[Ammi]

...I think that’s the whole crux of it, Sheriff...’use force that represents the level of threat or hostility’...that’s been the vein of the thread thought processes throughout, as opposed to ‘defend criminal..!!!’...as the IOPC state, the force used in this arrest is of particular concern to them, as it should also be to the general public who they need above anything else, to have trust in them...because without that, law wouldn’t be able to be upheld at all on any level...

[bots]

i think if the restraining method concerns the police chief then it's certainly a problem

[Oliver_W]

That's not what we meant by #TakeTheKnee :O

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How is that the main point when the point is that the police officer completely disregarded his training (or wasn't trained properly to begin with)?

The man was being arrested for his crime including carrying this weapon, that's not really up for debate.

The debate is whether the police officer used appropriate measures to bring the man under control. He didn't, therefore he's been suspended.

The police are not infallible.

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Only the police that don’t follow the correct procedures.

Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.

Originally Posted by Cherie

But but he didn’t use it...so it’s fine ..let him carry on

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why does everyone that defends police brutality try to overwrite reality with fantasy? He didn't kill anyone and emotional manipulation won't change the facts.

You literally did the exact same thing

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’ve been arrested many times and by armed police with dogs, I’ve also seen many arrests first hand.

Wow you must be really scary and impressive

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.


Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.





You literally did the exact same thing

exactly that, the man was a threat and needed to be taken down with any force necessary

also i rewatched the video and agreed, there was not much pressure on his neck, unlike with George Floyd

in fact i think they handled this correctly and they made sure he was no longer a threat to anyone and arrested him, but really predictable in current times for police to get the blame, to be seen as the bad guy while in this situation they weren't

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

exactly that, the man was a threat and needed to be taken down with any force necessary

also i rewatched the video and agreed, there was not much pressure on his neck, unlike with George Floyd

in fact i think they handled this correctly and they made sure he was no longer a threat to anyone and arrested him, but really predictable in current times for police to get the blame, to be seen as the bad guy while in this situation they weren't

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.


Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.





You literally did the exact same thing

Great post...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wow you must be really scary and impressive

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers

Yup, dangerous thugs with knives should be allowed to roam the streets unchecked, so resisting arrest is completely fine! Evil coppers!!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

He is a criminal he got taken to the ground for a reason.

I’ve been arrested many times and by armed police with dogs, I’ve also seen many arrests first hand.

Its simple, don’t fight the police and they won’t use force that represents the level of threat or hostility they face.

If you never tryed to restrain someone who’s intentions are to get away at any cost then you don’t have the experience to fully understand why they don’t what the do.

How forceful were you with police that an armed response was equal to the level of threat?

It's a long road, when you're on your own...

[Ammi]

...it would be nice to clarify one last time that not one single forum member has in any way exonerated anyone from anything...the focus of the debate is the exact same focus as the IOPC have in looking at the force that was used and whether it was appropriate...the Deputy Police Commissioner found it ‘extremely disturbing’ enough to make a suspension and begin an inquiry...and that was after having examined all bodycam footage closely...that is not exoneration, that is proper and appropriate policing which is something to be proud of, that we have that...that no one is above the law and everyone has accountability...

[The Slim Reaper]

Sheriff when the cops tell him the road he wants to drive down is closed.

[Ammi]

....pffffft at needing a weapon...was it Lisa from Big Brother who said she could kill someone with two fingers...

[Oliver_W]

Is a knee resting on the neck part of police training at all? I can't imagine it is, apart from very drastic circumstances, but when it happens at least twice in a fairly short amount of time ...

If it is, police should be taught better restraining methods, and it's obviously right that this bobby was put on suspension.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is a knee resting on the neck part of police training at all? I can't imagine it is, apart from very drastic circumstances, but when it happens at least twice in a fairly short amount of time ...

If it is, police should be taught better restraining methods, and it's obviously right that this bobby was put on suspension.

...exactly, the aim of the police and of the public is for the best force they can be and that can only happen when any issues are identified and addressed in the way that is happening here...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it would be nice to clarify one last time that not one single forum member has in any way exonerated anyone from anything...the focus of the debate is the exact same focus as the IOPC have in looking at the force that was used and whether it was appropriate...the Deputy Police Commissioner found it ‘extremely disturbing’ enough to make a suspension and begin an inquiry...and that was after having examined all bodycam footage closely...that is not exoneration, that is proper and appropriate policing which is something to be proud of, that we have that...that no one is above the law and everyone has accountability...

