[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The rate of hate crimes and incidents of this nature has spiked since 2016. The rhetoric that Trump often spouts is dangerous because people will listen and use his words for justification. Leaders need to speak carefully and Trump just says whatever comes to mind.

The spike in right wing terrorism incidents has everything to do with the political climate and the toxicity coming from the top.

Exactly that.
You can make a case for controlled immigration in calm and measured words.
The orange one is not interested in that though.

[arista]

[Twosugars]

On ITV news tonight they showed a clip from trumps texas rally in 2016.
He was ranting about illegal immigrants and asked: "what are we going to do with these people?" Someone from the audience shouted " shoot them" , trump paused and smiled " only in the panhandle you can get away with this sir"

American president, ladies and gents....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

On ITV news tonight they showed a clip from trumps texas rally in 2016.
He was ranting about illegal immigrants and asked: "what are we going to do with these people?" Someone from the audience shouted " shoot them" , trump paused and smiled " only in the panhandle you can get away with this sir"

American president, ladies and gents....

This Evil Killer
was against Mexicans long before
Trump became President.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by arista

This Evil Killer
was against Mexicans long before
Trump became President.

So was Trump

[Kizzy]

For those who deny these shootings have far right links.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-paso-shooting

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

On ITV news tonight they showed a clip from trumps texas rally in 2016.
He was ranting about illegal immigrants and asked: "what are we going to do with these people?" Someone from the audience shouted " shoot them" , trump paused and smiled " only in the panhandle you can get away with this sir"

American president, ladies and gents....

...I watched it...this is where he holds weight and responsibility as the President of the USA....Trump can’t be blamed for the hate in the hearts of people, that hate has been festering for a long time but no one should be able to look at the President of the USA and say ...your words feed into all of those prejudices...in that same rally he used phrases like ‘they marched’...a phrase that is designed to infer an ‘attack’....we need to protect our country from the attack from Mexico with this wall...?...it’s inciteful, it’s inciteful of prejudice and hate ...and he knows exactly what he’s doing...

[Kazanne]

I don't think it's fair to blame Trump for these shootings, but I can see its nectar to his haters, the problem lies much deeper than him, how about blaming the person who purchased that gun, and chose to kill people, there will always be people with a warped mindset, Trump has said he will do something so hopefully he will do something about gun control,but it won't be easy as America has always had a gun problem,

[DouglasS]

Ah my brother and his wife live not far from there at all

[Ammi]

..it’s absolutely fair to be terrified that the leader of the free world’s action and reaction is to smile and joke when someone calls out...’shoot them’....he cannot endorse such prejudice and remain blameless...

[Kizzy]

Great posts Ammi, nobody is suggesting that trumps finger was on the trigger obviously. But theres something to be said about his use of language, the scapegoating, the pointed rhetoric that play right to people who commit these acts ...it's fuel for the fire of a warped mindset.
Provocative language as we've heard from trump absolutely causes a reaction in those malcontents.
To critique his actions as supposed leader of the free world is perfectly valid.
The NRA is very powerful Trump has had opportunity to issue controls due to previous shootings, if he does anything about these I will be very surprised.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't think it's fair to blame Trump for these shootings, but I can see its nectar to his haters, the problem lies much deeper than him, how about blaming the person who purchased that gun, and chose to kill people, there will always be people with a warped mindset, Trump has said he will do something so hopefully he will do something about gun control,but it won't be easy as America has always had a gun problem,

When random uncontrollable things occur people like to blame something as it gives them a sense of control. Some odious democrats are using this tragedy to score futile political points. Its sad but somewhat inevitable.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When random uncontrollable things occur people like to blame something as it gives them a sense of control. Some odious democrats are using this tragedy to score futile political points. Its sad but somewhat inevitable.

