[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

It's possible to show authority without hitting them (the same as it is with kids)

Of course it is. The most confusing thing is people who think it's fine to hit a child but evil to hit a dog

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Neem i have seen too many owners where the fecking dog thinks its the boss of the house

"oh dont move him from the sofa he can get quite snappy"

i mean wtaf?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you sound like the type of owner who sits on the carpet and eats his tea whilst the dog snoozes on the best chair

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

Omg this thread is too much. I should've known there would be some hilarious replies with Chuff and LT posting in here though.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course it is. The most confusing thing is people who think it's fine to hit a child but evil to hit a dog

so how this experiment with parallel threads (kids/dogs) is coming along?
have you identified anybody who thinks like that?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

the MRI experiments with oxytocin release in the brain confirm that dogs have the same reaction to their owners like owners have to them, love

OK so they they experience something which chemically resembles (the human concept of) love... But then, we could go into a much deeper philosophical discussion there Twosugars... Namely, "what is the biological purpose of love".

But that's a bit in depth (and sort of grim / cynical) for a nice sunny afternoon

[Ant.]

I'm no dog expert but I've read on multiple places that hitting dogs doesn't 'discipline' them

I wouldn't have it in me to hit my dogs anyway

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

so how this experiment with parallel threads (kids/dogs) is coming along?
have you identified anybody who thinks like that?

I'm sure there are plenty actually

[Kazanne]

Dogs don't have that full understanding though ,children over a certain age do.I am not saying we should smack kids just that if we do they know what its for,Dogs not so much, plus a reactionary slap for running in the road surely hurts less than being run over in the road.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

so how this experiment with parallel threads (kids/dogs) is coming along?
have you identified anybody who thinks like that?

There actually seem to be a few . At least LT is consistent...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

so how this experiment with parallel threads (kids/dogs) is coming along?
have you identified anybody who thinks like that?

Adam, Chuff, Glenn, Nicky, maybe Kizzy but I'm not sure if she was joking or serious in the kids thread and kazanne I'm not sure she wasn't overly clear about the smacking thing in the other thread

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OK so they they experience something which chemically resembles (the human concept of) love... But then, we could go into a much deeper philosophical discussion there Twosugars... Namely, "what is the biological purpose of love".

But that's a bit in depth (and sort of grim / cynical) for a nice sunny afternoon

it'd have to be a brand new thread, good topic tho

of course there's a biological purpose to love, but there's also selfless love (I hope)
luckily dogs don't have comprehension of such fine distinctions and love us as best they can
and I'll take this "thoughtless" love, as will you

edit: muddled up my argument so apologies, TS

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Dogs don't have that full understanding though ,children over a certain age do.I am not saying we should smack kids just that if we do they know what its for,Dogs not so much, plus a reactionary slap for running in the road surely hurts less than being run over in the road.

I don't advocate either but I think in theory if you did slap a dog on the nose as they're doing the thing you don't want them to they would associate it with whatever they'd done but it has to be right when they're doing it. Positive training for dogs of course is much better

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Adam, Chuff, Glenn, Nicky, maybe Kizzy but I'm not sure if she was joking or serious in the kids thread and kazanne I'm not sure she wasn't overly clear about the smacking thing in the other thread

Nicky? Despite being thumped on the head?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Nicky? Despite being thumped on the head?

oh no sorry you're right I wronged Nicky there

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Bite them back if they bite you.

Our vet told me to do that when Ryu was a pup and we were having issues with bites. I argued that it wouldn't help and was cruel but she insisted its the best way. Not really hard, but hard enough to make him yelp :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Adam, Chuff, Glenn, Nicky, maybe Kizzy but I'm not sure if she was joking or serious in the kids thread and kazanne I'm not sure she wasn't overly clear about the smacking thing in the other thread

Like the kids I have tapped the dog too... And I literally mean a tap on the 'bum' and twice on the shnoz ( for getting into the bin)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Like the kids I have tapped the dog too... And I literally mean a tap on the 'bum' and twice on the shnoz ( for getting into the bin)

the kids or the dog?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

the kids or the dog?

both

[jaxie]

Well no apart from a little scolding now and then because like hitting children all you would teach them is fear and hitting out. The question should be should owners train their dogs. Absolutely they should with kindness and reward.