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Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

He got a crack pipe tatoo with the words I love crack, but it's all right it's on his back.

Young black kids are shooting each other on the streets in a this country and yet you can't see the link of a young blank man with gun tattoo who is in the public eye.

So would it be ok if he were a white footballer with a gun tattoo?

Tom4784 · 29-05-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

So would it be ok if he were a white footballer with a gun tattoo?

It honestly probably would be tbh.

Tom4784 · 29-05-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

He got a crack pipe tatoo with the words I love crack, but it's all right it's on his back.

Young black kids are shooting each other on the streets in a this country and yet you can't see the link of a young blank man with gun tattoo who is in the public eye.

There is no link, it's a tattoo. It cannot influence anyone to do anything.

thesheriff443 · 29-05-2018, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

So would it be ok if he were a white footballer with a gun tattoo?

The same applies,

Kids are getting groomed
Kids getting recruited by extremists
Kids drawn into drugs

Sports stars get paid millions to wear clothes and shoes because kids will see them wearing it and want to have the same because they think that person is cool.

So having a gun tatoo will have some kids believe that guns are cool.

Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 03:14 PM

Yeah seeing a footballer with a gun tattoo is a gateway to being groomed by extremists

thesheriff443 · 29-05-2018, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

There is no link, it's a tattoo. It cannot influence anyone to do anything.

So every time David beckham changed his hair style kids didn't ask for his new hair style.

Yeah no leak between kids wanting to be like pop stars movie stars or sports star.

Tom4784 · 29-05-2018, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

So every time David beckham changed his hair style kids didn't ask for his new hair style.

Yeah no leak between kids wanting to be like pop stars movie stars or sports star.

Bit of a difference between influencing fashion and influencing violence and extremism tbh.

Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 03:15 PM

Also, it's illegal to get a tattoo when you're a child anyway so they can't really copy that

Cherie · 29-05-2018, 03:16 PM

Nobody would be any the wiser if it hadn't been reported and then turned into a huge deal, watch him on the pitch can you see the tattoo?

thesheriff443 · 29-05-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah seeing a footballer with a gun tattoo is a gateway to being groomed by extremists

Well that's what's happening
Like the footballer who gave the girl a football shirt and was then molesting her in his rang rover.

Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody would be any the wiser if it hadn't been reported and then turned into a huge deal, watch him on the pitch can you see the tattoo?

Exactly, all these "outraged people" are the ones who made it into something

thesheriff443 · 29-05-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a difference between influencing fashion and influencing violence and extremism tbh.

There is a difference but it happens in both cases.

Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Well that's what's happening
Like the footballer who gave the girl a football shirt and was then molesting her in his rang rover.

How are these things even remotely similar?

Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 03:20 PM

Unless you're suggesting Raheem Sterling is using his Tattoo to recruit people to ISIS or something? i don't know

kirklancaster · 29-05-2018, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

His reasons are his own, it doesn't really matter whether you think it's a stupid reason, it's his tattoo, his body and his reasoning.

Do you know no limits of hypocrisy?

By your reasoning above Tommy Robinson's reasons for being on the street outside the Court in Leeds are his own - it being his life, his choice, his video camera, and his reasoning' - and your opinion of why he was there "doesn't really matter".

Further; this a Serious Debates forum of which I am a member so unless you now actually own it besides just acting as if you do, then I have as much rights as you or any other member to express my opinions - one of which is that this footballer's reason for having the tattoo is STUPID.

Or is this yet another example of your duplicity; that you can crow about Human Rights, Civil Liberties and Equality when it suits your politics and your views but not when someone has the temerity to post an opinion or facts which do not align with your own?

bots · 29-05-2018, 03:27 PM

The issue that I have is that he is a representative of England, not just himself. My understanding is that it is a recent tattoo as it hasn't been finished yet. Given that he has been an "adult" for some time, why did he choose to get it done immediately prior to the world cup when he will have the biggest audience. It's all fine and well to say he can wear a sock to cover it up, but now everyone knows he has it and won't give a crap on his reasoning for it. It's clearly a thought out ploy .... why?

Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Do you know no limits of hypocrisy?

By your reasoning above Tommy Robinson's reasons for being on the street outside the Court in Leeds are his own - it being his life, his choice, his video camera, and his reasoning' - and your opinion of why he was "there doesn't really matter".

Further; this a Serious Debates forum of which I am a member so unless you now actually own it besides just acting as if you do, then I have as much rights as you or any other member to express my opinions - one of which is that this footballer's reason for having the tattoo is STUPID.

Or is this yet another example of your duplicity; that you can crow about Human Rights, Civil Liberties and Equality when it suits your politics and your views but not when someone has the temerity to post an opinion or facts which do not align with your own?

That the Tommy Robinson stuff and a footballers tattoos are in anyway similar is one of the most bizarre stretches I've heard here yet

kirklancaster · 29-05-2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

That the Tommy Robinson stuff and a footballers tattoos are in anyway similar is one of the most bizarre stretches I've heard here yet

Not at all, Niamh.

I do not care about this footballer's tattoo as I have already said several times, I do think though that the reason he gave for having it is ridiculous and makes no sense.

I am expressing my opinion on that.

Dezzy does not believe the reason that Robinson gave as to why he was streaming outside that court and he expressed his opinion on that.

What is the difference?

The topics may be different but is it OK for one member to express an opinion doubting motive but not another member to do so?

Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not at all, Niamh.

I do not care about this footballer's tattoo as I have already said several times, I do think though that the reason he gave for having it is ridiculous and makes no sense.

I am expressing my opinion on that.

Dezzy does not believe the reason that Robinson gave as to why he was streaming outside that court and he expressed his opinion on that.

What is the difference?

The topics may be different but is it OK for one member to express an opinion doubting motive but not another member to do so?

There's a massive difference, one is someones reason for choosing a tattoo, the other is following around Muslims constantly to prove how bad they are, one is in prison, the other is a professional athlete

kirklancaster · 29-05-2018, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's a massive difference, one is someones reason for choosing a tattoo, the other is following around Muslims constantly to prove how bad they are, one is in prison, the other is a professional athlete

OK - No problem, you can not see my point, Niamh, but I stand by it.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-05-2018, 04:04 PM

Would a picture of his father not have been a better idea than the thing that killed him?

thesheriff443 · 29-05-2018, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Would a picture of his father not have been a better idea than the thing that killed him?

If his mum gets run over by a lorry you know what's going on his other leg? Asda

Vladimir · 29-05-2018, 05:10 PM

This is ridiculous just like most of the articles about him the past few years. No one bothers to mention his donations to Jamaican schools or his community work but whatever.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-05-2018, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

This is ridiculous just like most of the articles about him the past few years. No one bothers to mention his donations to Jamaican schools or his community work but whatever.

incredibly rich guy with masses of spare time donates money shock and does stuff for the club who pays him?

oh wow