[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I did ask for it to be reopened as it had in my absence descended into the usual off topic rants.
I didn't ask for it to be removed of all opinion that countered my own, which appears to be what's happened, I do want it to be left open thanks.

Any posts been removed were done so because they contained arguing, sniping and offensive comments.

Back on topic now please.

[Kizzy]

A petition calling for the sacking of a newspaper columnist for comments she made about migrants crossing the Mediterranean has attracted about 250,000 signatures - but one calling for a rescue mission has attracted less support.
Katie Hopkins' screed against migrants - in an article in the 17 April edition of The Sun she called them "cockroaches" and advocated using gunships to stop people crossing the Mediterranean - has earned her a quarter of a million detractors calling for her to be sacked on petition site Change.org.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-32395272

A campaign calling for a rescue mission for migrants crossing the Mediterranean has eclipsed the push to oust newspaper columnist Katie Hopkins on a popular online petition site.
On Tuesday, Trending reported on the petition calling for The Sun newspaper to sack columnist Katie Hopkins for her comments about migrants. More than 250,000 people had put their names to that cause, and we noted that another petition - this one calling for an emergency EU mission to the Mediterranean - was only receiving a fraction of the support.
The tables have now turned. Tareke Brahne's call to "Stop the deaths at sea now!" eclipsed the anti-Hopkins petition early Wednesday UK time and had more than 280,000 supporters as of writing. Brahne, a migrant from Eritrea now living in Italy, is caling on the European Union to "restore a robust operation of search and rescue at sea."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-32414321

The tables are turning....

[arista]

"The tables are turning."


I am sure her team are aware of all this
see how far it goes?

[Iceman]

Seriously you all need to give it a rest. I'm sick to my back teeth seeing you all try to get one up on each other. Children aren't this bad. Take this as a final warning. Bans are next.

[Kizzy]

Brands view

Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Brands view

Youtube video

I think Hopkins and Brand should just have some sort of deathmatch. Brand is an ex-junkie but he's all love and peace these days... and Hopkins is hard as nails in theory but, as we learned from Big Brother, rather soft in person... I reckon it could get messy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Brands view

Youtube video

I just love Russell, i agree with almost everything he says, could listen to him all day long. Spot on again in that video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just love Russell, i agree with almost everything he says, could listen to him all day long. Spot on again in that video

I do think he has Katie Hopkins spot on really. She is a tormented individual in pain and she feels the need to lash out with that pain at other people... and it's policy and the horrible opinions of other people that gives her targets. It just happens to have made her a lot of money. If any evidence is needed of this, just rewatch her in CBB. The woman has to fight back tears if anyone says anything even passably nice about her. That is really not normal...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do think he has Katie Hopkins spot on really. She is a tormented individual in pain and she feels the need to lash out with that pain at other people... and it's policy and the horrible opinions of other people that gives her targets. It just happens to have made her a lot of money. If any evidence is needed of this, just rewatch her in CBB. The woman has to fight back tears if anyone says anything even passably nice about her. That is really not normal...

I actually didn't believe that at all. To me it seemed very much part of her act

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just love Russell, i agree with almost everything he says, could listen to him all day long. Spot on again in that video

Yeah, hes a bit of a tit, but his politics stuff is completely spot on. Hes apparently got a film coming out where hes basically harassing the tax avoiding people. I will be watching

All of his profits from his last book went into setting up a soup kitchen/restaurant type thing where he employs loads of people who wouldnt get work otherwise (homeless, ex addicts and such). I saw it on the jonathon ross show a while back....his reasoning was whats the point in a rich person just getting richer (on about himself) because of the book...so thats why he did it. I just love him. We could do with more people like him about tbh.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, hes a bit of a tit, but his politics stuff is completely spot on. Hes apparently got a film coming out where hes basically harassing the tax avoiding people. I will be watching

All of his profits from his last book went into setting up a soup kitchen/restaurant type thing where he employs loads of people who wouldnt get work otherwise (homeless, ex addicts and such). I saw it on the jonathon ross show a while back....his reasoning was whats the point in a rich person just getting richer (on about himself) because of the book...so thats why he did it. I just love him. We could do with more people like him about tbh.

