[Urban Cragou]

How on earth is this any of this hijacking a thread? We have a thread on cannabis being legalised and obviously people are going to question the overall legalisation of cannabis (in fact, anything related to cannabis). Discussions are fluid.

[iRyan]

Thank you Dezzy for having the patience to deal with this ignorance. But there's two statements that really made me laugh that I just had to respond to:

Originally Posted by kizzy

You use cannabis with tobacco so the same risks apply...

No you don't. Only some people do, but you certainly do not need to mix them by any means.

Originally Posted by kizzy

Again, you have to smoke to use cannabis ...the risk of death is the same.

This is also false. I know many people, especially those in the medical marijuana community, who use marijuana but don't smoke it. You can feel the affects of marijuana just the same by ingesting it or by using a vaporizer - which extracts THC without any smoke, it's completely harmless.

I'm sorry but this just further demonstrates your ignorance on the topic.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by iRyan

Thank you Dezzy for having the patience to deal with this ignorance. But there's two statements that really made me laugh that I just had to respond to:



No you don't. Only some people do, but you certainly do not need to mix them by any means.



This is also false. I know many people, especially those in the medical marijuana community, who use marijuana but don't smoke it. You can feel the affects of marijuana just the same by ingesting it or by using a vaporizer - which extracts THC without any smoke, it's completely harmless.

I'm sorry but this just further demonstrates your ignorance on the topic.

I see because a staff member has a pop everyone gets a go?...*sigh*

Cannabinoids have the potential to cause pre-cancerous cells so whether there is nicotine is present or not the risk is there.
I have never said I opposed the prescribed form...
If you were not hellbent on insulting me you would have noticed this.
Anymore personal insults will be reported.

[Livia]

I know lots of people who smoke cannabis, and have done for a while, and hold down highly responsible jobs without a trace of psychosis or paranoia. Just like I know some people who can have a couple of glasses of wine and put the cork back in. Like drinking, most people are able to use cannabis recreationally without kicking the arse out ot it. Like drinking, some people cannot.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know lots of people who smoke cannabis, and have done for a while, and hold down highly responsible jobs without a trace of psychosis or paranoia. Just like I know some people who can have a couple of glasses of wine and put the cork back in. Like drinking, most people are able to use cannabis recreationally without kicking the arse out ot it. Like drinking, some people cannot.

That's exactly it Livia, some people just have addictive personalities but you can't ban everything because some people have no self control

[Kizzy]

But how would you know you had a predisposition to addiction or condition?
If it is legal it could encourage many more people to try it than would if it were an illegal substance.
As said there are already so many problems medically and socially associated with tobacco and alcohol, why throw cannabis in the mix?
The implications of long term recreational use are only just being recognised.
You still meet people that say ''smoking doesn't cause cancer my gran/ grandad/ uncle smoked all their lives and were fine''....
Because you are not affected personally doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by kizzy

But how would you know you had a predisposition to addiction or condition?
If it is legal it could encourage many more people to try it than would if it were an illegal substance.
As said there are already so many problems medically and socially associated with tobacco and alcohol, why throw cannabis in the mix?
The implications of long term recreational use are only just being recognised.
You still meet people that say ''smoking doesn't cause cancer my gran/ grandad/ uncle smoked all their lives and were fine''....
Because you are not affected personally doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

The thing about the bit in bold is that there're so many different developments and supposed new theories put forward by scientists and researchers, about what may and may not cause you cancer (the Daily Mail are famous for this ), that I (personally) kind of take it with a pinch of salt.

And I can see your point about legal cannabis being another problem to monitor but again, I just think it's already going to be a problem because some people (and the majority of people who would be interested in smoking it - let's face it, it's not really hard to get a hold of it ) smoke it with or without the state's permission.

[Stu]

The law against the substance does more damage than the substance itself. That's the bottom line. You can regulate cannabis and have a more controlled, safer drug create millions in tax to fund healthcare which will have a multitude of benefits, use all the fight on cannabis's resources to go after ... I dunno ... real crime [think of how many more baddies you could catch], stop giving thousands of young people a criminal record [I think this does more damage than smoking cannabis ... I mean I think ... and more people get it than get psychosis GEDDIT?!] ...

