[Denver]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

western countries have failed, we have failed big time compared to countries like Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Vietnam

Those countries are easier to lokcdoen because they don't have borders so they can totally limit the risks

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Denver

Those countries are easier to lokcdoen because they don't have borders so they can totally limit the risks

We're on an island

[Cherie]

By Autumn thing will start to look normal and when they stop with the hysterical headlines and publishing death numbers, people will start to forget

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Denver

I believe this is gonna make the world a better place in the end

Certainly possible... for example a tonne of scientific advancements (for better or worse) came out of WW2, plus a massive sociological catharsis that Europe was painfully in need of.

At the very least, a global pandemic of some description has been on the cards for decades, it was always going to happen at some point, and this one has no doubt seen HUGE advances in virology and epidemiology that will be a massive advantage in future.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

By Autumn thing will start to look normal and when they stop with the hysterical headlines and publishing death numbers, people will start to forget

you must never forget about this

otherwise you'll go back to life before this, with the dangerous socializing

we need to go to the ''new normal'' and everyone needs to be more hygienic

we need to take down China's wet markets for good their government should nothing to say about that, wet markets should be made illegal and those who do run it, face jail time

[Denver]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We're on an island

Which we have one of the highest tourist numbers aswell as having to keep our borders open to the EU, we also rely on, Also South Korea has a culture to wear masks and Australia is a big spot of land so its spread out alot but in the UK we are literally on top of each other with no getting away

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

you must never forget about this

otherwise you'll go back to life before this, with the dangerous socializing

we need to go to the ''new normal'' and everyone needs to be more hygienic

we need to take down China's wet markets for good their government should nothing to say about that, wet markets should be made illegal and those who do run it, face jail time

Human nature Nicky ...we will forget in time

Nobody is taking on China, it’s the UK variant now

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Certainly possible... for example a tonne of scientific advancements (for better or worse) came out of WW2, plus a massive sociological catharsis that Europe was painfully in need of.

At the very least, a global pandemic of some description has been on the cards for decades, it was always going to happen at some point, and this one has no doubt seen HUGE advances in virology and epidemiology that will be a massive advantage in future.

Different times. WWII brought folks to the realisation that cruelty wasn't the right way. We're here on the back of a decade of trashed and diminished services through austerity, and this will be paid for by cuts and debt. There won't be any taxation hike to improve things.

Also, and most importantly, at the end of WW2 everyone was like "jeez, those Nazi's were bad," but we have a government today with the agenda of the 1970's NF, so we're nowhere near there yet.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We're on an island

Honestly it's a little bit different. It's so easy for Aus/NZ to just cut off any other countries but we have a lot more surrounding us here

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Honestly it's a little bit different. It's so easy for Aus/NZ to just cut off any other countries but we have a lot more surrounding us here

Proximity to others isn't a deciding factor when on an island, however, dependence on our former EU neighbors is.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Proximity to others isn't a deciding factor when on an island, however, dependence on our former EU neighbors is.

I mean the amount of other places around definitely contributes to it. I do agree that everywhere should have been cut off AND stayed off a long time ago, but obviously we were trying to get back to somewhere normal and not even considering a 3rd wave for a long time.

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by Denver

I believe this is gonna make the world a better place in the end

It's not.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Even in the USA they said it would be 20 million
but only 2.1 million have had it.

There is not enough made
for 2 Injections for everyone

Now we have 2 vaccines the chances of at least the elderly and vulnerable getting it is increasing.

Antibody testing needs to be ramped up too I think, it will be interesting to see if the levels of antibodies in the vaccinated are any higher or lover than those in those recovered from covid.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I mean the amount of other places around definitely contributes to it. I do agree that everywhere should have been cut off AND stayed off a long time ago, but obviously we were trying to get back to somewhere normal and not even considering a 3rd wave for a long time.

there will be a 3rd wave, a 4th wave, 5th wave, 6th wave


all bc of those anti masker idiots

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

there will be a 3rd wave, a 4th wave, 5th wave, 6th wave


all bc of those anti masker idiots

No Nicky. How does anybody on this earth think that masks have any effect whatsoever when more people have covid cases right now than ever?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

No Nicky. How does anybody on this earth think that masks have any effect whatsoever when more people have covid cases right now than ever?

Are you serious?

[Nicky91]

masks help, hand washing gel routine works perfectly, open your windows, fresh air is better than stinking airco

but the most important thing about this, that everyone also needs to do all of this, you don't have a choice, corona does not choose a side, it is a danger to us all

but getting the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated will be good to drive death numbers down (closer to zero a day)

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Are you serious?

I mean... are you not?

How do masks stop the spread when there are more cases than ever?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I mean... are you not?

How do masks stop the spread when there are more cases than ever?

How do condoms stop pregnancy when we have more people on earth than ever?

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

masks help, hand washing gel routine works perfectly, open your windows, fresh air is better than stinking airco

but the most important thing about this, that everyone also needs to do all of this, you don't have a choice, corona does not choose a side, it is a danger to us all

but getting the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated will be good to drive death numbers down (closer to zero a day)

Everybody who is not vulnerable should get coronavirus to achieve herd immunity, or at least a very good form of it for months+++.

Masks and washing hands don't help. Some girl got covid from putting her hand in a random jacket pocket. People have died from getting spat on.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How do condoms stop pregnancy when we have more people on earth than ever?

They break clearly a lot more than you're aware of people thinking they're safe when they're not, which is actually very applicable to covid too.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How do condoms stop pregnancy when we have more people on earth than ever?

Oh and again as always, you're trying to deflect the point I made which is irrelevant but also obviously irrelevant anyway

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Everybody who is not vulnerable should get coronavirus to achieve herd immunity, or at least a very good form of it for months+++.

Masks and washing hands don't help. Some girl got covid from putting her hand in a random jacket pocket. People have died from getting spat on.

This is madness. Herd immunity is the first thing this government tried causing the NHS to be overwhelmed and the deaths to rise. Sweden tried herd immunity and are suffering from it today, far worse than any of their neighbours. I can't believe we're 9 months in, and this is what you believe.

Crazy stuff.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Oh and again as always, you're trying to deflect the point I made which is irrelevant but also obviously irrelevant anyway

I'm not trying to deflect anything. I was honestly gobsmacked that's what you believe in spite of all the advice and science.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not trying to deflect anything. I was honestly gobsmacked that's what you believe in spite of all the advice and science.

So you just listen to science without looking at the numbers? Gotcha...