[Beso]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...sUWJgVYcB77yLQ

[AnnieK]

The problem is if abortion were outlawed, it would still happen. There would be back street abortions again by unqualified "physicians" leadinh to far more deaths and if performed at a later stage, undue suffering to foetus'.

[Beso]

So again we bow down to the criminals of society.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So again we bow down to the criminals of society.

i will never bow to criminals

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So again we bow down to the criminals of society.

wow women are criminals now for having abortions bloody hell.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

wow women are criminals now for having abortions bloody hell.

Not sure how you read that into what i posted...it clearly meant the backstreet abortionists.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Not sure how you read that into what i posted...it clearly meant the backstreet abortionists.

Oh my apologies then for misunderstanding your post. It's very tense over here at the moment to do with the subject as the referendum is so close. It's a very emotive topic, I can't wait till it's over tbh, I was hoping that no one would post a thread on here about it actually, it was the one place that was referendum free

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do women have abortions?

Most respondents to a survey of abortion patients in 1987 said that more than one factor had contributed to their decision to have an abortion; the mean number of reasons was nearly four. Three-quarters said that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities, about two-thirds said they could not afford to have a child and half said they did not want to be a single parent or had relationship problems. A multivariate analysis showed young teenagers to be 32 percent more likely than women 18 or over to say they were not mature enough to raise a child and 19 percent more likely to say their parents wanted them to have an abortion. Unmarried women were 17 percent more likely than currently married women to choose abortion to prevent others from knowing they had had sex or became pregnant. Of women who had an abortion at 16 or more weeks' gestation, 71 percent attributed their delay to not having realized they were pregnant or not having known soon enough the actual gestation of their pregnancy. Almost half were delayed because of trouble in arranging the abortion, usually because they needed time to raise money. One-third did not have an abortion earlier because they were afraid to tell their partner or parents that they were pregnant. A multivariate analysis revealed that respondents under age 18 were 39 percent more likely than older women to have delayed because they were afraid to tell their parents or partner.

Its an old USA study but none the less..

Fam Plann Perspect. 1988 Jul-Aug;20(4):169-76. - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3243347

[Niamh.]

it's 12 weeks unrestricted being proposed in our Referendum which is what the thread is about, just want to prevent some confusion on the issue LT which posts like yours are doing.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

it's 12 weeks unrestricted being proposed in our Referendum which is what the thread is about, just want to prevent some confusion on the issue LT which posts like yours are doing.

I was under the impression that it was 26 weeks until I read your post and there is a gulf of difference between 12 and 26 weeks.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I was under the impression that it was 26 weeks until I read your post and there is a gulf of difference between 12 and 26 weeks.

It's 12 weeks unrestricted, and later for medical reasons/if the mothers life is in danger etc. There's alot of misinformation being put about, dirty tactics

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's 12 weeks unrestricted, and later for medical reasons/if the mothers life is in danger etc. There's alot of misinformation being put about, dirty tactics

I agree about the 'Dirty Tactics', Niamh. I also agree that 'Medical' reasons justify later termination but there are a lot of cases where abortion is definitely used by promiscuous careless women as a 'Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free' card and it is these cases that need greater scrutiny. .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I agree about the 'Dirty Tactics', Niamh. I also agree that 'Medical' reasons justify later termination.

I think it's a good proposal as well

[Crimson Dynamo]

what are the main arguments against?

religion?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what are the main arguments against?

religion?

Some come from religion I'd imagine, although I haven't actually heard anyone say "I'm voting No because of my Religion" if you get what I mean. Like I know one person in particular who is voting No and I know they're not religious.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The lateness..6 months really shocked me.

But the idea of abortion for anything other than health/rape reasons disgusts me.

You can't have late term abortions unless it's for medical reasons.

Unless science develops a way for men to carry babies to term, I don't think it's our place to oppose abortion. It's a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.

[Tom4784]

If men did have to go through pregnancy though, abortion would have been legal everywhere as soon as it became a thing

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You can't have late term abortions unless it's for medical reasons.

Unless science develops a way for men to carry babies to term, I don't think it's our place to oppose abortion. It's a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.

Thank you. It's funny though, my father is a No supporter (eventhough he's on holiday so can't vote anyway ) He also left my mother to pretty much be a single parent to us 4 kids (eventhough they were married), so Pro Birth but who cares what happens after, someone else will look after them. Luckily though his attitudes haven't rubbed off on my 3 brothers who are all voting Yes and support the women in their lives

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Thank you. It's funny though, my father is a No supporter (eventhough he's on holiday so can't vote anyway ) He also left my mother to pretty much be a single parent to us 4 kids (eventhough they were married), so Pro Birth but who cares what happens after, someone else will look after them. Luckily though his attitudes haven't rubbed off on my 3 brothers who are all voting Yes and support the women in their lives

It's an all too common attitude with a lot of pro-lifers, they place so much value on the pregnancy but nary a thought on what comes after.

[Cherie]

My problem with abortion is for those who use it as a form of contraception, other than that for up to 12 weeks fine, anything after that other than for medical reasons is very iffy

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's an all too common attitude with a lot of pro-lifers, they place so much value on the pregnancy but nary a thought on what comes after.

Indeed. Alot of whom are first in line to complain about single mothers making
future criminals and taking money to raise those kids from the state funnily enough

[Cherie]

Also the rate of abortions required should be going down given the ready availability of free contraception and the morning after pill, which I know isn't free but costs a hell of a lot less than an abortion, and if you know your cycle you will know when it is needed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My problem with abortion is for those who use it as a form of contraception, other than that for up to 12 weeks fine, anything after that other than for medical reasons is very iffy

I'm not sure if you've ever known anyone who's had an abortion Cherie but I've known a couple, it's not a nice thing to go through mentally or physically. I really don't think that people set out to use it as a form of contraception or if they do are very common at all. But I do agree that the proposed terms they've set out seem pretty reasonable

[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought it a little sensationalist of the t-shock chap to mention rape as the numbers of pregnancies from that mist be microscopic in comparison?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Also the rate of abortions required should be going down given the ready availability of free contraception and the morning after pill, which I know isn't free but costs a hell of a lot less than an abortion, and if you know your cycle you will know when it is needed.

Free contraception should definitely be campaigned for imo