[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

it's also largely none of my business because women's healthcare is the business of women, not me.

I don't know if I agree with that if you're being supportive of women's rights. "Women's rights are none of my business because I'm a man" is sort of akin to saying "BLM is none of my business because I'm not black". Most of the policy makers are blokes, and half of the female ones are infused with patriarchal values... us fellers who are supportive of the right to choose shouldn't side-step the issue as none of our business, because the men who are AGAINST abortion sure as **** aren't going to .

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know if I agree with that if you're being supportive of women's rights. "Women's rights are none of my business because I'm a man" is sort of akin to saying "BLM is none of my business because I'm not black". Most of the policy makers are blokes, and half of the female ones are infused with patriarchal values... us fellers who are supportive of the right to choose shouldn't side-step the issue as none of our business, because the men who are AGAINST abortion sure as **** aren't going to .

It's not really the same though is it? Womens healthcare and a women's right to choose exist, and should be between her and her doctor, so unless that right is threatened, then it's factually none of my business. If that right was taken away, or threatened, then it becomes all of our business in the same way that BLM is about people not having the same rights or being treated equally.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not really the same though is it? Womens healthcare and a women's right to choose exist, and should be between her and her doctor, so unless that right is threatened, then it's factually none of my business. If that right was taken away, or threatened, then it becomes all of our business in the same way that BLM is about people not having the same rights or being treated equally.

And I truly believe that if it was men who had babies it would be an issue between them and their Doctor automatically

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And I truly believe that if it was men who had babies it would be an issue between them and their Doctor automatically

Absolutely no doubt about it, maybe if your lot had not gone scrumping in the garden of eden things would have been different

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely no doubt about it, maybe if your lot had not gone scrumping in the garden of eden things would have been different

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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And I truly believe that if it was men who had babies it would be an issue between them and their Doctor automatically

I think I said it earlier in the thread but if men gave birth, the whole pro-life vs pro-choice debate wouldn't exist.

Abortion would be seen differently if it was men that bore the children.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think I said it earlier in the thread but if men gave birth, the whole pro-life vs pro-choice debate wouldn't exist.

Abortion would be seen differently if it was men that bore the children.

Absolutely agree

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think I said it earlier in the thread but if men gave birth, the whole pro-life vs pro-choice debate wouldn't exist.

Abortion would be seen differently if it was men that bore the children.

Odd thing to say this dezzy, the vessel isn't the issue is it?
Effectively who has the child has no baring on the opinion as to what is right or wrong for the foetus imo.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Odd thing to say this dezzy, the vessel isn't the issue is it?
Effectively who has the child has no baring on the opinion as to what is right or wrong for the foetus imo.

The point is that the pro-life movement is less about being pro-life and more about controlling women's rights to choose. Pro-lifers stop caring after a baby is born, they don't care if the parents are ill equipped to be parents or if the baby is raised in homes and is discarded by the system.

If men were the ones who gave birth, the whole pro-life/pro-choice debate would look entirely different (IE, it would be non-existent).

It has no bearing on the discussion of when life begins, but it has bearing on the pro-life/choice discussion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The point is that the pro-life movement is less about being pro-life and more about controlling women's rights to choose. Pro-lifers stop caring after a baby is born, they don't care if the parents are ill equipped to be parents or if the baby is raised in homes and is discarded by the system.

If men were the ones who gave birth, the whole pro-life/pro-choice debate would look entirely different (IE, it would be non-existent).

It has no bearing on the discussion of when life begins, but it has bearing on the pro-life/choice discussion.

If pro lifers were all men I'd agree but they aren't, however I agree with you in principle if you are pro life you need to be pro child too and ensure all kids are well cared for once here.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know if I agree with that if you're being supportive of women's rights. "Women's rights are none of my business because I'm a man" is sort of akin to saying "BLM is none of my business because I'm not black". Most of the policy makers are blokes, and half of the female ones are infused with patriarchal values... us fellers who are supportive of the right to choose shouldn't side-step the issue as none of our business, because the men who are AGAINST abortion sure as **** aren't going to .

That's a point

I also understand where Slim's opinion comes from (in an ideal world)