[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well no, because your comment was implying that all Irish people are terrorists, "Bit of a pathetic reason to start bombing innocents if you ask me, but that's the Irish for you." not "that's terrorists for you" not "that's the IRA for you" but that's "the Irish for you". Tell me again about how you're not a bigot?

Just like you saying "what you lot did regarding the famine...are you a bigot?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just like you saying "what you lot did regarding the famine...are you a bigot?

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?

Are the ira Irish then?...yes....That's the Irish for you...

Perhaps we are just both not very good with using the correct terminology that people don't have a pointless pathetic opinion on.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?

You're right Niamh. There's a huge difference between government actions, a government who represent the whole country and actions of an independent organisation, terrorist or not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You're right Niamh. There's a huge difference between government actions, a government who represent the whole country and actions of an independent organisation, terrorist or not.

Thank you. I think I'll it there now anyway

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

By you lot I meant Britain as a country, what i said was factual,Britain as a country contributed to people in Ireland dying because of lack of food, there was no actual food shortage in Ireland when people starved to death here, Tony Blair even issued an apology about it a few years back. the comment about "starving" us now also came from a british Politician? Is it Bigoted to say British people are British? If so then maybe I am a bigot?

You can't lay all the blame at the hands of the British when Ireland was exporting vast quantities of food during the famine..calf and pig exporting actually went up during the famine.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You can't lay all the blame at the hands of the British when Ireland was exporting vast quantities of food during the famine..calf and pig exporting actually went up during the famine.

Absolutely correct the "Irish" exported it

Spoiler:

The best land was owned by wealthy English lords
First, for historical reasons, more than two million Irish labourers and their families were totally dependent on the potato to survive. This was much higher proportion than in other countries.
Second, the British government at the time was not prepared to fund famine relief and follow the steps taken in mainland Europe to prevent mass starvation.
The reason so many Irish poor relied on the potato was due to the issue of land ownership. The English conquest of Ireland meant most of the best land was in the hands wealthy landlords, many of whom were either English or of English descent. Many of them were known as absentee landlords because they didn’t even live in Ireland.
Most of these people, even those who lived in Ireland, still regarded themselves as British and had little empathy with the native Irish. They owned most of the best land, and their main concern was to make a profit from cash crops like wheat or by raising cattle.
The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s, most of Ireland’s poor depended almost entirely on what they could grow from small plots of second rate land. Some of these plots were little more than an acre.
The only crop that could provide enough food to support a family on such small plots was the potato. By the 1840s, more than two million people depended on it as their life support system. Even when times were good, they struggled to survive; if the crop failed they knew they faced starvation.

https://ireland-calling.com/irish-potato-famine/

[arista]

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

Don't be ridiculous, but lets say for one second that Ireland is dependent on their EU masters, what happens to them when you take it away?

Who cares as long as you win brexit, right?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

atleast they've not come over and stolen our land yet eh?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s,"


Yes Hard Times
way back in early 1800's
but now you are dependent on the EU masters

EU masters

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely correct the "Irish" exported it

Spoiler:

The best land was owned by wealthy English lords
First, for historical reasons, more than two million Irish labourers and their families were totally dependent on the potato to survive. This was much higher proportion than in other countries.
Second, the British government at the time was not prepared to fund famine relief and follow the steps taken in mainland Europe to prevent mass starvation.
The reason so many Irish poor relied on the potato was due to the issue of land ownership. The English conquest of Ireland meant most of the best land was in the hands wealthy landlords, many of whom were either English or of English descent. Many of them were known as absentee landlords because they didn’t even live in Ireland.
Most of these people, even those who lived in Ireland, still regarded themselves as British and had little empathy with the native Irish. They owned most of the best land, and their main concern was to make a profit from cash crops like wheat or by raising cattle.
The Irish were confined to the less fertile land. Their smallholdings were divided up between sons so that by the 1840s, most of Ireland’s poor depended almost entirely on what they could grow from small plots of second rate land. Some of these plots were little more than an acre.
The only crop that could provide enough food to support a family on such small plots was the potato. By the 1840s, more than two million people depended on it as their life support system. Even when times were good, they struggled to survive; if the crop failed they knew they faced starvation.

https://ireland-calling.com/irish-potato-famine/

Who allowed the landowners to export thier goods?

[Twosugars]

I do hope for a public inquiry and prison sentences once brexit goes tits up

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Who allowed the landowners to export thier goods?

Well Ireland was ruled by Britain during the time of the famine so...........

food was actually exported under armed guard at the time.

The link I posted in my last post covers all that if you're interested in the history lesson

The Whigs believed in the free market and opposed anything that would upset trade. They were also evangelical Protestants with little respect Irish Catholics. Some regarded Ireland as a backward country with an idle population and outdated farming systems. Charles Trevelyan, the man responsible for organising famine relief in Ireland, even went to so far as to say that the famine was God’s way of punishing the Irish and weeding out excess population.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well Ireland was ruled by Britain during the time of the famine so...........

food was actually exported under armed guard at the time.

The link I posted in my last post covers all that if you're interested in the history lesson

The Whigs believed in the free market and opposed anything that would upset trade. They were also evangelical Protestants with little respect Irish Catholics. Some regarded Ireland as a backward country with an idle population and outdated farming systems. Charles Trevelyan, the man responsible for organising famine relief in Ireland, even went to so far as to say that the famine was God’s way of punishing the Irish and weeding out excess population.

Ive just finished reading that on wiki...you are correct..they were ran by the British at the time..

But it is still living in the past..and holding grudges against people who had absolutely nothing to do with something that's about 180 years old....


To use it as an excuse for people considering bombing innocent people is really unfair on those future victims who will have had nothing to do with any of that....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ive just finished reading that on wiki...you are correct..they were ran by the British at the time..

But it is still living in the past..and holding grudges against people who had absolutely nothing to do with something that's about 180 years old....


To use it as an excuse for people considering bombing innocent people is really unfair on those future victims who will have had nothing to do with any of that....

ohhh hang on a second there Parmnion, the famine came up because I mentioned Priti Patels comment on using food shortages as leverage over Ireland and said it was disrespectful considering the famine, I think you are confusing two different things here.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ohhh hang on a second there Parmnion, the famine came up because I mentioned Priti Patels comment on using food shortages as leverage over Ireland and said it was disrespectful considering the famine, I think you are confusing two different things here.

I am very confused today it seems...Im going home for a lay down.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ohhh hang on a second there Parmnion, the famine came up because I mentioned Priti Patels comment on using food shortages as leverage over Ireland and said it was disrespectful considering the famine, I think you are confusing two different things here.

That woman is pure poison. Looking forward to her inevitable second downfall

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That woman is pure poison. Looking forward to her inevitable second downfall

Bit fcuking harsh mate, Niamhs doing her best

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I do hope for a public inquiry and prison sentences once brexit goes tits up

Negative like that
is the wrong way to think.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Negative like that
is the wrong way to think.

You want to push people further into poverty because you voted for the side of a referendum that broke the law, lied, and cheated, so please explain how wanting justice for that, makes ts the negative one?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You want to push people further into poverty because you voted for the side of a referendum that broke the law, lied, and cheated, so please explain how wanting justice for that, makes ts the negative one?

No those in Poverty
are normal.

Broke what Law?
They paid the fine.
All normal.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Bit fcuking harsh mate, Niamhs doing her best

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

No those in Poverty
are normal.

Broke what Law?
They paid the fine.
All normal.

The range of behaviours by trump or brexiters you are prepared to excuse is troubling

And yet bc for because makes you see red...