[arista]

[arista]

James what have you done with the Brexit thread?

[joeysteele]

He and the government should be looking to get much closer to the EU.
I think it would do him the world of good.

It certainly couldn't I'd guess make things worse.

It's ridiculous that after leaving the EU, that all this time on, we still haven't achieved an anywhere right deal.
So I hope he has repaired or is repairing that wrong damage done by Brexit.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He and the government should be looking to get much closer to the EU.
I think it would do him the world of good.

It certainly couldn't I'd guess make things worse.

It's ridiculous that after leaving the EU, that all this time on, we still haven't achieved an anywhere right deal.
So I hope he has repaired or is repairing that wrong damage done by Brexit.

Yes we had a Public Vote.
It was legit we left

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes we had a Public Vote.
It was legit we left

I'm fully aware we voted to leave.
Plus it was a legitimate vote to leave.

However HOW to leave was much more open.

Plus one of the main elements of real democracy is that people CAN change their minds and things can then be altered or changed completely.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm fully aware we voted to leave.
Plus it was a legitimate vote to leave.

However HOW to leave was much more open.

Plus one of the main elements of real democracy is that people CAN change their minds and things can then be altered or changed completely.

PM Starmer is scared of another Referendum

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

PM Starmer is scared of another Referendum

There shouldn't need to be a referendum to now he part of the single market again.

That question was not asked in the referendum.
However I have a feeling, a good number of those who voted leave nearly 9 years ago
They'd be very worried about another referendum on the EU.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He and the government should be looking to get much closer to the EU.
I think it would do him the world of good.

It certainly couldn't I'd guess make things worse.

It's ridiculous that after leaving the EU, that all this time on, we still haven't achieved an anywhere right deal.
So I hope he has repaired or is repairing that wrong damage done by Brexit.

Yeah, he 1should defy the will of the people and become an outright dictator.

Big up' the elites that are better than us little people.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He and the government should be looking to get much closer to the EU.
I think it would do him the world of good.

It certainly couldn't I'd guess make things worse.

It's ridiculous that after leaving the EU, that all this time on, we still haven't achieved an anywhere right deal.
So I hope he has repaired or is repairing that wrong damage done by Brexit.

Part of the blame for that has to go to the EU. Don't you remember their appalling behaviour toward Theresa May? They were like a bunch of schoolboys. I was no fan of May but I felt for her during that last trip to Brussels, where no one would talk to her, no one would look at her, even.

Kier Starmer was always going to do this. The fishermen are hopping mad, watching their livelihoods being handed over to foreign fishermen. This is just dragging us back into the EU by stealth. This is the first step. People will not forget this and they will not forget Kier.

This shows that a democratic vote means nothing - nothing - to Labour.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Part of the blame for that has to go to the EU. Don't you remember their appalling behaviour toward Theresa May? They were like a bunch of schoolboys. I was no fan of May but I felt for her during that last trip to Brussels, where no one would talk to her, no one would look at her, even.

Kier Starmer was always going to do this. The fishermen are hopping mad, watching their livelihoods being handed over to foreign fishermen. This is just dragging us back into the EU by stealth. This is the first step. People will not forget this and they will not forget Kier.

This shows that a democratic vote means nothing - nothing - to Labour.

I have to disagree.
This may had he gone further done Starmer some good.

Plus not ALL in the fishing industry are hopping mad at all.
While most admittedly are not happy with the 12 year scenario, for some on certain elements of the fishing industry, there's greater opportunities again as to trading with the EU.
Which they welcome.

Of course it's not taking the UK back into the EU, (in my view unfortunately).
That's just Reform moaning like what Farage was blowing out in the original EU referendum.

Actually I never thought we should leave anyhow, I would definitely vote to go back in given the chance and I also think the majority now would do so too.
We can't know that for certain but I'd be far less worried about a new vote now than I was in 2016 on the issue.
That comes from just talking to people who voted leave and however now would vote to go back OR not vote at all.
Most of younger people who can now vote that I know of and in my own family too, also think we should be much closer to the EU.
Far moreso than towards the USA at present too.