... all this and more. Man.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The thing about the bit in bold is that there're so many different developments and supposed new theories put forward by scientists and researchers, about what may and may not cause you cancer (the Daily Mail are famous for this ), that I (personally) kind of take it with a pinch of salt.

And I can see your point about legal cannabis being another problem to monitor but again, I just think it's already going to be a problem because some people (and the majority of people who would be interested in smoking it - let's face it, it's not really hard to get a hold of it ) smoke it with or without the state's permission.

Thankyou shaun! at last someone who can see further than the end of their nose haha!
I know there is scaremongering in the mail (boo hiss) and its crazy the silly things they tell you to avoid.
I wish I could post more links, (damn this mobile device) looking at them today (none from any media source) it seems an unusual move to legalise a drug thats effects are still being studies for long term effects...
Like you say those who did smoke it will continue to do so, legalising it won't make a difference to them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Stu

The law against the substance does more damage than the substance itself. That's the bottom line. You can regulate cannabis and have a more controlled, safer drug create millions in tax to fund healthcare which will have a multitude of benefits, use all the fight on cannabis's resources to go after ... I dunno ... real crime [think of how many more baddies you could catch], stop giving thousands of young people a criminal record [I think this does more damage than smoking cannabis ... I mean I think ... and more people get it than get psychosis GEDDIT?!] ...

... all this and more. Man.

No I don't 'geddit' if people used it prior to legalisation they will continue to use it....how is that tax enforceable?
They will be using and not being fined as its legal, therefore the state could end up losing money.

Posting cartoons? real mature man...

[Stu]

Jesus wept.

Tax revenue from commercially sold weed and money saved from ending the incredibly costly war on cannabis > the amount lost on giving fines to college dropouts.



There was other stuff in the post too. I'm convinced you're beyond logic though. Maybe that's why people are going after your opinion. Because they all disagree with you and agree with the smart money. Not because it's what Dezzy gone and done.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Stu

Jesus wept.

Tax revenue from commercially sold weed and money saved from ending the incredibly costly war on cannabis > the amount lost on giving fines to college dropouts.



There was other stuff in the post too. I'm convinced you're beyond logic though. Maybe that's why people are going after your opinion. Because they all disagree with you and agree with the smart money. Not because it's what Dezzy gone and done.

Oh,if we are going by your fuzzy logic then why don't we go the whole hog and legalise all drugs?
Plenty of dollar in tax from that too...Saves money locking dealers up?
I have my opinon stu, don't bust my balls coz you don't agree.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by kizzy

But how would you know you had a predisposition to addiction or condition?
If it is legal it could encourage many more people to try it than would if it were an illegal substance.
As said there are already so many problems medically and socially associated with tobacco and alcohol, why throw cannabis in the mix?
The implications of long term recreational use are only just being recognised.
You still meet people that say ''smoking doesn't cause cancer my gran/ grandad/ uncle smoked all their lives and were fine''....
Because you are not affected personally doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

You said it yourself. People are free to do whatever they want to do with their lives, not what you think is OK for them to do. In most cases, the only people cannabis smokers are hurting are themselves - not you or anyone else - themselves (and comparatively little hurt). It's not your business so what exactly is your problem?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Redway

You said it yourself. People are free to do whatever they want to do with their lives, not what you think is OK for them to do. In most cases, the only people cannabis smokers are hurting are themselves - not you or anyone else - themselves (and comparatively little hurt). It's not your business so what exactly is your problem?

I don't have a problem redway, this is a thread on an internet forum i'm just commenting on the OP.
Personal comment removed

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I don't have a problem redway, this is a thread on an internet forum i'm just commenting on the OP.
Personal comment removed

Ignoring that ridiculous final point, you obviously do have a problem with cannabis and all people want to know is why - but you haven't bothered to take on account of other people's views and continued posting the same thing as if none of this had happened. I'd have better luck talking to a brick wall, though. I don't know how else to explain.

