if that were the case and the press complaints commision crawling all over them

Although you are correct, if it wasnt katie it would be someone else however i still stand by the no smoke no fire comment i made

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by tate

i disagree Dezzy, the tabloids tend to exagerate stories and often take things in a different context however there is almost always a basis to go on so to suggest that every story is untrue is ridiculous, there would be lawsuits galore if that were the case and the press complaints commision crawling all over them

Although you are correct, if it wasnt katie it would be someone else however i still stand by the no smoke no fire comment i made

There wouldn't actually because most tabloids use 'unnamed sources' or 'insiders', if you look at most of the quotes in those articles the language and style is always similar because hardly any 'insiders' are real. It's just a way for the media to print BS as due to the freedom of the press they don't have to give up their sources so it's tricky to prove most of it wrong. They print lies, but they almost always make sure they're covered by this first.

[Z]

I disliked her based on her audition; she has a very grating personality. That, coupled with the outrage surrounding Cheryl's decision making at judges' houses, has turned people against her. From then on I think it's just been based on tabloid lies and supposition from the general public: Katie was on in the latter half of the first four live shows and kept being saved in the sing off - Treyc v Katie being the icing on the cake. I think people are convinced there's a conspiracy theory involved (and there is a fair amount of stuff to base that view on, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it) and are determined to dislike her because of it. She's a scapegoat in the same way that Wagner is a scapegoat to stick a middle finger up at the X Factor.

Having said that, I've felt sorry for her ever since the tabloids started a bandwagon of hate against her; she doesn't deserve any of it.

[nanaimo]

i haven't read much about Katie in the tabloids, i don't care actually, my judgement on her is purely her behavior and her performances. hope she goes!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

i haven't read much about Katie in the tabloids, i don't care actually, my judgement on her is purely her behavior and her performances. hope she goes!

Don't worry, she will go this week

[Benjamin]

Just to throw some meat to the lion cage that is this thread, I love Katie but can see why people dislike her

[Danielle1232]

Katie's Well Good :O





And ahm back,Well i was back yesterday but still likes lol.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by kazanne

What is it exactly that makes people dislike Katie so much?Yes ,she is a bit of a drama queen,but so is Cher,I do admit I much prefer Katies voice to Chers,I know she has had lots of bad press,but so have the others and do we REALLY believe any of it?she is quite good looking,so what is it that makes people hate her so much?I am serious and curious.

Cher is just as much a 'drama queen' and I think that is the explanation and answer. Girl fight.
It is the best way to inflame a fan-girl war. Cher versus Katie = massive voting and viewers and online hype.

But outside that - I don't know why anyone is especially concerned with getting rid of her so quickly.
Aiden is dreadful and actually painful to watch. The Boy Band is still taking up space. Cher is, at best, only a slightly better singer.

So yeah.. I see her as 1 of about 4 or 5 who can go now. Not something special.
personally, I could easily see Boy Band and Grim Grimshaw disappear first.

[fruit_cake]

I dont think its Katie's fault the public hate her, Its Cheryls fault for putting her through... she should never have been in the competition in the first place!! Gamu was just too ugly to be in Cheryl's gang.. simple as that

[Novo]

Someone needs to get a grip in this thread and it's not Jack.. comparing Danyl and Katie in relation to the press is the worst thing i have ever read on this forum...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Novo

Someone needs to get a grip in this thread and it's not Jack.. comparing Danyl and Katie in relation to the press is the worst thing i have ever read on this forum...

Is it you?

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Is it you?

No it is you... but i don't think i need to tell you that..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Novo

No it is you... but i don't think i need to tell you that..

Well, we're all entitled to our opinions Andy