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29-03-2020, 11:54 AM | #1 | |||
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29-03-2020, 12:09 PM | #2 | |||
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You can not compare Small Population Nation
to the UK We are nothing like them and will never be |
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29-03-2020, 12:11 PM | #3 | |||
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They will be forced to change their approach at some point.
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29-03-2020, 12:15 PM | #4 | |||
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I was going to raise this yesterday but forgot, Sweden has a similar infection rate to the Netherlands but the death rate is much much lower.. I wonder how?
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29-03-2020, 12:16 PM | #5 | |||
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29-03-2020, 12:19 PM | #6 | |||
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29-03-2020, 12:20 PM | #7 | |||
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Yes Death Rate can go up fast 105 dead from Covid 19 in Sweden. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Last edited by arista; 29-03-2020 at 12:35 PM. |
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29-03-2020, 12:27 PM | #8 | |||
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Yes I guess but everyone has family even within households I'd have expected the figure to be greater. And the infection figure was similar, whereas if population density was a factor this figure would be lower too.
I'll see if I can find it.
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29-03-2020, 12:39 PM | #9 | |||
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Herd immunity ftw
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29-03-2020, 12:40 PM | #10 | |||
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Sorry it was Switzerland! They have a really high infection rate one of the highest, and yet as of the 27th only 231 deaths.
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29-03-2020, 01:02 PM | #11 | ||
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For some actual figures; Switzerland has a GDPPC of over 80,000 USD. For comparison, the UK's is around 40k, Germany 45k and those are high for Europe. Italy's is 32k and Spain is 28k. In other words, the average person in Switzerland is nearly 3x richer than the average person in Spain. And that affects basically everything. Lifestyle, healthcare, diet, smoking rates (poorer people smoke more and eat cheap) ... Death percentages will roughly correlate with population wealth everywhere, that's why developing nations are going to be hit very, very hard when it reaches them. Places in Africa most of South America will see big death rates. Tl;dr it's because of money. But isn't everything, always? [edit] Just figure checking and Switzerland is has the second highest GDP in the world by a considerable margin after only Luxembourg which barely counts because its so tiny. Per person it's essentially the wealthiest country in the world. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 29-03-2020 at 01:07 PM. |
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29-03-2020, 01:06 PM | #12 | |||
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Switzerland has a population of 8 million though. So 231 is a higher proportion than some other countries.
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29-03-2020, 01:08 PM | #13 | ||
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29-03-2020, 01:18 PM | #14 | |||
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There's a question mark over how many cases there actually are though?
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29-03-2020, 01:18 PM | #15 | |||
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I don't know what I'm talking about here.
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29-03-2020, 01:19 PM | #16 | ||
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29-03-2020, 01:25 PM | #17 | |||
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According to the info Arista has posted on the other thread Switzerland has over 14,300 confirmed cases.
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29-03-2020, 02:18 PM | #18 | ||
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It does mean that, like SK, they're worth keeping an eye on to get a more accurate case-fatality rate since the total infected numbers for most countries are now wildly inaccurate. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 29-03-2020 at 02:18 PM. |
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29-03-2020, 02:23 PM | #19 | |||
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So basically they are testing sooner and treating before people get so ill they die.
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29-03-2020, 02:27 PM | #20 | ||
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I'd actually say a reasonable assumption would be that Switzerland has over 50k and UK has several hundred thousand. |
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29-03-2020, 02:44 PM | #21 | |||
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Are you saying they are on the same trajectory as us, or that all countries infection rates are a best guess?
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29-03-2020, 08:47 PM | #22 | |||
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Another European country with a slightly different approach:
In Belarus, authoritarian leader President Alexander Lukashenko has famously scoffed at the coronavirus as a “frenzy and psychosis.” His views also come with advice for citizens who don’t share his coronavirus scorn: Hit the sauna, down some vodka and get back to work. As surrounding countries have closed borders, shut down passenger transportation, banned mass events and effectively moved indoors, Belarus remains open, and Lukashenko stays defiant. The country of 9.5 million — between Ukraine, Poland, Russia, Lithuania and Latvia — has reported 94 cases of coronavirus. Still, Belarus’s soccer league plays on, the only one in Europe still on the field. Theaters are promoting premieres. Markets, shops, bars, restaurants and churches remain open, in the absence of any government order to the contrary. The air force is conducting field exercises. A Christian Orthodox fair and exhibition, Easter Joy, will be held April 1-12 in the capital, Minsk, with events for families and children. “This psychosis has crippled national economies almost everywhere in the world,” Lukashenko said Friday, visiting Belgips Plant, a plasterboard manufacturer. It is a theme he has pounded relentlessly in recent weeks, convinced that the unprecedented measures against the pandemic are designed to benefit some and harm others. On March 19, he slammed the border closures by Belarus’s five neighbors as useless and “absolute and utter stupidity.” Full article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b51_story.html |
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29-03-2020, 08:51 PM | #23 | |||
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29-03-2020, 09:32 PM | #24 | ||
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It can't be denied that there's a social element to this. I'm not saying it would be a good idea, it would be a horror show, but I strongly suspect that in this exact situation 50+ years ago countries like the UK would have taken the mortality hit and kept the economy open. Public would have gotten vague updates every week or so. Part of the reason governments are responding the way they are is that they're being watched by the whole world minute to minute.
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29-03-2020, 09:45 PM | #25 | |||
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