[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

TS, however, has far from finished with it. (Actually sitting pretty comfortably at the top of the thread post count alongside Kazanne ) But to come in here and ridicule people's discussion as a "circle jerk" is just immature and unnecessary.

Not Marsh trying and failing miserably to redefine his forum role

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People can believe Wade & James all they want, but there's a million inconsistencies & contradictions. Their stories don't add up.

Plus why is there no mention of Brandi dating Wade for 8 years! , or the fact Wade tried to get married at neverland back in 2005 !! , also Wade's brother is a cop why didn't he tell him he'd been abused? . And why would you want to get married at neverland if you'd been abused by the owner for years ?? .

Why did Wade's mother want custody of MJ's kids after he died when mj has a huge family including his own mother Katherine .

James' mother must be extremely lazy If she was still in bed between 2.30- 300 pm when it was announced MJ died .

James' story about the wedding ring was filmed months after the rest of the film ,I wonder why that is if he allegedly had the jewellery all along?? Even the furniture is different . Interesting how there's no written vows though .

It's funny how the film is called LEAVING neverland when it looks more like they wanted to permanently LIVE at Neverland . Also why call it that title , it's all about making money off MJ. Why not call it
' Robson & Safechuck story' .

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

People can believe Wade & James all they want, but there's a million inconsistencies & contradictions. Their stories don't add up.

Plus why is there no mention of Brandi dating Wade for 8 years! , or the fact Wade tried to get married at neverland back in 2005 !! , also Wade's brother is a cop why didn't he tell him he'd been abused? . And why would you want to get married at neverland if you'd been abused by the owner for years ?? .

Why did Wade's mother want custody of MJ's kids after he died when mj has a huge family including his own mother Katherine .

James' mother must be extremely lazy If she was still in bed between 2.30- 300 pm when it was announced MJ died .

James' story about the wedding ring was filmed months after the rest of the film ,I wonder why that is if he allegedly had the jewellery all along?? Even the furniture is different . Interesting how there's no written vows though .

It's funny how the film is called LEAVING neverland when it looks more like they wanted to permanently LIVE at Neverland . Also why call it that title , it's all about making money off MJ. Why not call it
' Robson & Safechuck story' .

Exactly. Here's something else that doesn't make sense...

Joy Robson "liking" facebook posts on MJ (AFTER she knew about the "abuse")

Watch the video in this tweet.

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Originally Posted by Nancy.

Exactly. Here's something else that doesn't make sense...

Joy Robson "liking" facebook posts on MJ (AFTER she knew about the "abuse")

Watch the video in this tweet.

Absolutely

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Absolutely

all this is pointed out and yet no real answers by the nay sayers, other than calling MJ names

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

all this is pointed out and yet no real answers by the nay sayers, other than calling MJ names

I guess MJ was still grooming everyone beyond the grave ?

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Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

all this is pointed out and yet no real answers by the nay sayers, other than calling MJ names

There have been dozens of answers. "I don't understand your answer" does not mean there was no answer, and people having given up on repeating those answers when the same questions are asked ad infinitum doesn't mean there hasn't been an attempt.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There have been dozens of answers. "I don't understand your answer" does not mean there was no answer, and people having given up on repeating those answers when the same questions are asked ad infinitum doesn't mean there hasn't been an attempt.

If you say so TS,but I have not seen one proper answer to several things brought up in some of these vids ,they are just brushed off as MJ supporters covering for him when not everyone is a fan, I am, as I have said .but Joey wasn't a particular fan,not sure Marsh was either It's not about who is right and wrong it is pointing out the inconsistances of those two in that mockumentary and no one really answers them, which smacks of people aren't really bothered about whether he did it or not,they just want to be right ,without being questioned.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not Marsh trying and failing miserably to redefine his forum role

No response to what was said? Now who's posting unnecessarily.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No response to what was said? Now who's posting unnecessarily.

