[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Research that doesn't know or show the difference between beating and chastising. Smacking a child and beating the sh1t out of it.

I truly regret saying anything because it's turned this kid into some kind of bleeding heart case. No one knows what his childhood was like. Maybe if he'd had more discipline (is that more acceptable?) they he wouldn't be such an arsehole.

Chastising can be done without actually becoming psychical.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Chastising can be done without actually becoming psychical.

Like I said, I regret saying what I said because it's changed the whole tone of the discussion and made this awful kid into some kind of victim.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like I said, I regret saying what I said because it's changed the whole tone of the discussion and made this awful kid into some kind of victim.

Most of the time on here it’s who is saying something not what they are saying.

Lt gets jumped on more times than a free bouncy castle.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Most of the time on here it’s who is saying something not what they are saying.

Lt gets jumped on more times than a free bouncy castle.

Are you accusing me of not having that opinion consistently? because I do....and I like Livia and LT so there goes that theory

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you accusing me of not having that opinion consistently? because I do....and I like Livia and LT so there goes that theory

I never mentioned your name Niamh so stop jumping to conclusions.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I never mentioned your name Niamh so stop jumping to conclusions.

It was a pretty easy conclusion to jump to considering I was the only one speaking to Livia on the opposite side, who were you talking about then because there literally was no one else involved?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was a pretty easy conclusion to jump to considering I was the only one speaking to Livia on the opposite side, who were you talking about then because there literally was no one else involved?

It was in answer to Livia wishing she never said anything, as we all do on here at times, just not worth the bloody hassle, this being a prime example.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you accusing me of not having that opinion consistently? because I do....and I like Livia and LT so there goes that theory

Being friends and also being able to disagree is the grown up approach.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Being friends and also being able to disagree is the grown up approach.

Indeed, i like a good ol debate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Most of the time on here it’s who is saying something not what they are saying.

Lt gets jumped on more times than a free bouncy castle.

amem sister

[Cherie]

or is he saying I am only 15 to travel for free

if there were more discipline and respect maybe the young mainly men who have ended up dead with a knife in their guts might still be alive, a small shove to put your in your place v a knife in the gut....you choose

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

or is he saying I am only 15 to travel for free

if there were more discipline and respect maybe the young mainly men who have ended up dead with a knife in their guts might still be alive, a small shove to put your in your place v a knife in the gut....you choose

So adults demonstrating that violence is a way to solve problems makes it LESS likely that kids / teens will use violence to solve their problems?

It doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, and it never will, no matter how much people want it to, there is simply zero evidence base behind the idea that corporal punishment teaches respect, and there is an ample evidence base behind the statistically verified fact that violence (whether its "well meaning" or apparently "justified" or not) begets violence. I get that people don't like that and want something else to be true, but it just isn't. People have been examining this issue for a very long time.

This kid being physically grabbed / pushed by this bus driver will have made him much more likely to grab / push other people in future. Especially if people are congratulating the driver and saying that he did the right thing. It's positive reinforcement of violence and its pretty much just that simple.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So adults demonstrating that violence is a way to solve problems makes it LESS likely that kids / teens will use violence to solve their problems?

It doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, and it never will, no matter how much people want it to, there is simply zero evidence base behind the idea that corporal punishment teaches respect, and there is an ample evidence base behind the statistically verified fact that violence (whether its "well meaning" or apparently "justified" or not) begets violence. I get that people don't like that and want something else to be true, but it just isn't. People have been examining this issue for a very long time.

This kid being physically grabbed / pushed by this bus driver will have made him much more likely to grab / push other people in future. Especially if people are congratulating the driver and saying that he did the right thing. It's positive reinforcement of violence and its pretty much just that simple.

so why is violence at school at record levels?

"Nearly half of school support staff across England experience violence at work, with tens of thousands subject to attacks in the classroom on a weekly basis, new figures show"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8527906.html

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So adults demonstrating that violence is a way to solve problems makes it LESS likely that kids / teens will use violence to solve their problems?

It doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, and it never will, no matter how much people want it to, there is simply zero evidence base behind the idea that corporal punishment teaches respect, and there is an ample evidence base behind the statistically verified fact that violence (whether its "well meaning" or apparently "justified" or not) begets violence. I get that people don't like that and want something else to be true, but it just isn't. People have been examining this issue for a very long time.

This kid being physically grabbed / pushed by this bus driver will have made him much more likely to grab / push other people in future. Especially if people are congratulating the driver and saying that he did the right thing. It's positive reinforcement of violence and its pretty much just that simple.

A push is hardly demonstrating violence, if someone tried to enter your home illegally or in a threatening way you would be quite within your rights to push them out, the bus driver is responsible for the bus and his passengers, if he felt this passenger was going to be a threat or cause trouble he had every right to push him off, we don't know the full story here so its difficult to judge why the bus driver reacted but I doubt it was just for being called a prick

If this happened at a hospital reception desk no one would bat an eyelid at the youth being man handled out by security, the guy is on his own, its not like he set about him with a baseball bat, he pushed him off the bus, the only way he let himself down was calling the kid fat, maybe he has done the kid a favour and he will act reasonably in future