[Ammi]

...it’s been found by the judge that on at least 12 occasions, he did abuse her...So this is obviously a win for Amber and a loss for Johnny but more importantly than that it’s a win for domestic abuse victims and a loss for their abusers...and we’re obviously just about to go into another lockdown situation with households having little outer contact...so not a thriving situation for COVID but most certainly a thriving situation for domestic abuse...it’s so important for this to be the focus, rather than two celebrities who appeared to have possibly had a complicated/toxic relationship...He was found to have abused her on at least 12 occasions and that’s pretty horrendous...

...one of the things that I noticed yesterday in some news channels showing them leaving the court on various occasions...this whole thing, each day in court and with the view of the vein of it all...each day must have been so harrowing, so emotionally exhausting...but there were times when Johnny almost ‘skipped out’ and down the steps and waving and smiling etc to his ‘appreciation crowd’...there seemed much more mixed emotions from Amber, the emotional exhaustion showing more in times of her being somber and tearful etc...that never really quite sat well with me because he would also know that this wasn’t just about them either, it was about domestic abuse victims...and he fully knew that he’d abused her, as the judge has declared that to have been fully proven...so he’s really shown little regard to that and the many female victims in the seriousness of this case...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s been found by the judge that on at least 12 occasions, he did abuse her...So this is obviously a win for Amber and a loss for Johnny but more importantly than that it’s a win for domestic abuse victims and a loss for their abusers...

Is it though?
I think it's doing a lot of damage tbh. Outside of the fact it was clearly an abusive relationship on both sides, the result of this libel trial is now starting a narrative in the papers (and on news shows) that the abusive woman remains the victim in this scenario, regardless of her own behaviours. Extremely damaging and playing into stereotypes IMO.

They've both contributed to a toxic relationship, but, as the man, he's the "wife beater" who deserves to be vilified across the newspapers it seems by scum like Dan Wootton, whilst she, as the woman, gets to play act the victim and be the "winner" and anyone who dares point that out is "misogynistic". Nah, doesn't sit right at all.

Those are the outdated attitudes Heard has relied on to push all blame onto Depp and destroy his life and career.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s been found by the judge that on at least 12 occasions, he did abuse her...So this is obviously a win for Amber and a loss for Johnny but more importantly than that it’s a win for domestic abuse victims and a loss for their abusers...and we’re obviously just about to go into another lockdown situation with households having little outer contact...so not a thriving situation for COVID but most certainly a thriving situation for domestic abuse...it’s so important for this to be the focus, rather than two celebrities who appeared to have possibly had a complicated/toxic relationship...He was found to have abused her on at least 12 occasions and that’s pretty horrendous...

...one of the things that I noticed yesterday in some news channels showing them leaving the court on various occasions...this whole thing, each day in court and with the view of the vein of it all...each day must have been so harrowing, so emotionally exhausting...but there were times when Johnny almost ‘skipped out’ and down the steps and waving and smiling etc to his ‘appreciation crowd’...there seemed much more mixed emotions from Amber, the emotional exhaustion showing more in times of her being somber and tearful etc...that never really quite sat well with me because he would also know that this wasn’t just about them either, it was about domestic abuse victims...and he fully knew that he’d abused her, as the judge has declared that to have been fully proven...so he’s really shown little regard to that and the many female victims in the seriousness of this case...

Yeah. You also get the impression that people just want to believe Johnny is completely innocent because he's a well loved good looking actor, it feels to me that people in general (not always just men either) are more comfortable with the woman being the bad one and the liar. Initially, people believed Amber because of some recordings but when some others came out to show her acting abusive it was like people were so relieved they could now act like Johnny was the poor manipulated good guy when that really does not seem to be the case at all, it looks very much like both of them acted abusive and aggressive.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so any negative opinion of an abuser is misogynistic trolling because she just so happens to be a woman?

I'm sure unintentional but this sounds so MRA .

In seriousness though (opinion piece coming up), the Depp/Heard situation is clearly extremely complex, evidence of violence all round, mixed up in substance abuse and mental health issues. They both clearly have massive personal issues and their relationship was beyond toxic. I think that part of that for Heard is that the toxic relationship sparked joy for her, she probably associates the aggression, violence and craziness with an "intense" or "passionate" relationship as part of her own personal demons (not uncommon) whereas frankly Depp is getting on a bit and was probably getting very tired of it and wanted it all to stop. That's what I hear in the tapes. It doesn't mean he wasn't an active participant before that point of having had enough. Also, the fact that his previous relationships weren't violent really means zip - they were different relationships.

In short I think they were both violent and Depps probably wasn't "just" retaliatory/in self defense, Heard has done a lot of lying and manipulating on top but it's all wrapped up in the same thing.

Based purely on the tapes that were released you could even say that Heard was the worse of the two, certainly in terms of being emotionally manipulative, but then that assumes they tell the whole story.

But as I said to Truth/Brillo/Whoever that multi is, this "Depp pure and innocent, Heard demon" narrative just isn't the real world, it's film/telly territory and completely unrealistic.

[bots]

Depp has never been an actor that i ever liked, he always made my skin crawl for some reason, to the point i couldn't care less what he does in his private life. I just don't want to know about it. As a result, this is a simple case of he lost a court case ... great, now i can continue to ignore him

[Ammi]

....I do actually care a lot about this../...their private life because in terms of domestic abuse there is a bigger picture and many layers and especially if it’s Male on female domestic abuse and it’s a ‘popular Male’...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Depp has never been an actor that i ever liked, he always made my skin crawl for some reason, to the point i couldn't care less what he does in his private life. I just don't want to know about it. As a result, this is a simple case of he lost a court case ... great, now i can continue to ignore him

has had some iconic roles though

Captain Jack Sparrow

Willy Wonka

Tonto

Edward Scissorhands

[Marsh.]

