[JerseyWins]

Ok looking through other posts in the thread...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean no one is really willing to address the fact that the same thing still happens anyway; some people have quality uniforms (good cut, good fit, good fabric) and others have primary tat that rips up the arse the first time they bend down to pick up a pencil . Plus nicer coats, bags, shoes... You can still tell who the poorer kids are. It was that way at both of my schools and its still the same at my daughter's primary school.

I mean on balance I'm actually FOR uniforms... I think it's a better aesthetic for a school... Though I don't think it's of huge importance and I don't think it has much impact on bullying at all and honestly if anything I think kids are more likely to be bullied for a scruffy / too small uniform than for wearing cheap casual clothes.

I addressed these things in one of my first few posts in this thread before the paragraphs of back and forth rambling

But great all-around post Toy Soldier

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Of course its a good idea

better for parents, better for the school, better for cohesion and identitiy and it stops children wasting money by being hoodwinked by marketing any more than they get at weekends.

I agree its still easy to spot the poorer kids but its not meant to totally cloak "wealth" its to try and stop children flaunting it through ignorant parents (they ones who live in a 3 bed semi but drive a compact Range Rover on £550 finance a month and can barely pay their gas bill, or drive a small BMW even though its unreliable, sh1t in snow and expensive to run). Its to stop childrn having to !"worry" about what they wear everyday and obsess about "what others think of them" and fitting in with the popular tribe etc etc

School is to learn about things you can use all through your life and its not about being popular and children have to be protected from themselves until finally the penny drops (in their late 20s!)

Actually I think these are all pretty fair arguments but it's more for the parents than the schools to teach upon their kids. So if some kids are going to be materialistic and flaunt what they have, other kids should be sheltered from this during school hours and limited in one of the ways they can express themselves in their own way? Whether fitting in or taking a stand on something, this is all part of growing up for kids. Uniforms aren't going to limit the cliques, and the worries, and the bullying etc... these things will happen all the time in schools with uniforms as well. I don't think it can be hidden from children whether it's 6 hours in a day with their peers or throughout the entire day. It's not something uniforms fix IMO. And it's just not of importance for a kid's education so why are schools essentially censoring them during school hours? They should be free & casual, or whatever they'd like, with what they wear to go learn.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

For, although I had a massive issue with girls having to wear skirts when I was at school, got into alot of arguments with teachers about it. My own daughter has a choice and surprise surprise about 99% of the girls at her school chose to wear trousers ........

So yeah i think it saves time in the mornings and makes life easier in general for parents and students

That's good, I don't mind it as much if there's some choice so that the kids don't feel uncomfortable or forced into wearing something There's some more decision making there for what they like and want to wear while learning.

I personally think the saving time argument is an exaggeration though tbh. It should in most cases save maybe 5 minutes or less per morning to not have to pick out an outfit... and if the uniforms are delayed / mis-scheduled in the wash or misplaced somewhere then that's going to actually take a lot of extra time.

I do think it's a pretty good thing for parents though as they'd likely be saving some money on kids' outfits (assuming the prices to get a uniform are reasonable which I believe they are mostly pretty affordable).

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Jersey: It's not serious...

Also Jersey:

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Dude you're literally spinning in circles over reading one word in a sentence, not understanding what I meant by it, and just repeating it over and over even after I thought I cleared it up. You've done this with multiple points. Wording over full context of the point being made.

Use context clues... this is what I said when you thought I meant this isn't psychological at all, I wasn't saying it wasn't at all:

"I'm not making some big psychological argument where the kids won't develop properly" There are different levels to how things will effect people/kids psychologically, it's not all black and white like you're saying and that's why you think I'm contradicting my argument. So because I'm saying there can be some little psychological elements to it (on both sides of the argument tbh), it's a BIG DEAL and means I'm calling it a major psychological issue? There can be major and/or minor psychological arguments to be made on a situation. But if you're still stuck on that then idk

It's obviously psychological, pro-uniforms is a psychological thing, anti-uniforms is a psychological thing.. but is it a serious psychological case that's going to stump a child's mental growth or something serious like that like you're exaggerating? I don't think so... maybe it can be for certain kids? But my points are a LOT more simpler than that on a grander scheme. It may have been worded poorly but I always said it IS psychological, just not the over-dramatics you keep saying it is.

EDIT: Another quote in response to your record-playing: "- It’s not a huge psychological argument that will affect a kid’s growth but there are some underlying, potential psychological elements to it." Is it that hard to understand this is what I meant ???

And what are your points for pro-uniforms then? You've asked me a ton of questions and I'm answering. I've asked you this countless times now and you don't give a simple breakdown or anything.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Even if you want to say I contradicted myself... like... do you understand it now then after I explain what I actually mean by what I said?

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Ok looking through other posts in the thread...


I addressed these things in one of my first few posts in this thread before the paragraphs of back and forth rambling

But great all-around post Toy Soldier


Actually I think these are all pretty fair arguments but it's more for the parents than the schools to teach upon their kids. So if some kids are going to be materialistic and flaunt what they have, other kids should be sheltered from this during school hours and limited in one of the ways they can express themselves in their own way? Whether fitting in or taking a stand on something, this is all part of growing up for kids. Uniforms aren't going to limit the cliques, and the worries, and the bullying etc... these things will happen all the time in schools with uniforms as well. I don't think it can be hidden from children whether it's 6 hours in a day with their peers or throughout the entire day. It's not something uniforms fix IMO. And it's just not of importance for a kid's education so why are schools essentially censoring them during school hours? They should be free & casual, or whatever they'd like, with what they wear to go learn.


That's good, I don't mind it as much if there's some choice so that the kids don't feel uncomfortable or forced into wearing something There's some more decision making there for what they like and want to wear while learning.

I personally think the saving time argument is an exaggeration though tbh. It should in most cases save maybe 5 minutes or less per morning to not have to pick out an outfit... and if the uniforms are delayed / mis-scheduled in the wash or misplaced somewhere then that's going to actually take a lot of extra time.

I do think it's a pretty good thing for parents though as they'd likely be saving some money on kids' outfits (assuming the prices to get a uniform are reasonable which I believe they are mostly pretty affordable).