Not one person has exonerated the guy arrested for anything.
Exactly right.

There's been what ifs, as to had he'd used the knife despite him not doing so.
It is a crime anyway to just be carrying a knife.

What if too.
Had the police ended up killing him on arrest as with George Floyd.

In accusing others of exonerating the criminal with the knife,is that indicating had a George Floyd happened.
That would have been within our law and justice.
Therefore acceptable.

Because it certainly would not be.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by caprimint

You literally did the exact same thing

Except I didn't, I already said that I mentioned that officers are not allowed to hit someone in the head or neck with a baton for context as to why leaning on someone's neck or head is considered off-limits. This is what's called context for my argument and if you think that's the same as 'well, he could have murdered multiple people so an officer breaking protocol is perfectly okay because of that situation that didn't happen' then you need to improve your reading skills.

Ignoring that I've already proven your point to be a **** one doesn't make it any less ****.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They haven’t just grabbed some innocent guy and threw him on the the ground.

Actions create reactions.

Stop defending criminals.

Spend less time trying to be an 'ard man online and more time improving your reading capabilities because you're responding to something I haven't said.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers

nooooooooo lmao

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it would be nice to clarify one last time that not one single forum member has in any way exonerated anyone from anything...the focus of the debate is the exact same focus as the IOPC have in looking at the force that was used and whether it was appropriate...the Deputy Police Commissioner found it ‘extremely disturbing’ enough to make a suspension and begin an inquiry...and that was after having examined all bodycam footage closely...that is not exoneration, that is proper and appropriate policing which is something to be proud of, that we have that...that no one is above the law and everyone has accountability...

Tbh Ammi I'm pretty sure that the majority of us saying this are aware that police could be better trained/use more appropriate ways of dealing with situations, but I think we would also prefer police using ways like this to deal with criminals whether they have done anything or not at that moment in time, because that is absolutely irrelevant and besides the point. Nobody carries a knife "for the fun of it".

There was recently a stabbing just a few roads down from where I used to live... and all I'm saying is that if the police caught that man and stopped him IN ANY WAY I would have been happy about it. I honestly don't care if the "action didn't look appropriate" if they had stopped a crime from happening or, an innocent man from getting stabbed and killed...

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except I didn't, I already said that I mentioned that officers are not allowed to hit someone in the head or neck with a baton for context as to why leaning on someone's neck or head is considered off-limits. This is what's called context for my argument and if you think that's the same as 'well, he could have murdered multiple people so an officer breaking protocol is perfectly okay because of that situation that didn't happen' then you need to improve your reading skills.

Ignoring that I've already proven your point to be a **** one doesn't make it any less ****.

Lmao tbh Dezzy I just highlighted the fact before that you said you were "against hypotheticals". I don't even disagree, but I really don't think it's THAT insane to imagine that somebody carrying a knife, in the streets of London, could stab someone? It literally happens on a daily basis unfortunately and this man could have/would have most likely added to that and it's so important he was stopped before it was too late and he actually harmed/killed someone.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Tbh Ammi I'm pretty sure that the majority of us saying this are aware that police could be better trained/use more appropriate ways of dealing with situations, but I think we would also prefer police using ways like this to deal with criminals whether they have done anything or not at that moment in time, because that is absolutely irrelevant and besides the point. Nobody carries a knife "for the fun of it".

There was recently a stabbing just a few roads down from where I used to live... and all I'm saying is that if the police caught that man and stopped him IN ANY WAY I would have been happy about it. I honestly don't care if the "action didn't look appropriate" if they had stopped a crime from happening or, an innocent man from getting stabbed and killed...

Then why constantly mischaracterize the discussion?

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Then why constantly mischaracterize the discussion?

Why, because you wanted to make a thread to give people more chance to trash the police?

You tried to create the discussion you wanted to happen, but it's good that people have seen past that and are discussing the events that happened to cause your thread to even be relevant.