[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Isn’t it funny, hysterical right wingers don’t want British atrocities taught in schools, or mentioned on kids shows like horrible histories because we should respect Britain and never say we did anything bad, yet a statue of a notorious slave trader gets torn down and suddenly they’re all for historic things being in the public eye, aren’t we as a country exhausted yet of finding ways to celebrate or white wash our horrible connections with racism? Like come on, everyone knows it happened, why are white people so insecure that they feel like we can’t talk about it and can’t admit this country was a massive part of the world wide problem, it’s like it’s been brushed under the carpet and people expect it to just be forgotten, we need to educate people to make them understand why people feel so strongly about this.

History has more interesting things like Vikings, Normans, Romans, Tudors, Stuarts, Oliver Cromwell, and a couple of world wars. There's no real need to carp on about why Brits should hate themselves

Originally Posted by arista

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

I'm more worried about other things he's allegedly done than try to spend phoney money without knowing about it. He was an awful person who doesn't deserve to be the figurehead of all this, but it's not up to a random cop to decide whether he lives or dies.

[Kazanne]

This is the way to do it he didnt change everything but he changed a lot, great respect for this man.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

History has more interesting things like Vikings, Normans, Romans, Tudors, Stuarts, Oliver Cromwell, and a couple of world wars. There's no real need to carp on about why Brits should hate themselves

This is why we need to educate our future generations on these matters

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is the way to do it he didnt change everything but he changed a lot, great respect for this man.

And he was still assassinated by a white supremacist

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

This is why we need to educate our future generations

Nah. That kind of thing just isn't interesting.

Well maybe save it for PSHE and leave the good bits for History class

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And he was still assassinated by a white supremacist

We know,but he did change things somewhat ,not sure this protest will have the same outcome now.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nah. That kind of thing just isn't interesting.

Well maybe save it for PSHE and leave the good bits for History class

Why is it not interesting? We learn about the American slave trade and their civil war, why shouldn’t we learn about our involvement?

Teaching generations of kids a skewed version of our history is so harmful, they end up being ignorant and think British racism isn’t a far felt thing

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why is it not interesting? We learn about the American slave trade and their civil war, why shouldn’t we learn about our involvement?

Teaching generations of kids a skewed version of our history is so harmful, they end up being ignorant and think British racism isn’t a far felt thing

The slave trade was a larger part of American history, and played a central role in their civil war. While some Brits did have slaves, it wasn't as much of "a thing" in Britain and wasn't tied into our history, i.e. in the same way it was involved in their war. You can't teach about the American Civil War without bringing slavery into it.

But it wasn't an integral part of our history, unless we're counting when virtually everyone in the British Isles were the slaves of the Romans

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The slave trade was a larger part of American history, and played a central role in their civil war. While some Brits did have slaves, it wasn't as much of "a thing" in Britain and wasn't tied into our history, i.e. in the same way it was involved in their war. You can't teach about the American Civil War without bringing slavery into it.

But it wasn't an integral part of our history, unless we're counting when virtually everyone in the British Isles were the slaves of the Romans

Right and as proven today, we can’t teach about the success of some major British cities without discussing the slave trade either, so why not teach about it?

If we want to move forward and have people understand the history of British racism and oppression, we can’t continue to hide away from out historic atrocities, teaching people that Churchill was nothing more than a hero, is intellectually incorrect and that’s just for starters, we shouldn’t be hiding our past.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Right and as proven today, we can’t teach about the success of some major British cities without discussing the slave trade either, so why not teach about it?

If we want to move forward and have people understand the history of British racism and oppression, we can’t continue to hide away from out historic atrocities, teaching people that Churchill was nothing more than a hero, is intellectually incorrect and that’s just for starters, we shouldn’t be hiding our past.

Churchill wasnt perfect (who is) but he is the reason people can do what they are doing by protesting today

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Right and as proven today, we can’t teach about the success of some major British cities without discussing the slave trade either, so why not teach about it?

If we want to move forward and have people understand the history of British racism and oppression, we can’t continue to hide away from out historic atrocities, teaching people that Churchill was nothing more than a hero, is intellectually incorrect and that’s just for starters, we shouldn’t be hiding our past.

Why do we need to teach the history of British racism and oppression? Like, maybe in PSHE lol, but there's so much more interesting history to teach. I get your point about British cities, but unless I slept through it there wasn't a lesson about the formation of Bristol

Slavery was just background noise, Britain today wouldn't be any different if they were paid servants doing the work. Whereas who knows what America would be like today if the Civil War hadn't happened.

It won't change anything going forward. I think everyone acknowledges Churchill had some views which are now a bit dodgy, but it's just churlish to define him by those views alone when he led the country to victory in WWII.

[Liam-]

Just because something isn’t interesting, doesn’t mean it’s not important to learn

And it’s not just about his personal views, his orders lead to the genocide of nearly 3 million Bengali Indians, he ordered the province to not be helped when they were facing famine, yes he got us through the war, but that doesn’t mean all his other actions should be forgotten about

[Kazanne]

Birmingham was a great example to the protesting from what I see and hear it was all done very peacefully so it can be done

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is the way to do it.

Yeah, English white lady, you tell them how to deal with things.

[Denver]

We as a country should be ashamed that we have statues of slave owners still up and glorified

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Churchill wasnt perfect (who is) but he is the reason people can do what they are doing by protesting today

It was more Stalin than Churchill.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Just because something isn’t interesting, doesn’t mean it’s not important to learn

Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back

You're asking what it would achieve to learn about the history of the human race on this planet?

Slavery... back? You say that as if slavery doesn't exist anymore. So that there is reason number 1 for you to educate yourself.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back

It was interesting watching you and Liam interact,no insults just opinions,made interesting reading

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back

Because it’s the history of our country, we shouldn’t just learn the good or ‘interesting’ bits, skewing history isn’t cute, it does a disservice

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Denver

We as a country should be ashamed that we have statues of slave owners still up and glorified

They are hardly glorified, they are there for historic purposes ...unless you think we should burn everything down that reminds us of past history

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Because it’s the history of our country, we shouldn’t just learn the good or ‘interesting’ bits, skewing history isn’t cute, it does a disservice

More reason that statues like the one that was brought down today should stay up, we cant sanitise the past....in the future things that are quite acceptable today will no longer be...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They are hardly glorified, they are there for historic purposes ...unless you think we should burn everything down that reminds us of past history

Statues of people are put up to celebrate them, that’s the whole point of statues

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

More reason that statues like the one that was brought down today should stay up, we cant sanitise the past....in the future things that are quite acceptable today will no longer be...

No, because if people were taught about all of these things in school, there wouldn’t be a need to keep statues erected that were made to celebrate these people, statues aren’t educational, they’re commemorative

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

More reason that statues like the one that was brought down today should stay up, we cant sanitise the past....in the future things that are quite acceptable today will no longer be...

I do feel there is a difference between knowing and teaching our history, and maintaining monuments to it.

No one puts up a statue of Hitler in Trafalgar square to remind us simultaneously of our darkest days, and our greatest triumph.