[bots]

I'm sure the fire service will have learnt valuable lessons. The thing is, you can't simulate every fire situation and certainly not anything on that scale and its all too easy to say what could have been done hindsight. Firemen are all highly trained, fit individuals. They rely completely on their training to deal with situations.

I would never place responsibility for mistakes on a group of people that were risking their own lives to save others .... never

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm sure the fire service will have learnt valuable lessons. The thing is, you can't simulate every fire situation and certainly not anything on that scale and its all too easy to say what could have been done hindsight. Firemen are all highly trained, fit individuals. They rely completely on their training to deal with situations.

I would never place responsibility for mistakes on a group of people that were risking their own lives to save others .... never

I suppose when I think about the type of people covering their own arse, nothing is beyond them. I remember when I saw the terrible pictures on the news, thinking... I can almost hear the umbrellas going up as people scrabbled to distance themselves.

[Cherie]

Nothing surprises me these days, if I were a fire fighter now I would be so demoralised, they should all down tools until they get an apology and the spotlight shone back on the real reason the fire took hold, whoever sanctioned the flammable material that continues to clad blocks of flats across the country

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nothing surprises me these days, if I were a fire fighter now I would be so demoralised, they should all down tools until they get an apology and the spotlight shone back on the real reason the fire took hold, whoever sanctioned the flammable material that continues to clad blocks of flats across the country

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There failure was they didn't realise the building was wrapped in a flammable material and why would they? if anyone has ever had any work done in their own homes building control pick up on the tinyest of details, so there would be no reason for them to think that on a building like this it would be any different

Originally Posted by Cherie

It is actually appalling that people who put their lives on the line and who will most likely suffer mentally for the rest of their lives from what they saw and heard are being put forward as the reason for so many deaths

Originally Posted by Livia

It's crappy, isn't it.

How dare they try to shine a spotlight on the firefighters while the shiny-arsed civil servants who chose to cover the building in flammable material for financial reasons will presumably retain their reputations unblemished.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm sure the fire service will have learnt valuable lessons. The thing is, you can't simulate every fire situation and certainly not anything on that scale and its all too easy to say what could have been done hindsight. Firemen are all highly trained, fit individuals. They rely completely on their training to deal with situations.

I would never place responsibility for mistakes on a group of people that were risking their own lives to save others .... never

Well said Bots,my brother is a firefighter and I know they do a bloody hard job and do their best,how come they are in the firing line , when so many other people should be culpable,

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

how come they are in the firing line , when so many other people should be culpable,

Because sadly... the people who are actually culpable have the friends and connections that make it possible for them to arrange to have attention diverted elsewhere.