Oh, there's no need to apologise, honestly. Your view is your view.
It's just the amount of misinformation that gets spread (I know, I know, what's new on the internet) is incredibly frustrating. With people treating it like it was a domestic abuse court case where it's been judged Johnny Depp abused his wife. Full stop.

When the case was only focussed on libel for one article the Scum posted about him.

The use of the result of that to entirely change the narrative is troubling.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh, there's no need to apologise, honestly. Your view is your view.
It's just the amount of misinformation that gets spread (I know, I know, what's new on the internet) is incredibly frustrating. With people treating it like it was a domestic abuse court case where it's been judged Johnny Depp abused his wife. Full stop.

When the case was only focussed on libel for one article the Scum posted about him.

The use of the result of that to entirely change the narrative is troubling.

Oh I don't think anyone really believes that's the whole story, it's just a bit off in my eyes that he would go that far to lie about him having any involvement in the dishing out of abuse and I think maybe that could be bad for male victims of abuse coming forward, if you get what I mean?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I don't think anyone really believes that's the whole story, it's just a bit off in my eyes that he would go that far to lie about him having any involvement in the dishing out of abuse and I think maybe that could be bad for male victims of abuse coming forward, if you get what I mean?

Anyone? I will completely disagree with you there. Loose Women yesterday (god knows what possessed me to watch it) championing what it's done for women repulsed me.

Absolutely, my point is this case hasn't done anyone any favours, least of all Heard and Depp themselves. It's why I can't fathom the idea of the verdict being good for anyone bar more justification for a biased and cesspit media. But that's just business as usual for the Sun.

[Vanessa]

It just annoys me that she protrayed herself as the victim.
Especially when the tapes came out and what I always suspected was true : that's she's a very abusive kind of person.
Now Johnny may not be perfect, but he's not malicious like her.
He may have had to defend himself, but there's nothing wrong with that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It just annoys me that she protrayed herself as the victim.
Especially when the tapes came out and what I always suspected was true : that's she's a very abusive kind of person.
Now Johnny may not be perfect, but he's not malicious like her.
He may have had to defend himself, but there's nothing wrong with that.

With all due respect Vanessa you have absolutely no idea what kind of a person Johnny is

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect Vanessa you have absolutely no idea what kind of a person Johnny is

Maybe not, but he's always been my favourite actor and I've followed his career over the years.

[Liam-]

Johnny wasn’t on trial, so I don’t see how it can be seen as him being found guilty of anything

[bots]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Johnny wasn’t on trial, so I don’t see how it can be seen as him being found guilty of anything

he tried to challenge reality and force the press to portray a false picture of who he is as an individual

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he tried to challenge reality and force the press to portray a false picture of who he is as an individual

No he didn't. They already falsely presented his former marriage as one-sided.

He's always shunned the media. Probably why they were so eager to pile-on.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Anyone? I will completely disagree with you there.

Anyone that I've seen then

Absolutely, my point is this case hasn't done anyone any favours, least of all Heard and Depp themselves. It's why I can't fathom the idea of the verdict being good for anyone bar more justification for a biased and cesspit media. But that's just business as usual for the Sun.

God knows why they both didn't just lie low and hoped it would all just blow over.....

Originally Posted by Liam-

Johnny wasn’t on trial, so I don’t see how it can be seen as him being found guilty of anything

Well the Sun were on trial for lying about him being abusive and it was found that they weren't lying so

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well the Sun were on trial for lying about him being abusive and it was found that they weren't lying so

He couldn’t prove to an acceptable level that he didn’t beat his wife, how does someone prove something like that? Especially in a world right now where men are automatically believed to be the abusers

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He couldn’t prove to an acceptable level that he didn’t beat his wife, how does someone prove something like that? Especially in a world right now where men are automatically believed to be the abusers

No, the Sun proved to a sufficient standard that he did do it

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he tried to challenge reality and force the press to portray a false picture of who he is as an individual

Funny, that’s literally what Amber did

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, the Sun proved to a sufficient standard that he did do it

Ah, I forgot Dan Wooton was Inspector Morse

[AnnieK]

The relationship was toxic. There are huge amounts of fault on both sides if the evidence presented at the trial is to be believed. No man should ever lay a hand on a woman but simarly the opposite is true, no woman should lay a hand on a man in anger and I believe they have both abused each other.

The only "winner" in this case is the Sun. I think it could have a massive detrimental effect on male costing of abuse coming forward due to the courts believing the woman.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The relationship was toxic. There are huge amounts of fault on both sides if the evidence presented at the trial is to be believed. No man should ever lay a hand on a woman but simarly the opposite is true, no woman should lay a hand on a man in anger and I believe they have both abuses each other.

Yep.

[Liam-]

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

This. She's not a victim at all.
I think she's very manipulative.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

What world do you live in Liam where you think men are the hard done by ones in these things? The whole world (and TiBB) were weeping for Sean Connery the other day who had very questionable views on hitting women and had also been abusive to atleast one of his wives, it didn't seem to affect his career or anyone's opinion on how wonderful he was though. Lets just see how the careers of Amber and Johnny go after this to decide who's label sticks hardest