That's true LT, take Trump 'smiling' for example it can be seen as his natural look of his face ,he seems to me to always have that smile,or it can be spun as something more sinister as people don't like him,not everything is black and white, there are people that I don't like,do I go out and shoot them? no,it's just the mindset of rare individuals,lets hope Trump will deal with it as he has said,gun control might be a good start

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's true LT, take Trump 'smiling' for example it can be seen as his natural look of his face ,he seems to me to always have that smile,or it can be spun as something more sinister as people don't like him,not everything is black and white, there are people that I don't like,do I go out and shoot them? no,it's just the mindset of rare individuals,lets hope Trump will deal with it as he has said,gun control might be a good start

yes putting the guns out of those trump supporter hands would be a good start

cause it's too coincidental the victims of this Texas shooting being mexicans, Trump and his loyal support hating mexicans

but knowing Trump he won't do such thing

[Ammi]

...he actually refers to the reason why he’s smiling...’only in the panhandle can you get away with that statement’...he finds the comment and his joke in response so amusing, he repeats it...just in case those in the back didn’t hear him...I mean really, there is somewhere in the USA where saying ‘shoot them’ is acceptable..because that’s apparently so according to the rule book of the USA president...as he accidentally smiles at how amusing it all is, the prejudice aligning itself to his words...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When random uncontrollable things occur people like to blame something as it gives them a sense of control. Some odious democrats are using this tragedy to score futile political points. Its sad but somewhat inevitable.

OR. ... they are pointing out the very real risk posed when there is someone high profile making light of someone shouting 'shoot them' at a rally.

These shootings are not random, they are planned targetted terrorist attacks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes putting the guns out of those trump supporter hands would be a good start

cause it's too coincidental the victims of this Texas shooting being mexicans, Trump and his loyal support hating mexicans

but knowing Trump he won't do such thing

WHat if most Americans dont want to give up their guns tho Nicky. Mind you he could at least start by getting rid of Assault Rifles

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

OR. ... they are pointing out the very real risk posed when there is someone high profile making light of someone shouting 'shoot them' at a rally.

These shootings are not random, they are planned targetted terrorist attacks.

correct, and didn't this killer here in Texas say he sympathizes with that one shooter from Christchurch

so it's also a planned hate crime then, since specifically targets are mexicans in this shooting

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

OR. ... they are pointing out the very real risk posed when there is someone high profile making light of someone shouting 'shoot them' at a rally.

These shootings are not random, they are planned targetted terrorist attacks.

this guy got suspended from school for putting up a hit list of girls he wanted to kill. Trump has nothing to do with this lone nut job.

[bots]

If mass shootings had started happening when Trump came to power, some connection could be drawn, but as much as people want to blame Trump (and I don't like the guy) mass shootings have been happening for decades. There have been over 200 mass shootings in America this year. It's in single digits, the number that are directed at mexicans. You need to look at the spread of events and the targets over all .... and the simple fact is there are too many other things involved to pin the blame on Trump.

The other mass shooting that happened at the night club, the guy shot his sister. I mean, please tell me how that can be blamed on Trump

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this guy got suspended from school for putting up a hit list of girls he wanted to kill. Trump has nothing to do with this lone nut job.

Well his attention was switched to the 'invasion of Hispanics in Texas' as described in his 8chan explanation of his intention, what could have caused that switch?...


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-possible-hate

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes putting the guns out of those trump supporter hands would be a good start

cause it's too coincidental the victims of this Texas shooting being mexicans, Trump and his loyal support hating mexicans

but knowing Trump he won't do such thing

You don't know Trump he might surprise you

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If mass shootings had started happening when Trump came to power, some connection could be drawn, but as much as people want to blame Trump (and I don't like the guy) mass shootings have been happening for decades. There have been over 200 mass shootings in America this year. It's in single digits, the number that are directed at mexicans. You need to look at the spread of events and the targets over all .... and the simple fact is there are too many other things involved to pin the blame on Trump.

The other mass shooting that happened at the night club, the guy shot his sister. I mean, please tell me how that can be blamed on Trump

Great and unbiased post bots, you don't have to be a Trump 'fan' to see its ridiculous to blame him.

[Liam-]

Nobody is blaming Trump for all mass shootings, that would be ridiculous, but when a manifesto of a far-right nut job comes out where he uses some of the exact phrases that Trump has used at rallies, then you have to admit that there’s a damaging, unavoidable link there, the President of the United States is purposely using rhetoric to stir up his base, which without question has a lot of racists in it and some of his rhetoric is getting through to people that will run with it to justify their lunacy and their actions, whether it be assault, general bigotry or mass murder, it’s a definite problem

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Great and unbiased post bots, you don't have to be a Trump 'fan' to see its ridiculous to blame him.

yes i know there were also mass shootings before trump's presidency

the columbine school shooting for example