[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

The look on his face and his body language was enough to see he wasn't comfortable with it. He probably thought if he said something Tomasz would sulk and have a good old bitch about it and make him out to be a bad guy. Just because Tomasz is touchy-feely with people, it doesn't mean they should let him do as he likes with them. I mean, where does Tomasz draw the line and how far would he go if there weren't any cameras?

I agree with you totally that just because Tomasz is touchy feely people shouldn't let him do as he likes with them, and i wasn't suggesting for one moment they should.

However, I honestly do believe that if Akeem was that uncomfortable he would have stopped him or have told him to stop. In fact, his words suggested he wasn't awkward, as did him encouraging Tomasz to give him a lap dance the other night! I also think the same would apply to Akeem had the cameras been off. Akeem would be totally able to defend himself if it was necessary.

Your last sentence seems to imply that Tomasz would sexually assault someone, which seems to me a little inappropriate and unfair. It is noticeable that Tomasz has not behaved this way with everyone in the house, but has chosen the two strongest and most macho guys in the house, both of whom are straight - if he truly wanted to force unwanted attention on someone and was some sort of sexual predator, surely he would choose someone potentially more vulnerable, e.g. a smaller gay guy such as Cian (especially when he is drunk) or a young, inexperienced guy like Cameron.

His choices make no sense if his intentions are sinister, and I think perhaps he is trying to be amusing.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by ThatsMyUserName

Normally, I'd say totally out of order.
However, I get the impression he has been touchy feely the whole time he's been in the house and they just see it a normal behaviour. How sad if that's the case, as it wouldn't be tolerated in the real world.

It might be tolerated within a group of friends where everyone knows each other's behaviours and motives, and just sees it as a bit of a laugh.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

How though?...you can't just agree with everything Lewis says...why do YOU think he is two faced?

Cosying up to Thomas after all the things he said about him? It makes me suspicious.

[Vanessa]

It made mw feel very uncomfortable.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Cosying up to Thomas after all the things he said about him? It makes me suspicious.

Isn't it the other way round ,don't start blaming Akeem just because Tomasz is a pervert .

[bots]

how the heck is it Akeem's fault that Tomasz was pawing him?

We had an old headmaster that used to behave like that several lifetimes ago .... and not a single person who experienced it felt comfortable about it

[Beso]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You only had to see his body movement...leaning away from Tomasz as he was stroking him...and his eyes said it all...darting about like he didn't know what to do and clearly uncomfortable with it...it was so apparent.

He could have got up and walked away, or he could have simply turned to him and said get your fat sweaty Percy hands off me..... But he didn't.....



Cause he's NOT PLAYING A GAME.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

how the heck is it Akeem's fault that Tomasz was pawing him?

We had an old headmaster that used to behave like that several lifetimes ago .... and not a single person who experienced it felt comfortable about it

Yeah it's not Akeem's fault that Tomasz is a pervert , if anything it makes Tomasz look worse especially when he'd been bitching constantly about Akeem . But I knew this would happen .

[jaxie]

It was uncomfortable to watch and Tomasz made himself look very sleazy and creepy.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It was uncomfortable to watch and Tomasz made himself look very sleazy and creepy.

It's ridiculous how Akeem is getting blamed .

[bots]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I agree with you totally that just because Tomasz is touchy feely people shouldn't let him do as he likes with them, and i wasn't suggesting for one moment they should.

However, I honestly do believe that if Akeem was that uncomfortable he would have stopped him or have told him to stop. In fact, his words suggested he wasn't awkward, as did him encouraging Tomasz to give him a lap dance the other night! I also think the same would apply to Akeem had the cameras been off. Akeem would be totally able to defend himself if it was necessary.

Your last sentence seems to imply that Tomasz would sexually assault someone, which seems to me a little inappropriate and unfair. It is noticeable that Tomasz has not behaved this way with everyone in the house, but has chosen the two strongest and most macho guys in the house, both of whom are straight - if he truly wanted to force unwanted attention on someone and was some sort of sexual predator, surely he would choose someone potentially more vulnerable, e.g. a smaller gay guy such as Cian (especially when he is drunk) or a young, inexperienced guy like Cameron.

His choices make no sense if his intentions are sinister, and I think perhaps he is trying to be amusing.

I disagree. Tomasz chose the macho men to basically dare them to do something about it. If they had reacted negatively he would have played the victim.

Everything about Tomasz pawing Akeem was wrong, and I'm sorry, if he invades peoples private space like that, he is a predator

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I disagree. Tomasz chose the macho men to basically dare them to do something about it. If they had reacted negatively he would have played the victim.

Everything about Tomasz pawing Akeem was wrong, and I'm sorry, if he invades peoples private space like that, he is a predator

I agree
if Cameron was touched and reacted upset then it would of been ok same with Cian.

