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Originally Posted by Livia

Part of the blame for that has to go to the EU. Don't you remember their appalling behaviour toward Theresa May? They were like a bunch of schoolboys. I was no fan of May but I felt for her during that last trip to Brussels, where no one would talk to her, no one would look at her, even.

Kier Starmer was always going to do this. The fishermen are hopping mad, watching their livelihoods being handed over to foreign fishermen. This is just dragging us back into the EU by stealth. This is the first step. People will not forget this and they will not forget Kier.

This shows that a democratic vote means nothing - nothing - to Labour.

I have to disagree.
This may had he gone further done Starmer some good.

Plus not ALL in the fishing industry are hopping mad at all.
While most admittedly are not happy with the 12 year scenario, for some on certain elements of the fishing industry, there's greater opportunities again as to trading with the EU.
Which they welcome.

Of course it's not taking the UK back into the EU, (in my view unfortunately).
That's just Reform moaning like what Farage was blowing out in the original EU referendum.

Actually I never thought we should leave anyhow, I would definitely vote to go back in given the chance and I also think the majority now would do so too.
We can't know that for certain but I'd be far less worried about a new vote now than I was in 2016 on the issue.
That comes from just talking to people who voted leave and however now would vote to go back OR not vote at all.
Most of younger people who can now vote that I know of and in my own family too, also think we should be much closer to the EU.
Far moreso than towards the USA at present too.

As for Theresa May, she was sidelined ignorantly from the EU representatives which was not at all nice to watch I agree.
That however fades rather in comparison with the crushingly, humiliatingly hard time HER own Party gave her publicly in parliament over her Brexit proposals
With Johnson the ringleader working hard against her on the backbenches, just to further HIS own career.
(Plus the venom from Farage and his UKIP Mk1 to the current MK3 Party against the EU officials and even from some in the Conservative Party, who also were equally ignorant).

Had the Conservative government negotiated a much better deal all round in the first place, then little to no further alterations may not have been necessary.

I'm actually personally disappointed in that Starmer and Labour haven't gone further in this deal.
I'm more with the LibDems and Greens on this that we SHOULD move much closer to the EU and go even as far as rejoining too.