[the truth]

Im just not interested in drugs or smoking tobacco of any kind...Booze is also totally over-rated, why cant people just enjoy life without the need for all these endless stimulants? People hide behind drink and drugs and use it as an excuse to behave in totally ignorant ways, scared to dare air their views sober, always with the pitifully self defence, oh I was drunk or high, so I didnt really be to be so physically or verbally abusive. It is no self defence imho for anything. I find it utterly pathetic.

[Kizzy]

I do drink alcohol yes so i'm not that holy.
Reporting all the personal comments aimed at me too,
And I still don't believe cannabis should be legalised.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Redway

Ignoring that ridiculous final point, you obviously do have a problem with cannabis and all people want to know is why - but you haven't bothered to take on account of other people's views and continued posting the same thing as if none of this had happened. I'd have better luck talking to a brick wall, though. I don't know how else to explain.

Yes I do have a problem with it being legalised that's why I commented in this thread initially. I feel I've given lots of reasons why redway, read back through the thread they are there.
I know people are entitled to their view, I never said they wasn't.
I can't post links atm so it's a little difficult to further prove anything from my perspective.
Am I crazy to suggest members respect my right to disagree on this?..

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Ignoring that ridiculous final point, you obviously do have a problem with cannabis and all people want to know is why - but you haven't bothered to take on account of other people's views and continued posting the same thing as if none of this had happened. I'd have better luck talking to a brick wall, though. I don't know how else to explain.

he has stated reasons in fairness

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Yes I do have a problem with it being legalised that's why I commented in this thread initially. I feel I've given lots of reasons why redway, read back through the thread they are there.
I know people are entitled to their view, I never said they wasn't.
I can't post links atm so it's a little difficult to further prove anything from my perspective.
Am I crazy to suggest members respect my right to disagree on this?..

You don't need to - a plethora of links have already been posted to completely contradict and debase your "argument". I refer you to the second page of this thread, where Ammi did all that.

You're entitled to disagree but under absolutely no circumstances is anyone obliged to respect it. As people have said before, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about so why should people respect this?

[joeysteele]

From weighing up the plus and minus to the argument of legalising cannabis,seeing both sides of it too where it has massively helped with the pain of some people with cancer but also the paranoia it can cause too in some people, not all.

I take the view if I was asked in a poll, or was a lawmaker of the UK then I would vote for it to be legalised.
Never touched it myself and never likely to but I again go with Livia's posts in the main.
She makes a perfectly strong point as to people maybe moderately taking cannabis and still being able to go on doing their jobs and functioning well without harming anyone else either at all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Redway

You don't need to - a plethora of links have already been posted to completely contradict and debase your "argument". I refer you to the second page of this thread, where Ammi did all that.

You're entitled to disagree but under absolutely no circumstances is anyone obliged to respect it. As people have said before, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about so why should people respect this?

Ammis links had ''arguments'' why alcohol is worse than cannabis.
And it may be...
It does not however automatically mean that cannabis should be legalised...
I didn't ask people to respect me or my view...just my right to a view....

[the truth]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...der-drugs.html

loads of proof it does lead to harder drugs and a collapse in work ethic too

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Ammis links had ''arguments'' why alcohol is worse than cannabis.
And it may be...
It does not however automatically mean that cannabis should be legalised...
I didn't ask people to respect me or my view...just my right to a view....

Yes it does. Why keep something more dangerous than what you want to ban? It doesn't make any sense.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by the truth

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...der-drugs.html

loads of proof it does lead to harder drugs and a collapse in work ethic too

Alcohol can lead to alcoholism. What does that tell you?

Originally Posted by kizzy

Ammis links had ''arguments'' why alcohol is worse than cannabis.
And it may be...
It does not however automatically mean that cannabis should be legalised...
I didn't ask people to respect me or my view...just my right to a view....

Originally Posted by kizzy

Yes I do have a problem with it being legalised that's why I commented in this thread initially. I feel I've given lots of reasons why redway, read back through the thread they are there.
I know people are entitled to their view, I never said they wasn't.
I can't post links atm so it's a little difficult to further prove anything from my perspective.
Am I crazy to suggest members respect my right to disagree on this?..

Oh dear.