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Originally Posted by Cherie

I think 3 years at university is off putting for many wanting to get into nursing, it’s a job that requires common sense and empathy plus a flair an desire to look after people which no amount of lectures can teach, my sister was a Theatre nurse, she qualified before the current need for a degree of course she still has to study, and she also studied throughout her career, so not going to uni doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be well educated. Pay does need to be addressed, I think NHS conditions are pretty good ie. holidays, pension, sick pay, support

There is plentiful, significant, peer reviewed academic evidence that proves that a higher number of degree-educated nurses results in better health outcomes, including reduced mortality rates, across all areas of medicine. The research has been done, the numbers have been crunched... You not thinking its necessary really means absolutely nothing Cherie .

And when I talk about conditions I'm not talking about sick pay and holiday allowance - those are always decent in public sector employment.

I'm talking about how front line staff are viewed by management (and politicians), the toxic culture of professional bullying and mistreatment, the threats made against potential whistleblowers, the general disregard for the professional qualifications of the workforce...

But it seems like we can't even make it through one TiBB thread DURING the pandemic without flat denials that there's mistreatment of the workforce, so to answer the question of, "do we expect that things will be better post-Covid?"....... Lol, no. Everyone will go right back to ignoring the elephant.