[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That proves the point more than anything though Parm, because pints are ****ing disgusting.

Or, OK, rather... I know that SOME people enjoy them, but I also know that a lot of men (especially young men) will order a pint "because that's what men order" despite not actually liking beer. I was one of them from 18 (well... 16 ) up until about 22 when I stopped being arsed about "ordering what other blokes order" and started ordering what I actually wanted. I also knew LOADS of guys who started to admit mid-20's that they don't actually like beer and would rather drink wine, or spirits with mixer.

And I guess that's kind of the point, isn't it.

Poor souls forcing down that bloody bathwater swill instead of a delicious alcopop "cos that's wot burly blokes do, arrrr".


My other prime example is Football. ALL boys pretend to like it up until about age 12. After that, slowly some people start to admit they never were fussed for it. Do some still love it? Obviously, yes, but it starts to become apparent that a lot of kids will pretend a lot of things "to fit in with their gender peers".

to be fair TS if your old man loves football then chances are you will too, if he somehow does not like football then chances are you wont either

why some people grow up to like football AND support Celtic is really beyond me however

baffling

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to be fair TS if your old man loves football then chances are you will too, if he somehow does not like football then chances are you wont either

why some people grow up to like football AND support Celtic is really beyond me however

baffling

100 per cent my Dad had no interest and neither did my brother, and I knew loads of boys growing up who had no interest

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That proves the point more than anything though Parm, because pints are ****ing disgusting.

Or, OK, rather... I know that SOME people enjoy them, but I also know that a lot of men (especially young men) will order a pint "because that's what men order" despite not actually liking beer. I was one of them from 18 (well... 16 ) up until about 22 when I stopped being arsed about "ordering what other blokes order" and started ordering what I actually wanted. I also knew LOADS of guys who started to admit mid-20's that they don't actually like beer and would rather drink wine, or spirits with mixer.

And I guess that's kind of the point, isn't it.

Poor souls forcing down that bloody bathwater swill instead of a delicious alcopop "cos that's wot burly blokes do, arrrr".


My other prime example is Football. ALL boys pretend to like it up until about age 12. After that, slowly some people start to admit they never were fussed for it. Do some still love it? Obviously, yes, but it starts to become apparent that a lot of kids will pretend a lot of things "to fit in with their gender peers".

Yeah exactly because lots of these "gender norms" are just personal preferences and different tastes. It's as ridiculous to say all boys like beer as it would be to say all boys like apples

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

On a practical note what would you dress an 14 month old toddler in if they showed both an interest in Thomas the Tank Engine and Barbie In my experience todders will play with most things, say for argument sake they were invited to a birthday party what would you dress them in? @TS and Withano

Bringing this forward on the page as I am really interested in the responses if I get any that is ..

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That proves the point more than anything though Parm, because pints are ****ing disgusting.

Or, OK, rather... I know that SOME people enjoy them, but I also know that a lot of men (especially young men) will order a pint "because that's what men order" despite not actually liking beer. I was one of them from 18 (well... 16 ) up until about 22 when I stopped being arsed about "ordering what other blokes order" and started ordering what I actually wanted. I also knew LOADS of guys who started to admit mid-20's that they don't actually like beer and would rather drink wine, or spirits with mixer.

And I guess that's kind of the point, isn't it.

Poor souls forcing down that bloody bathwater swill instead of a delicious alcopop "cos that's wot burly blokes do, arrrr".


My other prime example is Football. ALL boys pretend to like it up until about age 12. After that, slowly some people start to admit they never were fussed for it. Do some still love it? Obviously, yes, but it starts to become apparent that a lot of kids will pretend a lot of things "to fit in with their gender peers".

I don't get why anybody would dislike/hate Football, or any Sport for that matter, but then I'm a competition buff so could watch almost anything competition related.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That proves the point more than anything though Parm, because pints are ****ing disgusting.

Or, OK, rather... I know that SOME people enjoy them, but I also know that a lot of men (especially young men) will order a pint "because that's what men order" despite not actually liking beer. I was one of them from 18 (well... 16 ) up until about 22 when I stopped being arsed about "ordering what other blokes order" and started ordering what I actually wanted. I also knew LOADS of guys who started to admit mid-20's that they don't actually like beer and would rather drink wine, or spirits with mixer.

And I guess that's kind of the point, isn't it.

Poor souls forcing down that bloody bathwater swill instead of a delicious alcopop "cos that's wot burly blokes do, arrrr".


My other prime example is Football. ALL boys pretend to like it up until about age 12. After that, slowly some people start to admit they never were fussed for it. Do some still love it? Obviously, yes, but it starts to become apparent that a lot of kids will pretend a lot of things "to fit in with their gender peers".

It's like the world and it's surroundings somehow makes ya brain chicken livered...


Not sure about the football mind..I was brought up to play and love rugby..but just at school leaving age I got into going to watch hearts with my mates..my dad never even knew..I would be away up to places like dundee and Falkirk if hearts were not at home...

I loved it, every single second..but not the 2nd hearts got at the end of my first season....Anyway I'm slavering....

I love watching rugby now and only really watch the champions league and world cups on TV nowadays as far as football is concerned....