As for Theresa May, she was sidelined ignorantly from the EU representatives which was not at all nice to watch I agree.
That however fades rather in comparison with the crushingly, humiliatingly hard time HER own Party gave her publicly in parliament over her Brexit proposals
With Johnson the ringleader working hard against her on the backbenches, just to further HIS own career.
(Plus the venom from Farage and his UKIP Mk1 to the current MK3 Party against the EU officials and even from some in the Conservative Party, who also were equally ignorant).

Had the Conservative government negotiated a much better deal all round in the first place, then little to no further alterations may not have been necessary.

I'm actually personally disappointed in that Starmer and Labour haven't gone further in this deal.
I'm more with the LibDems and Greens on this that we SHOULD move much closer to the EU and go even as far as rejoining too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have to disagree.
This may had he gone further done Starmer some good.

Plus not ALL in the fishing industry are hopping mad at all.
While most admittedly are not happy with the 12 year scenario, for some on certain elements of the fishing industry, there's greater opportunities again as to trading with the EU.
Which they welcome.

Of course it's not taking the UK back into the EU, (in my view unfortunately).
That's just Reform moaning like what Farage was blowing out in the original EU referendum.

Actually I never thought we should leave anyhow, I would definitely vote to go back in given the chance and I also think the majority now would do so too.
We can't know that for certain but I'd be far less worried about a new vote now than I was in 2016 on the issue.
That comes from just talking to people who voted leave and however now would vote to go back OR not vote at all.
Most of younger people who can now vote that I know of and in my own family too, also think we should be much closer to the EU.
Far moreso than towards the USA at present too.

As for Theresa May, she was sidelined ignorantly from the EU representatives which was not at all nice to watch I agree.
That however fades rather in comparison with the crushingly, humiliatingly hard time HER own Party gave her publicly in parliament over her Brexit proposals
With Johnson the ringleader working hard against her on the backbenches, just to further HIS own career.
(Plus the venom from Farage and his UKIP Mk1 to the current MK3 Party against the EU officials and even from some in the Conservative Party, who also were equally ignorant).

Had the Conservative government negotiated a much better deal all round in the first place, then little to no further alterations may not have been necessary.

I'm actually personally disappointed in that Starmer and Labour haven't gone further in this deal.
I'm more with the LibDems and Greens on this that we SHOULD move much closer to the EU and go even as far as rejoining too.

Totally disagree with the vast majority of that Joey. But naturally respect your point of view.

[bots]

there are many ways we can improve trade and cooperation with europe without rejoining the EU. This all needed time for the people that were involved in brexit to move on (from both sides) so that there can be sensible dialog. We also have a very changed world compared to the time of the brexit vote. The UK need the other countries in europe for our own security and reliable trade. It's much easier to disrupt trade with India and Australia than it is to disrupt trade across the channel

[arista]

[MTVN]

The governments red lines are no return to the single market, customs union or freedom of movement so there won't be any change there. The main thing on trade is expected to be an agreement to ease the movement of food and plant products which will be important to a lot of people but won't make much difference to the country as a whole. It will also likely mean aligning with the EU's regulations which won't be very popular with everyone

[arista]

Live Debate on LBC now

[arista]

[arista]

Minister Nick Thomas-Symonds
Speaking live says a deal with the EU is close
we will find out tomorrow Monday 19th.


He hopes it will be signed.............


The above posted on the Trevor Phillips thread.
(today only, 7:30AM start on SkyNewsHD)

Also stating....

Nick says some Lorries for supermarkets
are stuck for 16 hours
food rotting in them.

[arista]

PM Starmer Brexit Summit Reset Monday 19/May/2025
Central London.

We find out what PM Starmer asks for........

[arista]

The Original Brexit thread started in 4/4/2015
(Sadly no longer a sticky)
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...endum&page=279

[arista]

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[The paper reports Brussels officials risk
"collapsing" Starmer's reset,
and that the EU's fishing demands
were the reason talks continued
"late into the night" before the meeting.]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

PM Starmer now Live


PM Starmer and EU folk
Live


All News TV

[arista]

Taking press questions
on SkyNewsHD