[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So the 'rape victims' needs being discussed and approved with the trans person isn't a right being taken away?

Another hypothetical?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Another hypothetical?

Aren't most laws made on hypotheticals, ie the worst that can happen, covering all eventualties? no point closing the stable door after the horse has bolted


Following on from your stance, would you put your child on an adult ward?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Aren't most laws made on hypotheticals, ie the worst that can happen, covering all eventualties? no point closing the stable door after the horse has bolted

Realistic hypotheticals. Not on the idea that there are going to be cackling 6ft bricklayers declaring themselves "Jenny" to touch up a mumsnet member while she's getting her gallbladder out (when they could just have trotted in during visiting hours - which are all day - to do the same thing, without having LITERALLY ALL OF THEIR PERSONAL DETAILS ON RECORD). It's ludicrous.

"Hello my name is Robert Smith, my home address is ______, here's my National Insurance number and all of my contact details, OH btw I go by Susan and would like into your female wards. What for? For rape, obviously.
It's a flawless plan and I will never get caught."

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Realistic hypotheticals. Not on the idea that there are going to be cackling 6ft bricklayers declaring themselves "Jenny" to touch up a mumsnet member while she's getting her gallbladder out (when they could just have trotted in during visiting hours - which are all day - to do the same thing, without having LITERALLY ALL OF THEIR PERSONAL DETAILS ON RECORD). It's ludicrous.

"Hello my name is Robert Smith, my home address is ______, here's my National Insurance number and all of my contact details, OH btw I go by Susan and would like into your female wards. What for? For rape, obviously.
It's a flawless plan and I will never get caught."

Well I doubt anyone thought that woman who was in a coma in Arizona would end up having a baby either but there you have it, strange things do happen on a very small percentage that doesn't mean we shouldnt allow for them to happen...freak accidents etc?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well I doubt anyone thought that woman who was in a coma in Arizona would end up having a baby either but there you have it, strange things do happen on a very small percentage that doesn't mean we shouldnt allow for them to happen...freak accidents etc?

This goes against your point more than it proves it; it's highly likely that she was assaulted by a member of staff. So as I said above, the issue (when there is one) is general overall security and not which patients are or aren't admitted to the ward.

If the wards are open and properly monitored then no one can assault anyone, whether they be male, female, trans, patient, staff or visitor.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This goes against your point more than it proves it; it's highly likely that she was assaulted by a member of staff. So as I said above, the issue (when there is one) is general overall security and not which patients are or aren't admitted to the ward.

If the wards are open and properly monitored then no one can assault anyone, whether they be male, female, trans, patient, staff or visitor.

No it doesn't go against my point, it proves my point that anything can happen, you don't know that it was a staff member either

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No it doesn't go against my point, it proves my point that anything can happen, you don't know that it was a staff member either

It's highly likely to have been a staff member and staff members are being investigated. But maybe it was a transexual in the next room, faking a coma, but secretly sneaking around at night to attack people.

It goes against your point because restricting which patients are or aren't allowed on the ward would have made ZERO difference in this case... whereas making sure that the ward was generally safe and secure by being open / transparent / monitored would have stopped it from happening.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This goes against your point more than it proves it; it's highly likely that she was assaulted by a member of staff. So as I said above, the issue (when there is one) is general overall security and not which patients are or aren't admitted to the ward.

If the wards are open and properly monitored then no one can assault anyone, whether they be male, female, trans, patient, staff or visitor.

You have no idea who she was assaulted by so you are just presuming