[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh no Annie it wasn't anyone off site,just a couple of members . I respect your opinion Annie, I just fine too many things don't seem to add up for me, but we all see things differently.

As a genuine question Kaz; sexual abuse allegations totally aside, do you think that the way he discarded children / went through a serious of "favourites" one after the other could be considered abusive in itself?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As a genuine question Kaz; sexual abuse allegations totally aside, do you think that the way he discarded children / went through a serious of "favourites" one after the other could be considered abusive in itself?

Did that actually happen though? they seemed to be intimating that he cast them aside at age 10 but they were with him well into their teens, that Jimmy was hanging out the hotel window in Paris and he must have been 14 or so. If he was trapped in his childhood obviously as they grew older they would have been less interested in popcorn and movie night etc so it would have been a natural transition to befriend other children...I don't know I lean both ways but I think each argument could have an innocuous reason as well an a not so innocuous one

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As a genuine question Kaz; sexual abuse allegations totally aside, do you think that the way he discarded children / went through a serious of "favourites" one after the other could be considered abusive in itself?

But again we only have their word he 'discarded' them, they said they felt discarded , well one of them did, maybe they all just moved on in life , didn't Michael get married and have kids of his own ,maybe his time was more needed for them , could be the boys grew older and faded away (until now) , MJ had tours ,recordings, many , many things to do maybe it was just a lack of time , besides he stayed friends with a few of them , and he also had lady friends and no doubt a lot of his time was taken up with career stuff.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But again we only have their word he 'discarded' them, they said they felt discarded , well one of them did, maybe they all just moved on in life , didn't Michael get married and have kids of his own ,maybe his time was more needed for them , could be the boys grew older and faded away (until now) , MJ had tours ,recordings, many , many things to do maybe it was just a lack of time , besides he stayed friends with a few of them , and he also had lady friends and no doubt a lot of his time was taken up with career stuff.

Very strong response.

Also Cherie made a really strong response with good observances.

My answer as to was it abusive is a very short one, unusually for me.

It's simply.
No it's not abusive.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Very strong response.

Also Cherie made a really strong response with good observances.

My answer as to was it abusive is a very short one, unusually for me.

It's simply.
No it's not abusive.

In your opinion. You do realise what abandonment does to children emotionally if that did happen?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

In your opinion. You do realise what abandonment does to children emotionally if that did happen?

Well of course its in my opinion.
Whose other could it be.

He didn't abandon them anyway.
The Mother's still had contact at times with him.

It may be upsetting but they weren't his children to abandon anyway.

They didn't live with him permanently for goodness sake.
He was clearly generous the time they spent with him and enjoyed the lifestyle they had.

I'd bet had they been in desperate need he'd have been there for them and helped them.

Of course you'd likely say he only used and abused them no matter what I say anyway.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well of course its in my opinion.
Whose other could it be.

He didn't abandon them anyway.
The Mother's still had contact at times with him.

It may be upsetting but they weren't his children to abandon anyway.

They didn't live with him permanently for goodness sake.
He was clearly generous the time they spent with him and enjoyed the lifestyle they had.

I'd bet had they been in desperate need he'd have been there for them and helped them.

Of course you'd likely say he only used and abused them no matter what I say anyway.

Also they could have missed his company and gifts he gave them !!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

In your opinion. You do realise what abandonment does to children emotionally if that did happen?

Annie,I was abandoned by my real mother when I was 3, and I was adopted by my stepmom,we had a good life and although I always wondered about my mom,I feel I am quite emotionally stable and able to forgive her, I did find her many years later but she had passed on,so I still missed out on her ,but I did find several siblings,I don't think they were abandoned they had their parents,homes etc and they must have had other friends.