[Twosugars]

Meanwhile piers morgan ripped cleverly to pieces over that doctored video of kier steamer

Cons can't help lying

[Beso]

Corbyn can't even keep his understudy in the party...

[Oliver_W]

I hope Labour ditch their stupid "completely open borders" thing if they're gonna get near power.

Is that an actual proposed policy, or was it just Abbott spewing rubbish?

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Anyway - Tom Watson stepping down

Yes Roll on Dec 12th.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I hope Labour ditch their stupid "completely open borders" thing if they're gonna get near power.

Is that an actual proposed policy, or was it just Abbott spewing rubbish?

Definitely not a policy from what I’ve seen

[MTVN]

Nice bunch

[Kizzy]

A very accurate bunch.

[arista]

[Ian Austin , a former Gordon Brown aide
and Labour minister who quit
the party this year, has urged Labour
supporters to "lend the Tories our votes"
in next month's general election.]


https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...votes-11856077

[Kizzy]

The ultimate betrayal... no chance of retaining his seat as an independant at the election so he attempts to sabotage Labour! Judas!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The ultimate betrayal... no chance of retaining his seat as an independant at the election so he attempts to sabotage Labour! Judas!

Yes he is just that.
He managed to get on Radio4
SkyNewsHD breakfast
and BBC1 AM

[arista]

The Utter Truth
Matters Slim.
That MP was Not booked for her show - Fact.

Meanwhile Slim, yesterday posted Fake Twitter

[arista]

[Livia]

I never thought I'd see the day when a Labour politician urged people to vote Tory. But I have to say, my Labour supporting friends would never vote for Corbyn. He's poison to the party.

[MTVN]

[Liam-]

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Powerful piece.

It will not be generally welcomed here, I think.

[Kizzy]

The JC is entitled to its opinion however I still feel that the rise of the old threat... the very real threat of far right expansion is going undocumented in the same way. And I simply can't understand that :/

[arista]

Reported today
60 seats now in a Pact with LibDem /Greens /Welsh
and others all on Remain

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The JC is entitled to its opinion however I still feel that the rise of the old threat... the very real threat of far right expansion is going undocumented in the same way. And I simply can't understand that :/

Because the far right isn’t going to make the elite that run the media pay their fair share in taxes, it’s that simple in my mind

[bots]

In to the 2nd day of campaigning and the tories, labour, lib dems and greens are all a complete disaster to my mind. I don't think we should have to settle for the best of a bad lot. They are all grim but for different reasons. This is absolutely the worst election i've ever experienced.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The ultimate betrayal... no chance of retaining his seat as an independant at the election so he attempts to sabotage Labour! Judas!

Comparing him to a disgraced jew is what I expected from a labour supporter.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Comparing him to a disgraced jew is what I expected from a labour supporter.

His role as trade envoy for Israel may have something to do with his new veiw, that's my opinion as a Labour supporter.

[The Slim Reaper]

The Jewish Chronicle is a right wing publication. They do have some dissenting voices although a quick look back at how they covered the previous elections will tell you that they'd never stand up for a non-tory.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.thejc.com/comment/commen...fears-1.491022

Rabbi Jonathan Romain’s decision to write to his community urging them to vote in the forthcoming election for “whichever party is most likely to defeat Labour” in their constituency crosses a red line in the professional and ethical guidelines of UK rabbinic practice.

These codes of conduct and practice in relation to politics are unwritten - but have been well understood for generations.

Of course, rabbis of all denominations will have views on, as well as speak and write about, political issues. How could it be otherwise when the Torah’s vision is filled with concern for the poor and the marginalised in society, care for the outsider, love of the stranger, questions of social justice and how to look after one’s fields and animals and trees?

Jewish ethical principles that affect the way in which the social, legal, economic and environmental policies of a country are arranged are themes that rabbis will think and preach about. But the red line that my friend and colleague has crossed is not to do with politics but party politics.

My concerns about Jonathan Romain’s unwise decision are twofold. The first is the message it sends to the Jewish community. The second is the message it may unwittingly send to the larger, non-Jewish community.

Rabbi Romain considers that his action is justified because we are facing an “unprecedented situation” in relation to antisemitism in the Labour Party.

Although I hold no personal candle for Corbynite Labour and some of his nastier and ignorant fellow-travellers, this situation requires a calm thoughtfulness rather than an emotive, fear-fuelled enactment which merely mirrors the hostility that some Jews feel themselves subjected to.

Jews are understandably upset, angered and fearful when they hear about, or witness, antisemitic remarks or actions. But thoughtful rabbinic leadership at this moment in our history should be helping people manage their anxieties about these trends – which are part of larger, disturbing trends in the society around us: all that toxic swirl of aggression, anger, hatred and victimisation that courses through public discourse and on social media.

A rabbi’s job, I believe, is to help the Jewish community contain its worries and its emotional distress, not by telling people how to cast their vote (as if they didn’t have a mind of their own) but by strengthening their psychological and spiritual wellbeing.

Rabbi Romain’s intemperate action can only stoke Jewish fears, increase people’s anxieties, collude with our historically deep-seated impulses towards paranoid thinking.

And the message it may send to non-Jews? I fear that it colludes with a fantasy that Jews are a homogenous group who are only concerned about themselves rather than the larger shared issues of the society we all live in. And for some it may fan the flames of a belief in Jewish conspiratorial networks that seek to undermine the country’s wellbeing.

Jews are not threatened with organised violence in this country. If it comes, as it might, it will come from the populist right - who have no internal countervailing voices, as the left do. We will then realise that we had our eyes on the wrong ball all along.

Jews are not threatened with organised violence in this country. If it comes, as it might, it will come from the populist right - who have no internal countervailing voices, as the left do. We will then realise that we had our eyes on the wrong ball all along.

[The Slim Reaper]

Like I said in another thread, there is no one zombie-eaque Jewish mind, and to say there is, is an actual anti semitic trope, and not a pretend one like criticising Israel = anti semite.