[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

We don't know if the conductor perhaps did offer the youth this option and that's where it began to kick off. The start of the clip seems to be whereby the 'discussion' has become a heated one.

For all we know, the conductor may have offered the guy the option and he told him to eff off that he had a ticket.....

Ah at last some common sense. Thats very true, nor do we know what excuses the youth gave, nor the conversation or tones of the conductor prior to whats shown on the clip.

There is lots we dont know.

But as admirable as you think the passenger who threw the youth off is, we do know he committed an assault on the youth. The only people allowed to "lay hands" on another person and physically remove them from a train are the police, transport police and duly authorised personnel in the execution of their duty.

This isnt a case of citizen's arrest. It is assault, pure and simple and as soon as some other numpty whispers the word compensation claim in the youths ear he will no doubt make a complaint. Such is life.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

The guy that interfered was far too rough, yeah the one that never had a ticket was in the wrong but that was between him and the conductor, no one else, just because he never had a ticket doesnt mean the other guy had a right to assault him, the conductor should have done his job properly and kept him on the train then radio through for the police to be waiting at the next station.

Originally Posted by Shasown

Very true and the conductor should also have offered to allow the man to purchase a valid ticket or provide some acceptable form of ID in order for the company to send an invoice for the fare for the youth to pay at a convenient time (Thats part of the provisions Rail compainies must follow imposed when the network was sold off).

The passenger had no right to interfere or to manhandle the youth off the train, thats called vigilantism. Would have been funny if the youth had knocked him on his ass after fat man grabbed him, fat man would have had no comeback.

Even though the act was carried out apparently as a public spirited action, in order to help out the conductor and make sure people werent overly delayed because of the action of one numpty its still illegal.

Yup, exactly...to both.

I fail to see how people can think this idiot (the big bloke) was in the right by throwing his weight around...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

The guy that interfered was far too rough, yeah the one that never had a ticket was in the wrong but that was between him and the conductor, no one else, just because he never had a ticket doesnt mean the other guy had a right to assault him, the conductor should have done his job properly and kept him on the train then radio through for the police to be waiting at the next station.

Yeah, this would have been the best option really. It was quite uncomfortable viewing tbh. Yeah, he was verbally rude to the conductor but the conductor should have acted more professionally and called the proper authorities instead of giving a passenger the go ahead to basically assault him. That kid/man (whatever), would be within his rights to sue the rail company too I reckon.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i would have enjoyed that more if the guy who threw him off was attractive

also hes a dick everybody knows if you dont want to pay you hide in the toilets the ticket attendants rarely check them

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

preach josy the big guy wanted to look like some kind of hero bet he thought he was gonna get a pride of britain award and he just ended up looking like a **** and he nearly squashed that poor woman

[GypsyGoth]

The fare dodger wants us to argue.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

The fare dodger wants us to argue.

[fruit_cake]

I always go in the car

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Snowball

So you have no opinion then on the subject?

what Karl has said

[Benjamin]

Good, the little scumbag deserved it. All this molly coddling like 'oh he may have had his reasons for not paying', bull****. If you you can't afford the train don't get on it, simple as.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by God

Good, the little scumbag deserved it. All this molly coddling like 'oh he may have had his reasons for not paying', bull****. If you you can't afford the train don't get on it, simple as.

GOD has spoken.

I am in agreement with GOD.

Not much more to say.

[Benjamin]

I'm temporarily locking this and cleaning it up as some of the posts are way off topic.

[Benjamin]

Right, cleaned it up as best as I can whilst my internet is running slow. Please keep on topic everyone.

[InOne]

Yes the guy was a twat but the "big man" took it too far. Don't get why this whole "lefty" argument is used, surely there is a limit to what is soft and what is not. The guy who chucked him off was just some thug and worse than the guy that didn't have a ticket. I hope he gets done for assault. If that's how they do it in Scotland thank god I don't live there.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Yes the guy was a twat but the "big man" took it too far. Don't get why this whole "lefty" argument is used, surely there is a limit to what is soft and what is not. The guy who chucked him off was just some thug and worse than the guy that didn't have a ticket. I hope he gets done for assault. If that's how they do it in Scotland thank god I don't live there.