What you said didn't warrant a response and no one is trying to police threads other than you, Marsh. What I was pointing out is that the idea of you suddenly lecturing people on what is and isn't unnecessary is utterly bizarre and given that it seems to be pretty much confined to this thread, I'm comfortable enough in putting it down to being agenda-driven.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What you said didn't warrant a response and no one is trying to police threads other than you, Marsh. What I was pointing out is that the idea of you suddenly lecturing people on what is and isn't unnecessary is utterly bizarre and given that it seems to be pretty much confined to this thread, I'm comfortable enough in putting it down to being agenda-driven.

Didn't warrant a response, yet gave one anyway. Kind of sums it up.

Yes, I think you coming in and being personal with a bunch of people for daring to have a different opinion to you and daring to continue to discuss the ongoing story/interviews/developments in the thread (despite you apparently having grown bored of it) is unnecessary. Think what the hell you want about me, I don't care.

Now, I have an "agenda". Ok.
Whether Michael Jackson was or was not a pedophile, whether Wade and James are telling the truth or a pack of lies, whether they want justice or money makes ZERO difference to my life. But, yeah, call it whatever makes you comfortable.

The only "agenda" I may have is being sick and tired of the likes of you deciding when "enough is enough" in a discussion. The thread will continue for as long as the story is in the headlines, and as long as members on here care enough to contribute to it. Regardless of what you find pointless or repetitive or boring.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Didn't warrant a response, yet gave one anyway. Kind of sums it up.

Yes, I think you coming in and being personal with a bunch of people for daring to have a different opinion to you and daring to continue to discuss the ongoing story/interviews/developments in the thread (despite you apparently having grown bored of it) is unnecessary. Think what the hell you want about me, I don't care.

Now, I have an "agenda". Ok.
Whether Michael Jackson was or was not a pedophile, whether Wade and James are telling the truth or a pack of lies, whether they want justice or money makes ZERO difference to my life. But, yeah, call it whatever makes you comfortable.

The only "agenda" I may have is being sick and tired of the likes of you deciding when "enough is enough" in a discussion. The thread will continue for as long as the story is in the headlines, and as long as members on here care enough to contribute to it. Regardless of what you find pointless or repetitive or boring.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Didn't warrant a response, yet gave one anyway. Kind of sums it up.

Yes, I think you coming in and being personal with a bunch of people for daring to have a different opinion to you and daring to continue to discuss the ongoing story/interviews/developments in the thread (despite you apparently having grown bored of it) is unnecessary. Think what the hell you want about me, I don't care.

Now, I have an "agenda". Ok.
Whether Michael Jackson was or was not a pedophile, whether Wade and James are telling the truth or a pack of lies, whether they want justice or money makes ZERO difference to my life. But, yeah, call it whatever makes you comfortable.

The only "agenda" I may have is being sick and tired of the likes of you deciding when "enough is enough" in a discussion. The thread will continue for as long as the story is in the headlines, and as long as members on here care enough to contribute to it. Regardless of what you find pointless or repetitive or boring.

I mean it's a decent attempt however, unfortunately, we don't get to change the narrative on a forum because it only takes a click to check the facts;

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sorry, but if we're condemning a dead man for accusations he can't defend himself against on the basis that said man was weird and eccentric then the entire frigging world has gone stark raving mad.

Yes, he was strange (the whole bloody family are rather weird) but that itself is not evidence of anything.

Post #29 on a 1500 post thread before the doc had even aired. Your leanings have been evident since literally the second page but you're trying to argue that you don't have one and are just now, today, saying something because of something I said yesterday.

Come on Marsh. At least try. Own your bias and by all means make an argument from that point but don't just start screeching that the sky is green and that you have no personal or emotional stake in the topic. Not when you tilted your hand in that regard on your first post in the thread, several weeks ago.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Post #29 on a 1500 post thread before the doc had even aired. Your leanings have been evident since literally the second page but you're trying to argue that you don't have one and are just now, today, saying something because of something I said yesterday.