I did not like him at all - especially his abhorrent stunt with poor 'Manuel' - but I have warmed to him now because I now think that he is sincere and that's what matters to me. He's not doing all this 'Crusading' to boost his own popularity and hence 'Marquee Value'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, hes a bit of a tit, but his politics stuff is completely spot on. Hes apparently got a film coming out where hes basically harassing the tax avoiding people. I will be watching

All of his profits from his last book went into setting up a soup kitchen/restaurant type thing where he employs loads of people who wouldnt get work otherwise (homeless, ex addicts and such). I saw it on the jonathon ross show a while back....his reasoning was whats the point in a rich person just getting richer (on about himself) because of the book...so thats why he did it. I just love him. We could do with more people like him about tbh.

Oh yeah I saw that interview as well, can't wait to see the film as well.

[Kizzy]

Two hundred black body bags were lined up on Brighton beach by campaigners highlighting Britain’s “shameful” response to the migrant crisis in the Mediterranean.

Amnesty supporters zipped themselves into some of the body bags alongside a banner displaying the hashtag #DontLetThemDrown.

A campaigner then laid a wreath in the middle of the mass of bodies as they lay sprawled on the beach in front of the Brighton Wheel.

The stunt was staged as European leaders come under mounting pressure to agree a plan to stem the rising number of migrants killed trying to reach Europe for a better life.

Amnesty’s UK director, Kate Allen, said: “Until now, the British government’s response has been shameful but finally foreign ministers seem to be waking up to the need to act. EU governments must now urgently turn their rhetoric into action to stop more people drowning on their way to Europe.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...migrant-crisis

[Kazanne]

I think there is a petition now for KH to keep her job and be allowed her freedom of speech.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think there is a petition now for KH to keep her job and be allowed her freedom of speech.

As I said earlier, she hasn't been denied her freedom of speech. She has twitter, she can even set up her own website and post these things if she want. Freely available for everyone to see... freedom of speech NOT affected in any way.

Whether or not her opinions should be featured in a mainstream publication with massive readership and influence isn't a freedom of speech issue at all.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think there is a petition now for KH to keep her job and be allowed her freedom of speech.

She should of course be allowed her freedom of speech which would not be taken from her anyway but the platform from which she spouts her **** from could (and should IMO) be removed. She would still have her twitter etc from which to vent

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think there is a petition now for KH to keep her job and be allowed her freedom of speech.

mmm the freedom to refer to other human beings as cockroaches, yay for her

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think there is a petition now for KH to keep her job and be allowed her freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

[Vanessa]

If she's on BOTS i will not watch the show. I can't stand her!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Josy

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

Very true, freedom of speech (and freedom of the press, which is again slightly different) is supposed to be about being able to speak out against the government or against authority in general without fear of persecution.

Somehow it's been taken and twisted into this form where it means that d-list celebrities are allowed to incite racial hatred and engage in vicious stereotyping without any sort of consequence. An utter mess, really.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

That is a point really well made. I agree 100%.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Freedom of speech and hate speech are two completely different things. Pity more don't realise it.

Well hate speech is in law so if she is guilty why has no one prosecuted her?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well hate speech is in law so if she is guilty why has no one prosecuted her?

Because she's An Celebrity. If this was some average chav on Facebook, they would have been arrested by now.

[MTVN]

Don't agree with Brand at all that Hopkins is espousing established policy. He doesn't even say what he mean by that in fact he just starts comparing her to Himmler. It might be valid to compare her rhetoric with that of the Nazis but the Nazis aren't exactly established policy anymore are they. Our politicians are actually all united in the need to do more to tackle this problem, most of them in favour of a European wide or a worldwide solution. It's an incredibly complicated issue though and there is no simple remedy however much Brand thinks we can solve all the worlds problems by making "individual transitions" to "find your own humanity". Him making out that her views are representative of mainstream society and established policy, rather than purely representing Hopkins insatiable need to satisfy her own ego with media converage, is just as stupid as her being allowed a column in the most popular national newspaper.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Don't agree with Brand at all that Hopkins is espousing established policy. He doesn't even say what he mean by that in fact he just starts comparing her to Himmler. It might be valid to compare her rhetoric with that of the Nazis but the Nazis aren't exactly established policy anymore are they. Our politicians are actually all united in the need to do more to tackle this problem, most of them in favour of a European wide or a worldwide solution. It's an incredibly complicated issue though and there is no simple remedy however much Brand thinks we can solve all the worlds problems by making "individual transitions" to "find your own humanity".

He is joking


I used the N word
against a statement /member
and got a infraction - I am not Fighting That


So good job Brand is not on here
as he would not last long