I'm thankful I do - having seen the other clip and stories & clips of late that appear to show those south of Scotland in a far worse light, and being dealt with in a far more nambie pampie, wrap people in cotton wool and allow them to do what they like attitude - yep I'm thankful for living in Scotland.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I'm thankful I do - having seen the other clip and stories & clips of late that appear to show those south of Scotland in a far worse light, and being dealt with in a far more nambie pampie, wrap people in cotton wool and allow them to do what they like attitude - yep I'm thankful for living in Scotland.

Do they not have the police in Scotland?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Do they not have the police in Scotland?

Why waste public funds .....when a good chuck out suffices?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Why waste public funds .....when a good chuck out suffices?

Because it's not very civil is it...

[Josy]

Conductors are trained to handle situations like that discreetly without involving any of the public, there was no need at all for any of the other passengers to get involved in that incident, the conductor could have walked away, used his radio to report it and then went about his work without holding up the train and the guy with no ticket would have been dealt with by the proper authorities at the next station, fair enough if you think interfering guy was in the right but to suggest that's the way it's done in Scotland is ridiculous, that makes it sound as if things like than happen here on a daily basis where in most cases that kind of thing would be sorted out through the proper channels.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

Conductors are trained to handle situations like that discreetly without involving any of the public, there was no need at all for any of the other passengers to get involved in that incident, the conductor could have walked away, used his radio to report it and then went about his work without holding up the train and the guy with no ticket would have been dealt with by the proper authorities at the next station, fair enough if you think interfering guy was in the right but to suggest that's the way it's done in Scotland is ridiculous, that makes it sound as if things like than happen here on a daily basis where in most cases that kind of thing would be sorted out through the proper channels.

There's me thinking Scots don't push up with shi*te like this, don't accept youngsters being verbally abusive to someone who is doing their job, that the Scots don't just stand back and let terrorists try to blow up Glasgow airport, andthey don't sit back and give idiots who create FB pages inciting riots & damage to buildings and civil servants just a wee slap on the wrist.

I must have got that wrong then eh?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Snowball

There's me thinking Scots don't push up with shi*te like this, don't accept youngsters being verbally abusive to someone who is doing their job, that the Scots don't just stand back and let terrorists try to blow up Glasgow airport, andthey don't sit back and give idiots who create FB pages inciting riots & damage to buildings and civil servants just a wee slap on the wrist.

I must have got that wrong then eh?

Terrorists trying to blow up the airport and someone not having a train ticket are on 2 entirely different levels imo.

If the conductor had done his job properly in the first place we wouldnt even be having this discussion, and it's not about putting up with ****e it's about dealing with it properly.

I hope the guy that thought he was a big man gets done with assault.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

There's me thinking Scots don't push up with shi*te like this, don't accept youngsters being verbally abusive to someone who is doing their job, that the Scots don't just stand back and let terrorists try to blow up Glasgow airport, andthey don't sit back and give idiots who create FB pages inciting riots & damage to buildings and civil servants just a wee slap on the wrist.

I must have got that wrong then eh?

And scots also champion random assault do they?

This could...and should have been dealt with properly. Without some random thug throwing his weight around (and nearly squishing some poor woman and her kids ) and being applauded for it.

Not too sure how it is in scotland but I would think its the same as here...the conductor will have had his radio...could have called for security/police. But no. People think its ok for some random bloke to remove someone by force.

[Locke.]

Vicky I have a bit of a feeling you are a fellow bunker

[MTVN]

I don't really see what the fact that he's Scottish has to do with anything, it's just a coincidence, not like Scotland naturally has tougher train conductors or anything

[InOne]

A minor incident that probably happens all the time shouldn't have lead to assault. Is this the society we really want to live in?