So I've went from being forced into playing and watching rugby, to rebelling against my parents and seeking of to the football every Saturday. .to then loving my rugby again....mind that may be down to getting punched in the mouth by grimsby football hooligans the last time Scotland played England at Wembley.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's not true at all

Ok to be fair; I'm talking about when I was a kid which is like 20+ years ago now and "All" was an exaggeration but it was the vast majority, and any who didn't were made fun of. A lot. Maybe its even a Scottish thing but I assure you it was very real to be accused of being "a girl" or of course "a gay" if you were a boy who didn't like football.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to be fair TS if your old man loves football then chances are you will too, if he somehow does not like football then chances are you wont either

why some people grow up to like football AND support Celtic is really beyond me however

baffling

Maybe as I suppose a lot of boys will get really into it to "impress" a parent? But of course, emulation of parents is a whole part of the gender divide, too. A lot of "tough guy man's man" guys do NOT like it if their son is less so and will heavily encourage "boy behaviour".

Likewise "girly mums", of course, less likely to approve of their girls being boyish in their interests.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Bringing this forward on the page as I am really interested in the responses if I get any that is ..

want to know too, but let every parent here answer it, not just TS and Whitano

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ok to be fair; I'm talking about when I was a kid which is like 20+ years ago now and "All" was an exaggeration but it was the vast majority, and any who didn't were made fun of. A lot. Maybe its even a Scottish thing but I assure you it was very real to be accused of being "a girl" or of course "a gay" if you were a boy who didn't like football. Maybe as I suppose a lot of boys will get really into it to "impress" a parent? But of course, emulation of parents is a whole part of the gender divide, too. A lot of "tough guy man's man" guys do NOT like it if their son is less so and will heavily encourage "boy behaviour".

Likewise "girly mums", of course, less likely to approve of their girls being boyish in their interests.

My sister used to have screaming matches with her daughter for wanting to wear her favorite hockey Jersey and sweatpants to school. I didn't understand what good that would do... kids go through fads of clothing, but as long as its clean, what does it matter. You cant scream who they want to be out of them...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't get why anybody would dislike/hate Football, or any Sport for that matter, but then I'm a competition buff so could watch almost anything competition related.

It's not about disliking football... I mean, I don't dislike football any more than I dislike any other hobby or activity, each to their own... what I dislike about football is the idea that "everyone LIKES it" and must follow it / play it / declare that they follow a team and it's "weird" not to. That was genuinely a thing when I was growing up. I successfully pretended to support my local team until I was 13 at which point I admitted that I just wasn't interested in football at all and never had been. It seems that in the teens a lot of people stop needing to conform to the same level, and branch off in their interests, which it's why it's a shame that younger kids feel like they have to "be like the others". That's a wider issue than gender as there are plenty of cross-gender examples of this too... but, there is a huge amount of expected gender conformity of "things boys do" and "things girls do".

But that doesn't mean "being genderless" or that gendered things aren't OK! Like I said, both of my daughters have gravitated towards "girly stuff" in the end without any prompting... it's not about shouting "HEY! No that's a gender stereotype you can't do that!"

Boys can like football if they like football. That's great. It's just wrong for boys to feel like they SHOULD like football if they have no interest in it, and if they don't they're "odd".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

want to know too, but let every parent here answer it, not just TS and Whitano

No point asking people who think this is a load of old bolloxio though

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mokka

My sister used to have screaming matches with her daughter for wanting to wear her favorite hockey Jersey and sweatpants to school. I didn't understand what good that would do... kids go through fads of clothing, but as long as its clean, what does it matter. You cant scream who they want to be out of them...

seems a stupid waste of time on your sisters behalf

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No point asking people who think this is a load of old bolloxio though

This thread has been chopped to bits....bit I'm. Interested as a parent to know what the question was.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No point asking people who think this is a load of old bolloxio though

yeah, but you never know
my parents were obvs traditionalists etc but thinking back I wasn't made to conform to the male gender stereotype that much, they were sort of happy to go along with me rather than expect I'd like football, boys toys etc
So my point is there's always some room for manouvre even if you're not arsed about being "above" the gender stuff

[Parmy]

What do girls do when all the boys are on ps2.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do girls do when all the boys are on ps2.

Put up posters of the the latest heart-throb on their bedroom wall, they're happy as Larry doing that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do girls do when all the boys are on ps2.

jesus parmy its ps4 now!

and i will tell you what they are doing, they are snapchatting

end of

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

jesus parmy its ps4 now!

and i will tell you what they are doing, they are snapchatting

end of

Crikey...do they still do resident evil and worms? Does snapchatting involve long nails rattling on a screen accompanied by some ridiculous facial expressions?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I understand the wacky Paloma Faith is doing the same thing ..


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[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Put up posters of the the latest heart-throb on their bedroom wall, they're happy as Larry doing that.

Larry grayson...Larry hagman....or in the words of jabet street porter...Red Larry yerrow larry?


Who is this larry?

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't get why anybody would dislike/hate Football, or any Sport for that matter, but then I'm a competition buff so could watch almost anything competition related.

Football’s mind-numbingly boring imo

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

yeah, but you never know
my parents were obvs traditionalists etc but thinking back I wasn't made to conform to the male gender stereotype that much, they were sort of happy to go along with me rather than expect I'd like football, boys toys etc
So my point is there's always some room for manouvre even if you're not arsed about being "above" the gender stuff

I think most parents are like this and if you have a boy and a girl they will play with each other toys and no one used to bat an eyelid but now the spotlight is firmly on little Johnny and Mary to see what they could/should/should not be doing, let kids be kids, they have plenty time to identify as whatever down the line

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Football’s mind-numbingly boring imo

what sport do you love?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

jesus parmy its ps4 now!

and i will tell you what they are doing, they are snapchatting

end of

TikTok LT it's 2019

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TikTok LT it's 2019

tik what?

isnt that Chinese?