Come on Marsh. At least try. Own your bias and by all means make an argument from that point but don't just start screeching that the sky is green and that you have no personal or emotional stake in the topic. Not when you tilted your hand in that regard on your first post in the thread, several weeks ago.

I'd return the favour but this is an appalling attempt at... whatever it is you're attempting to do.

The post you quote was pretty much my response to a bunch of people using the "Well, Michael Jackson WAS weird wasn't he guys?" as "evidence" of his guilt as a pedophile. I have no idea how that gives me an emotional stake in the topic but, yeah keep trying. I never suggested I had no opinions on the topic and everything that has been going on with this documentary. Just that whatever the actual TRUTH is, not what he or she said, or what is suggested by a certain piece of evidence on either side, but the actual TRUTH makes zero impact on my life.

So... still not quite sure what you're getting at. But, as I said earlier, whatever makes you comfortable in your ruling that the discussion is over.... seemingly because you have finished contributing.... apparently when your frequent postings in the thread say otherwise.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'd return the favour but this is an appalling attempt at... whatever it is you're attempting to do.

The post you quote was pretty much my response to a bunch of people using the "Well, Michael Jackson WAS weird wasn't he guys?" as "evidence" of his guilt as a pedophile. I have no idea how that gives me an emotional stake in the topic but, yeah keep trying. I never suggested I had no opinions on the topic and everything that has been going on with this documentary. Just that whatever the actual TRUTH is, not what he or she said, or what is suggested by a certain piece of evidence on either side, but the actual TRUTH makes zero impact on my life.

So... still not quite sure what you're getting at. But, as I said earlier, whatever makes you comfortable in your ruling that the discussion is over.... seemingly because you have finished contributing.... apparently when your frequent postings in the thread say otherwise.

OK Marsh. You haven't chosen a side on this topic at all, you've been totally neutral throughout, and have swooped in in outrage at the suggestion that the thread has become an obvious circlejerk, not because of any personal leaning on the topic, but because you felt a duty to protect the innocents of the thread against such heinous accusations. How dare!

Its a fun story so we'll go with it I guess.

Let's go back to the original point;


I don't think the thread is a debate or a discussion if its just people posting painfully dumb YouTube videos at each other and clapping each other on the back. I think it's a pointless circle-jerk. I don't care if you think that's harsh or disagree and I don't understand why you would think it's your place to step in "on principle" for the people posting them but again, I'm willing to accept that's what you're doing if you say it is, it doesn't change my opinion either way. 'tis in my opinion a pointless, boring circle-jerk and if saying so is against the rules then someone will infract me for it. Fair?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Didn't warrant a response, yet gave one anyway. Kind of sums it up.

Yes, I think you coming in and being personal with a bunch of people for daring to have a different opinion to you and daring to continue to discuss the ongoing story/interviews/developments in the thread (despite you apparently having grown bored of it) is unnecessary. Think what the hell you want about me, I don't care.

Now, I have an "agenda". Ok.
Whether Michael Jackson was or was not a pedophile, whether Wade and James are telling the truth or a pack of lies, whether they want justice or money makes ZERO difference to my life. But, yeah, call it whatever makes you comfortable.

The only "agenda" I may have is being sick and tired of the likes of you deciding when "enough is enough" in a discussion. The thread will continue for as long as the story is in the headlines, and as long as members on here care enough to contribute to it. Regardless of what you find pointless or repetitive or boring.

Quite a thing for the forum this thread being made.

I gave up on it a while ago but all I had to say is there over many pages in the first 50.

Just come back to commend your post above Marsh.
Oh and also your patience.

Really well done and I agree with all you say above.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Quite a thing for the forum this thread being made.

I gave up on it a while ago but all I had to say is there over many pages in the first 50.

Just come back to commend your post above Marsh.
Oh and also your patience.

Really well done and I agree with all you say above.

Welcome back Joey