[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Rose McGowan

why do people on here always use the 'BUT IF THEY SAID THAT ABOUT A BLACK PERSON' thing on here like really

Because it's relevant to the discussion I was having. Liam said "but he is Irish and he is a ****" and I said "so if he was black and he was a **** it would be ok to call him a black ****?" You don't see how that's an ok comparison?

[Liam-]

I personally find that when using someone's nationally in an insult like Harry used, i think it only becomes used as an offensive thing when the offensive word used, directly correlates to the person's nationality, if that makes sense?

Like, 'Irish ****' or like i said 'Welsh wanker' to me, that doesn't use a person's nationality as the prevalent insult, whereas if someone said 'Irish *something about potatoes*' or 'Welsh *something about sheep shagging*' that would be directly using someone's nationality as an insult to them.

It's still silly to place a person's nationality in that sort of context though, but I can't back that as being directly xenophobic.

Idek if any of that made sense but hohum.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I personally find that when using someone's nationally in an insult like Harry used, i think it only becomes used as an offensive thing when the offensive word used, directly correlates to the person's nationality, if that makes sense?

Like, 'Irish ****' or like i said 'Welsh wanker' to me, that doesn't use a person's nationality as the prevalent insult, whereas if someone said 'Irish *something about potatoes*' or 'Welsh *something about sheep shagging*' that would be directly using someone's nationality as an insult to them.

Idek if any of that made sense but hohum.

Its more about double standards, if she had called him a black **** she would have been removed

[Niamh.]

Well, I remember being called a stupid ****ing Irish bitch by someone when i lived in London years ago and I can tell you the part that offended me so much was that the word Irish had been thrown in amongst the insults. I really felt like the person who said it was trying to belittle me because not only was I stupid and a bitch but I was Irish which was less then them, that's what it felt like to me

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I personally find that when using someone's nationally in an insult like Harry used, i think it only becomes used as an offensive thing when the offensive word used, directly correlates to the person's nationality, if that makes sense?

Like, 'Irish ****' or like i said 'Welsh wanker' to me, that doesn't use a person's nationality as the prevalent insult, whereas if someone said 'Irish *something about potatoes*' or 'Welsh *something about sheep shagging*' that would be directly using someone's nationality as an insult to them.

It's still silly to place a person's nationality in that sort of context though, but I can't back that as being directly xenophobic.

Idek if any of that made sense but hohum.

It was an xenophobic comment regardless of any excuses anyone comes up with.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

It was an xenophobic comment regardless of any excuses anyone comes up with.

I wasn't making excuses, I was stating my opinion.. the same as I'd do so even if it was Marc who had said something similar, before anyone feels like throwing that little cliche at me.

[ebandit]

meh!........while the phrase is not one to be encouraged it's hardly disgusting...........

Mark L

[Kazanne]

The reaction of some on here would have been SO different if Marc had said that , it's pathetic , as is she.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The reaction of some on here would have been SO different if Marc had said that , it's pathetic , as is she.

Not from me it wouldn't.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ebandit

meh!........while the phrase is not one to be encouraged it's hardly disgusting...........

Mark L

And if she had said black **** ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And if she had said black **** ?

well the comparison would need to be a country


Nigerian ****
Malawian ****
Jamaican ****

[Dollface]

Didn't Marc call Harry a Knacker yesterday? Apparently that is a derogatory term for a traveller, which is also "out of order"

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And if she had said black **** ?

Harry didn't bring up the colour of Marc's skin

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well the comparison would need to be a country


Nigerian ****
Malawian ****
Jamaican ****

and all I have no doubt she'd be warned if she said any of those things to a HM of one of those nationalities

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Didn't Marc call Harry a Knacker yesterday? Apparently that is a derogatory term for a traveller, which is also "out of order"

What a load of utter rubbish ,I have a gypsy brother in law

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And if she had said black **** ?

..........and if she stabbed mark through his heart i would say...........

.........hang her high..............

Mark L

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Harry didn't bring up the colour of Marc's skin

Ok your twisting words, so we will try Pakistani ****

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Didn't Marc call Harry a Knacker yesterday? Apparently that is a derogatory term for a traveller, which is also "out of order"

Yes it is, that doesn't take away from the fact that what she said is also offensive, it's offensive to Jade as well as she's an Irish person and I find it offensive as an Irish person. I don't give a s**t who she said it to, i don't even like Marc, I find it offensive as an Irish viewer

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What a load of utter rubbish ,I have a gypsy brother in law

and i'm an english layabout..............big deal!

Mark L

[chuff me dizzy]

Urban meaning of a knacker .......... knacker
Incestuous, boxing, sovereign ring wearing, tracksuited shaven headed scumbags. Girls wear bellytops (Even if they're 15 stone), guys are small, jewelry and violence are rampant. Enjoy having children with sisters, looking at you with squinty eyes and scaring people. In many places refers to SCUMBAGS in general, and good travellers are not covered by the word - depening where you're from.
"C'mear yow, give oos a fooking Yaro boss or I'll fooking box ya" said the knacker.


And by God, Marcs spot on with that one !!!!!!!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ebandit

and i'm an english layabout..............big deal!

Mark L

YOU are calling your self that sunbeam ,no one else is, never mind a scummy little prossie in a tv show

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

YOU are calling your self that sunbeam ,no one else is, never mind a scummy little prossie in a tv show

Harry isn't a "prossie" ... Helen was though

Funny how you defended Helen but call Harry a prossie/skank/etc.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

YOU are calling your self that sunbeam ,no one else is, never mind a scummy little prossie in a tv show

.........sunbeam........i like that..........maybe the sun really does shine out

of there............

Mark L

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Harry isn't a "prossie" ... Helen was though

Funny how you defended Helen but call Harry a prossie/skank/etc.

Helen had more class in her little finger than Mucky Box

[Niamh.]

Helen and Class in the same sentence