But if Akeem gets upset then the whole house would turn on him ,typical hypocrisy & double standards .

Tomasz is a pig and he wants a reaction from Akeem, so he can run back to the others and bad mouth Akeem .

[chuff me dizzy]

IMO You all have read this wrong, heres my take on it ............. As we know Tomasz hates Akeem ,hes up for eviction alongside Tomasz's mate Isaac,Akeem is being cool as .... over it,Tomasz saw his chance to get Akeem to drop being Mr Cool nice chap ,he sat pawing and slavering over him for a reaction ,he wanted him to flip his lid as 99% of straight men would do but I think Akeem knew Tomasz's game and sat here impassive, he must have wanted to punch him all over the garden but wasn't rising to his goading ,do I think Tomasz fancies Akeem ? not in a million years, it was all a ploy for a reaction and Im glad Akeem didnt react

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I disagree. Tomasz chose the macho men to basically dare them to do something about it. If they had reacted negatively he would have played the victim.

Everything about Tomasz pawing Akeem was wrong, and I'm sorry, if he invades peoples private space like that, he is a predator

Great minds

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Isn't it the other way round ,don't start blaming Akeem just because Tomasz is a pervert .

I'm not blaming Akeem. Im just saying, if i was him i wouldn't let Thomas anywhere near me after the way they slagged him off.
Of course it was Thomas fault. That's obvious.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Totally out of order...he doesn't even like the guy but he was doing it deliberately...poor Akeem looked SO uncomfortable.
He wanted a reaction...and Akeem didn't react the way he wanted him too.
Uncomfortable viewing though...Tomasz was way out of line.

Yeah totally agree with this, it would be different if they were close in there but because of the sort of relationship they do have it almost felt like Tomasz was doing it to almost show dominance over him or something

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah totally agree with this, it would be different if they were close in there but because of the sort of relationship they do have it almost felt like Tomasz was doing it to almost show dominance over him or something

Im surprised he didn't get a warning about it. Invading personal space.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Im surprised he didn't get a warning about it. Invading personal space.

Akeem would have to complain to BB first,hes no fool he knew exactly what game Tomasz was playing

[Elliot]

He should get a warning or reminder of the rules for it if I’m being honest

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

IMO You all have read this wrong, heres my take on it ............. As we know Tomasz hates Akeem ,hes up for eviction alongside Tomasz's mate Isaac,Akeem is being cool as .... over it,Tomasz saw his chance to get Akeem to drop being Mr Cool nice chap ,he sat pawing and slavering over him for a reaction ,he wanted him to flip his lid as 99% of straight men would do but I think Akeem knew Tomasz's game and sat here impassive, he must have wanted to punch him all over the garden but wasn't rising to his goading ,do I think Tomasz fancies Akeem ? not in a million years, it was all a ploy for a reaction and Im glad Akeem didnt react

That didn't occur to me until now, but it sounds more likely. He's devious enough to do that.

Do you remember when Akeem asked Cameron if he'd like to go on the date with him before Cian and Zoe won it? and Tomasz's response was "Urgh" implying that he was repulsed by Akeem - and on top of that there's obviously the various incidents of him bitching and trying to get Akeem out. Ugh...what a nasty spiteful snake he is.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

That didn't occur to me until now, but it sounds more likely. He's devious enough to do that.

Do you remember when Akeem asked Cameron if he'd like to go on the date with him before Cian and Zoe won it? and Tomasz's response was "Urgh" implying that he was repulsed by Akeem - and on top of that there's obviously the various incidents of him bitching and trying to get Akeem out. Ugh...what a nasty spiteful snake he is.

I would like to see the dirty perv try what he did to Akeem on another straight man in a pub ,he would be carried out on a stretcher

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

IMO You all have read this wrong, heres my take on it ............. As we know Tomasz hates Akeem ,hes up for eviction alongside Tomasz's mate Isaac,Akeem is being cool as .... over it,Tomasz saw his chance to get Akeem to drop being Mr Cool nice chap ,he sat pawing and slavering over him for a reaction ,he wanted him to flip his lid as 99% of straight men would do but I think Akeem knew Tomasz's game and sat here impassive, he must have wanted to punch him all over the garden but wasn't rising to his goading ,do I think Tomasz fancies Akeem ? not in a million years, it was all a ploy for a reaction and Im glad Akeem didnt react

Spot on Chuff.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I would like to see the dirty perv try what he did to Akeem on another straight man in a pub ,he would be carried out on a stretcher

Would have to be a bloody strong one.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Would have to be a bloody strong one.

Hoist !!

[Denver]

Everyone would be flicking their bean had it been a good looking male doing it to a woman but because its a chubby Polish crossdresser he is a perv