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11-02-2019, 07:35 PM | #1 | |||
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I have just seen that next Monday nights ch4 dispatches is asking this question.
I remember posting a video on the night of the fire on here that showed the flat the fire started in and I posted about how the firemen we're aiming the hose underneath the fire rather than at the top... Now that I remember though I think i posted without posting the video, then when I went back to try and post it the video was mysteriously missing from my original source. But anyway...I have always believed since then that the fire service were at fault in the fact they tragically underestimated the dangers on that tragic night. |
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12-02-2019, 07:01 AM | #2 | |||
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due to not understanding what was going on. They went into to the Fire at his Fridge then left, not aware of the outside. |
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12-02-2019, 07:35 AM | #3 | |||
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There failure was they didn't realise the building was wrapped in a flammable material and why would they? if anyone has ever had any work done in their own homes building control pick up on the tinyest of details, so there would be no reason for them to think that on a building like this it would be any different
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12-02-2019, 08:53 AM | #4 | |||
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They are working under the assumption that the building is up to safety standards. I mean wasn't this a council property? (or am i wrong about that?) That would be even more of a reason to believe it met fire safety regulations. The fire service are very well trained and would follow proper procedure to the letter. Very unfair to try and shift blame onto them and take some of the heat (pardon the pun) off those who were really responsible.
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12-02-2019, 09:43 AM | #5 | |||
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12-02-2019, 09:59 AM | #6 | |||
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It is actually appalling that people who put their lives on the line and who will most likely suffer mentally for the rest of their lives from what they saw and heard are being put forward as the reason for so many deaths
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12-02-2019, 10:04 AM | #7 | |||
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How dare they try to shine a spotlight on the firefighters while the shiny-arsed civil servants who chose to cover the building in flammable material for financial reasons will presumably retain their reputations unblemished. |
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12-02-2019, 10:05 AM | #8 | |||
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Absolutely.
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12-02-2019, 10:14 AM | #9 | |||
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I'm sure the fire service will have learnt valuable lessons. The thing is, you can't simulate every fire situation and certainly not anything on that scale and its all too easy to say what could have been done hindsight. Firemen are all highly trained, fit individuals. They rely completely on their training to deal with situations.
I would never place responsibility for mistakes on a group of people that were risking their own lives to save others .... never |
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12-02-2019, 10:16 AM | #10 | |||
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12-02-2019, 10:17 AM | #11 | |||
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12-02-2019, 10:28 AM | #12 | |||
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Nothing surprises me these days, if I were a fire fighter now I would be so demoralised, they should all down tools until they get an apology and the spotlight shone back on the real reason the fire took hold, whoever sanctioned the flammable material that continues to clad blocks of flats across the country
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12-02-2019, 10:31 AM | #13 | |||
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12-02-2019, 10:34 AM | #14 | |||
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The thing is, it's actually very difficult to pump water up beyond a certain height, that's just gravity / physics. And that's why there are regulations on the use of certain materials (the type used on the building!) on buildings over a certain height. Precisely because fighting a fire in a high rise presents so many additional complications.
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12-02-2019, 12:04 PM | #16 | |||
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12-02-2019, 12:13 PM | #17 | |||
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yes they should have used their levitating fire engines and crystal balls to get the fire at the top and know the whole fecking building was one big roman candle due to some twats making money and cutting corners hiding behind weak regulation
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12-02-2019, 12:16 PM | #18 | |||
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12-02-2019, 12:40 PM | #19 | |||
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12-02-2019, 12:53 PM | #20 | ||
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12-02-2019, 01:31 PM | #21 | |||
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Even IF the fire brigade made some errors on the night, and lets face it they probably did given its a live situation and they are only human, the blame lies on who signed off on flammable cladding on a building, no one else
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12-02-2019, 01:36 PM | #22 | |||
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Yes, but the question is could more lives have been saved.
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12-02-2019, 01:39 PM | #23 | |||
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If they had pointed their hoses at a different angle? Nah. If the building hadn't been covered in flammable material? Absolutely.
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It's a pointless "captain hindsight" question; in literally EVERY situation where there are deaths, of course more lives could have been saved if the outcome was already known? Unfortunately though, all that can actually be done when a disaster is in progress is making an educated guess and hoping for the best. It's the sort of decisions firefighters have to make every day. Noticing that someone is declining in a car wreck and making the decision to cut them free - but the car was pinching an artery and that person bleeds to death in 20 seconds. Might that person have survived if they had waited? Sure. Maybe. Or maybe they would have died trapped, and we'd be asking "might they have survived if they had been cut loose".
It's irrelevant. The Grenfell deaths are on the people who chose to use flammable cladding and not to install other fire safety equipment. Any attempt to divert away from that is just... grubby. I suppose to continue the same parallel; it's like a drunk driver who caused a crash saying "Well, that family would have survived if the firefighters and paramedics had done a better job". Last edited by Toy Soldier; 12-02-2019 at 01:51 PM. |
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12-02-2019, 02:38 PM | #25 | |||
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There was a lot of confusion on that night..including the fire brigade believing the fire was out, waiting to long to evacuate the building..heck even some of the 999 calls were handled as far away as Newcastle. ..
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