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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where have I blamed the right for everything Trump does? I don't see it in this thread so point it out to me. You're the one that paints in broad brush strokes.

Ah, so now you're saying I'm listening to preferred sources, go back a few pages and see that I linked to a DAILY MAIL article which highlighted the child abuse going on. When even the Daily Mail opposes a method of Immigration control, you know it's ****ed.

I can vouch for common sense, if you think thousands of gang members are being smuggled in through children to such an extent it warrants the mass ripping apart of families then I don' know what to say. It's all just an excuse for Trump to hold children hostage so he can put pressure to get his wall.

As for your last paragraphs, if you actually researched the topic for five minutes you would understand what I mean by child abuse. It's not some indivudual that can be charged, the system ITSELF as it stands is child abuse. Honestly, you should look into it, you might actually understand what we're debating then.

And that was what I was getting at - were you trying to say individual staff at the centre were abusing the children which would have been truly shocking - or saying the act of removing them from their parents was in itself child abuse. I think your use of the word is typical and don’t think it is as clear-cut as that.

Separating very young children from their parents is hard but they would be cared for well and they may be better than the adult centres. It may well be a safety issue to protect the children. We don’t know the exact reasons but you of course will very willingly believe anything Trump is responsible for is the worst of the worst. How long are they separated for? Are the parents allowed to see them on a daily basis - when you get to the nitty gritty of these things they are rarely as bad as those with an agenda are trying to make out.